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Is Pizzagate an actual "thing" or is it limited to ATS & a few other sites

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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 12:53 PM
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originally posted by: CrazyK22
How much you wanna bet the "shooter" claims he searched the building found no evidence gives an apology and again blames fake news for his actions?


How much do you want to bet that the CT crowd will perform amazing mental contortions no matter what the "shooter" says?




posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 01:00 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

Doesn't take amazing mental contortions to see the multiple motives that could be behind this shooting.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 01:00 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

Wait. If you're not "CT crowd" then... why are you here?



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 01:00 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

The third edited link I added shows funding going directly to Alefantis as well. Why would funding for the democrat's parties need to go to a pizza place? Why is Alenfantis considered the 50th powerful guy in DC? Why is he getting money too?

Here' some more moolah for CPP
docquery.fec.gov...
docquery.fec.gov...

Why is Soros funneling money through a democrat donor to a pizza place? You said there was no link to Soros and now you're saying so what.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 01:01 PM
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a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Considering I know people that work for and have worked for the NCMEC I'm pretty confident in saying they're not "in on it." John Walsh was even out at my brewery this weekend because we brewed a batch of beer where all proceeds go to the NCMEC. Just heading him speak you can tell he's extremely passionate about all the work they do there.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
a reply to: HonestumMortem




We know it is happening, has been happening for decades and keeps getting exposed but this one is unbelievable for some reason, the people who uncovered this stumbled onto something BIG and poop is flying every where and the fan is clogged.


You know what I'm starting to think? This has been happening for centuries. I believe it's an ancient practice that has gone on hidden while civilization nurtured itself into the present time. It's the last remnants of the dark ages and it managed to worm it's way into the fabric of government.


I completely agree, for millennia perhaps too?

Many of these people are occultist and actually believe in the rituals they participate in and many of these rituals can be traced back to deities from thousands of years ago. From some of the research I've done it indicates that it gives them special powers and that they are above us in every way possible.

My comment was more along the lines of what we have uncovered over the last few decades, and how prevalent it has been during this time even though people denied it regardless it was out in the open.

I have no doubt that there is an occult element behind this...

Spirit Cooking anyone?



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 01:02 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

You are right CT's will always find a way to fit the narrative they want but someone really has to show you his Instagram response to bound half naked children art it may change your perspective no joke. That was one of the smoking guns for myself and I can't find it anywhere. Not only does he endorse it's horrific nature he claims his entire establishment has the same mindset. Imagine that interview *shown art of half naked bound children* does this excite you? No.... Sorry you're just not the type of employee we are looking for.
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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 01:02 PM
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originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Why aren't any of the civilian groups that deal with pedophilia going near this? The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children have put away thousands of pedophiles and they're not touching this with a ten foot pole.


Are you open to the possibility they are in on it?
Pedophiles generally gravitate to places that they will have easy and unquestioned access to children, teachers, priests, coaches and yes even goverment employees working for human services and state run orphanages.

Add to that the people they would need to be investigating, Former presidents and 1st ladies, actors, pizza shop owners who are somehow listed as among the most powerful people in politics and its not quite as easy as picking up a few kiddie fiddlers who use the net to try and groom naive children.

Does this really need to be spelled out for you?


Except, there are people in these organizations who have busted thousands of pedophiles collectively. And some of them are victims of abuse who would gladly hang on the cross to stop a child from being victimized.



Yes the vast majority of whom were low level pond scum who were part of easily traceable online pedophile file sharing services, the few times we get actually people attached to people smuggling ie the ones responsible for making the files these pedos share, there are massive issues and irregularities in the investigations, people "suicide" by shooting themselves twice in the head and evidence goes missing from supposedly secure police evidence lockers.

You are aware that the vast majority of pedophiles were themselves abused so a history of abuse is no indicator that someone is going to be trustworthy in combating it



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 01:03 PM
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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 01:04 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: TheFlyOnTheWall


eta: while I'm at it. Didn't the MSM claim Alfentis said he never even met Hillary?


Not so far as I know. Can you find an example?


If I dig but I'm 110% sure he claimed he doesn't even know her or have met her. He also claimed he didn't have a basement...years after an interview where he said he keeps his canned home made pizza sauce in his basement.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

This situation is so dangerous, it's surreal, even if there are no children at risk. What's most assuredly at risk is the American populace and their internet freedoms, which are both clearly being manipulated toward some end.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: HonestumMortem

Yeah, I believe they all belong to the O.T.O. Ordo Templi Orientis. It's Thelema, Alister Crowley stuff. If you go to their website you will see it's world wide. Go to their FB too. Then go read about them in Australia and the scandal that broke there.
Marina Abramovic is OTO.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 01:10 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Considering I know people that work for and have worked for the NCMEC I'm pretty confident in saying they're not "in on it." John Walsh was even out at my brewery this weekend because we brewed a batch of beer where all proceeds go to the NCMEC. Just heading him speak you can tell he's extremely passionate about all the work they do there.


Im not saying theyre all in on it and in fact Im sure they arent but having a few beers with a bloke and him being passionate about his job is hardly an indication that its all above board.

Can you really see him saying "well yeah, I love little boy #@!$"

It wouldnt be the 1st time someone in a position of power in an organisation set up to combat something was in fact up to their neck in what it is they were meant to be combating.

