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Is Pizzagate an actual "thing" or is it limited to ATS & a few other sites

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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 06:29 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye


The info within the document is sourced and cited at the end. You can follow those links to the awful websites and view the use of the symbols there.


Since when is WikiPedia an "awful website?" There are only two non-WikiPedia links in the alleged FBI document. Since when does the FBI rely on WikiPedia for intelligence? The one active non-WikiPedia link shows the triangular symbol but no pornography. It almost makes me wonder if that website was created by the same person who forged the FBI document....




posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 06:35 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

If they did, it's been active for nine years.

The Slate even ran an article based on the document: Link

It's odd the FBI has never denounced this "forged document" in nine years.

I am satisfied the document is correct, but if you aren't...JUST CALL THE FBI AND ASK THEM ABOUT IT.

Geezus Pete.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 07:01 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

The number does not belong to the FBI and I couldn't find anything that shows that it belonged to them in 2007.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 07:06 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: MotherMayEye

The number does not belong to the FBI and I couldn't find anything that shows that it belonged to them in 2007.



Then contact them and ask them if the document is real. Here is their contact page: Link

This isn't rocket science here.

I have called and written open records requests when I have doubted information. You can do it, too.

Suck up your pride -- or whatever -- and just do it.

I have a hard time believing that nine years ago, someone forged this document to fool people.

Just. Call. Them.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 07:10 PM
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Well, after looking at the Slate article, it's clear that if it's fake, it's been circulating as fake long before anyone ever conceived of Pizza-Gate.

So I'm going with REAL. I doubt the FBI would corroborate the document, since it was listed as being sensitive for Law Enforcement.

I can't say with 100% certainty that it's real, but to me, it's one of the less questionable pieces of evidence.

That in and of itself isn't saying much, given all the outright hoax material floating around. But I'm willing to give this one the benefit of the doubt.
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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 07:11 PM
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originally posted by: Greggers
Well, after looking at the Slate article, it's clear that if it's fake, it's been circulating as fake long before anyone ever conceived of Pizza-Gate.

So I'm going with REAL. I doubt the FBI would corroborate the document, since it was listed as being sensitive for Law Enforcement.

I can't say with 100% certainty that it's real, but to me, it's one of the less questionable pieces of evidence.


That's pretty much how I feel.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 07:14 PM
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The problem is : was that symbol deliberately chosen for that reason. Ive seen a MOUND of loose and maybe circumstantial evidence that kinda sorta points there, but are we ( me, you, and all of you) sure of it?
I do soooo much better with a whiteboard and a coupla markers when making connections... darn internet!
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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 07:26 PM
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originally posted by: Advantage
The problem is : was that symbol deliberately chosen for that reason. Ive seen a MOUND of loose and maybe circumstantial evidence that kinda sorta points there, but are we ( me, you, and all of you) sure of it?
I do soooo much better with a whiteboard and a coupla markers when making connections... darn internet!


To me, the question of whether Besta Pizza knowingly used a known pedophile symbol hinges on whether the Andrew Kline identified as owner is the same Andrew Kline who worked for the FBI. I've done my best to dig into this, and so far, to me, it looks like two different guys.

I simply have a hard time believing there is any legitimate reason for such a symbol on a brick and mortar store front. The FBI document revolves around transitory, anonymous displays via pendants, rings, and coins. Nowhere are store signage or business logos mentioned, and probably for very good reason -- they would attract a lot of attention from law enforcement if used that way, which kind of defeats the purpose.
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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 07:37 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

I don't live in the US so I was hoping someone who didn't have to pay long distance would do it.

The FBI has neither confirmed or denied in all this time. Must be a policy thing.

I don't have a hard time believing someone would fake something like that:

I need a fake FBI warning!?



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 07:42 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I don't live in the US so I was hoping someone who didn't have to pay long distance would do it.



Yeah, yeah, yeah. I sucked it up and for six years I ran a blog where I made phone calls and wrote open records requests and even paid money to have documents and information copied and sent to me.

Nothing about this document rings as false to me. It's been 'out there' for 9+ years. I really don't see any good reason to question the source as the FBI. If you do, please..just do the research YOU need to feel satisfied.

Even if I did call them and they confirmed, you wouldn't believe me anyway...and I can say that from experience. (Not that I would blame you, you don't know me.)

Just call or email and satisfy yourself on this.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 07:48 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

If you say so, I don't care that much.

I'm fine with it being real.

Besta didn't really have anything weird except for the logo.

Comet had all the weirdness and nothing in their logo.

Dojo pizza had neither the weirdness or a symbol in their logo, even had an ex-pastor and that ended in an arrest.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
The FBI has neither confirmed or denied in all this time. Must be a policy thing.


Once a document has been made public, it cannot be made 'unpublic.' A bell cannot be 'unrung.'

So, if the document is genuine, it is disclosable under the FOIA. Send the FBI a FOIA request for it, by email. Just don't mention you are not in the U.S.

(ETA: By that, I mean governmental agencies do not have to respond to non-U.S. citizens who make FOIA requests, IIRC. It's not illegal to write such a request, but if you want a response, maybe not mention it if you aren't a U.S. citizen.)
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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 08:21 PM
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Obviously it can't be unpublished but I was talking about confirming or denying its authenticity.

I want to say that I find it odd that nobody has asked them about it, but not really because it seems to be the MO.

It could also be that they won't comment.

Like I said, it makes no difference to me if it is real or not. It was just something to look into.



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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 08:45 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

The document says it's 'Unclassified,' at the very top of page 1.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: Riffrafter

The podesta's where in portugal and about 1 third of a mile away from where Madelain mcann's where staying and also where that child got abducted. They were staying in the house of "clement frued" , grandson to sigmund frued.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 08:56 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

It's a document anyone could have made. I can make a pdf and place 'Unclassified' at the very top of page 1. That doesn't mean it's from the FBI and they unclassified it.

Still, I will say this a third time, it doesn't really make a difference to me either way.

I'm just pointing out that there is no confirmation for or against.
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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: MotherMayEye

It's a document anyone could have made. I can make a pdf and place 'Unclassified' at the very top of page 1. That doesn't mean it's from the FBI and they unclassified it.

Still, I will say this a third time, it doesn't really make a difference to me either way.

I'm just pointing out that there is no confirmation for or against.



You keep saying that and you continue questioning it, but you will not bother doing three minutes of work to confirm it with the FBI. If it's authentic, IT'S UNCLASSIFIED.

If you aren't going to bother verifying it, then I think the overwhelming amount of evidence shows it's credible. It's been around for 9 years. It's not like it's new to the internet in the last two months.

ETA: You added, "I'm just pointing out that there is no confirmation for or against."

BECAUSE YOU WON'T TAKE THREE MINUTES TO DO THAT.
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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye
You keep saying that and you continue questioning it,

I don't continue questioning it. I'm stating the fact that nobody else verified it either.


ETA: You added, "I'm just pointing out that there is no confirmation for or against."

BECAUSE YOU WON'T TAKE THREE MINUTES TO DO THAT.

I'm saying that nobody else has bothered to confirm it and I'm not going to because it makes no difference to me if it is real or not.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 09:12 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
...it makes no difference to me if it is real or not.


Your comments indicate otherwise.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 09:27 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye
Your comments indicate otherwise.

Which one's, the ones where I explicitly state it makes no difference to me?

It was just something else to look into to see if it would unravel. The reason I say it makes no difference is because I believe the besta logo was not designed with that purpose and that is all "they" did.

They are not accused of creepy art, a killroom, hotard, kids taped to a table and ties to the podestas or quinn. That is a different business and that business doesn't have any of those symbols in their logo.

People are conflating facts about different people.



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