Most Psycho and Sociopaths are quite charismatic and believable which is how they manage to avoid suspicion and exposure



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff


You are aware that the vast majority of pedophiles were themselves abused so a history of abuse is no indicator that someone is going to be trustworthy in combating it


Yes, of course I am aware of that. That's the reason I used the word "AND" in my previous post. There ARE plenty of people in these organizations who would take a bullet to save a child.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 01:14 PM
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originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Considering I know people that work for and have worked for the NCMEC I'm pretty confident in saying they're not "in on it." John Walsh was even out at my brewery this weekend because we brewed a batch of beer where all proceeds go to the NCMEC. Just heading him speak you can tell he's extremely passionate about all the work they do there.


Im not saying theyre all in on it and in fact Im sure they arent but having a few beers with a bloke and him being passionate about his job is hardly an indication that its all above board.

Can you really see him saying "well yeah, I love little boy #@!$"

It wouldnt be the 1st time someone in a position of power in an organisation set up to combat something was in fact up to their neck in what it is they were meant to be combating.

Most Psycho and Sociopaths are quite charismatic and believable which is how they manage to avoid suspicion and exposure


Are you seriously implicating John Walsh, whose child was abucted and murdered by a deranged pervert, and who has dedicated his life to putting scum behind bars?



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: JetBlackStare
a reply to: MotherMayEye

This situation is so dangerous, it's surreal, even if there are no children at risk. What's most assuredly at risk is the American populace and their internet freedoms, which are both clearly being manipulated toward some end.


Well, on this I agree with you. Not necessarily about the manipulation part (although I acknowledge it's always possible), but moreso that if people can't differentiate fact from fiction, our liberties are in jeopardy.. In the end, we'll be responsible for stealing our own rights.

We'll look back and say, "I remember when we used to have true freedom of the press and freedom of speech, but people were stupid and pissed it away."
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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 01:19 PM
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a reply to: TheFlyOnTheWall


The third edited link I added shows funding going directly to Alefantis as well. Why would funding for the democrat's parties need to go to a pizza place? Why is Alenfantis considered the 50th powerful guy in DC? Why is he getting money too?

Here' some more moolah for CPP
docquery.fec.gov...
docquery.fec.gov...

Why is Soros funneling money through a democrat donor to a pizza place? You said there was no link to Soros and now you're saying so what.


I said there was no link in the Podesta emails, which I consider to be the primary source for this "story." Alefantis appears to be a "bundler:"


Bundling
One consequence of the limitation upon personal contributions from any one individual is that campaigns seek out "bundlers"—people who can gather contributions from many individuals in an organization or community and present the sum to the campaign. Campaigns often recognize these bundlers with honorary titles and, in some cases, exclusive events featuring the candidate.

Although bundling existed in various forms since the enactment of the FECA, bundling became organized in a more structured way in the 2000s, spearheaded by the "Bush Pioneers" for George W. Bush's 2000 and 2004 presidential campaigns. During the 2008 campaign the six leading primary candidates (three Democratic, three Republican) had listed a total of nearly two thousand bundlers.


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 01:21 PM
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a reply to: TheFlyOnTheWall


Marina Abramovic is OTO.


And your proof?



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: CrazyK22
a reply to: ColdWisdom

I'm backing TheFlyOnTheWall 100% it's becoming evidently clear those that bash the #pizzagate community have done next to nothing to investigate it themselves, and are basing their assumptions on MSM.


Wrong. I am ignoring what people are saying that cannot be substantiated and trying to get to first hand sources. There are no Podesta emails linking Comet Ping Pong and Soros. None. There are many mentions of "pizza," usually in a context that makes it clear they are talking about actual pizza. There are some code words and jokes thrown around. A "lollipop," for example, is clearly from the context a text message containing a new talking point to be brought up. (Search the emails. I have.)

As for the "damning" video. You have a drunk and probably stoned gay musician rambling on about "boys." So what? He calls all young men "boys." There is ambiguity surrounding when the bands played there. Heavy Breathing may have played both family and adults only sets.


This. (Edit: but there are connections between Soros and Comet, though he probably knew nothing about it since he has people working for him that deal with these kinds of political fund raising transactions.)

While I believe there is some fire due to the smoke, I still have serious doubts as to the participance of Besta, Comet or any of the other businesses in that area. This is due mostly to the lack of one single email that specifically talks about child porn or other nefarious activities occurring there. So far everything has been circumstantial, and A LOT of baseless conclusions have been drawn. Now of course pedo's don't usually come right out and say it, but I would expect a little more evidence than has been presented; a witness, an email, a photo, a video...something. But so far...nothing more than some alleged codes, strange Instagram photos and terrible taste in art.

That being said, child porn seems rampant in the US political system, and apparently has been for years. That is an irrefutable fact. Could this be part of that? Not sure. But the silence from the MSM to look into this story, even surficially, is deafening. And no, a NY Times article refuting everything w/o a trace of investigation doesn't count.
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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 01:24 PM
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a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

John Walsh started the NCMEC after his son was abducted and brutally murdered by Ottis Toole. He wanted to make sure no parent had to go through what he did. Between his work with the NCMEC and America's Most Wanted he has personally helped put away thousands of pedophiles and violent criminals. But because the NCMEC doesn't feel there is enough evidence to pursue an investigation into Pizzagate you're going to imply he's a pedophile? Wow. That's all I can say.
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