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Is Pizzagate an actual "thing" or is it limited to ATS & a few other sites

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posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: WilliamtheResolute

Just stands to reason that anyone caught up in the hysteria of a satanic panic would think of it as a satanic panic. They would think it is legit.




posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: daskakik




No, not in logic.


It has everything to do with logic and math. You could calculate the odds of all the coincidences if you had the time.




As to the similarity, can you say which of the two examples came first? Do you know what the symbol means?

I know what it means as per the FBI description but there's no way knowing which came first. And the relevance of that is?





The small shape inside the similar large shape is an adult protecting a child and it was turned into an adult embracing a child (in a sexual way) or vice versa but I could see people taking something that already exists and making it "their own".


What angle are you trying here? Are you suggesting that the FBI symbol came first and this logo means protection as an antithesis to the true meaning? Talk about logical fallacies or desperation ... You can't be serious? Let me ask you, what purpose does the FBI bulletin serve when you won't acknowledge its veracity? I mean, the FBI holds no jurisprudence according to you.



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 10:57 PM
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originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
It has everything to do with logic and math. You could calculate the odds of all the coincidences if you had the time.

From what I understand, logic doesn't include math and odds, only reasoning.


I know what it means as per the FBI description but there's no way knowing which came first. And the relevance of that is?

It means that you can't automatically attach the secret meaning to it, if there was a time when it didn't have it.


What angle are you trying here? Are you suggesting that the FBI symbol came first and this logo means protection as an antithesis to the true meaning?

I'm saying that the symbol was used before the FBI found out that it was "also" being used as a pedo symbol.


Talk about logical fallacies or desperation ... You can't be serious?

Why would I be desperate? I have no stake in this other than to get my tinfoil cap workout.


Let me ask you, what purpose does the FBI bulletin serve when you won't acknowledge its veracity? I mean, the FBI holds no jurisprudence according to you.

I don't know where you got that from.



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posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 11:17 PM
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a reply to: talisman




I think people move to the explanation of Satanic Ritual Abuse, because, its hard to explain how so many screwed up individuals can work together on such things, especially when they are in positions of power, like as in being Police Officers and Government Officials and Judges etc and etc. How do they collude and find each other? Now, people blame the NET, what about before? It just seems like there is a missing piece to all of this and that missing piece gets "filled in" one way or the other.


It is by invite only obviously. Many aren't asked to commit crimes such as this (your Martha Stewart type) but they must stay silent for a lifetime most are your everyday Joe just being a spy for any average corporation or neighbor to collect dirt. , others agree with the depopulation agenda and do it just for fun. Clubs that in higher positions are tempted to attend (more than once), perhaps a few times to be bystanders. As long as they know that all is clear (aka their buddy didn't get arrested) they assume the coast is clean and attend to participate.

After that you are caught in a trap, whether you enjoy these beyond disgusting acts or not. It seems that ivy league school members attend and the old timer politicians we are now learning about go just for the fun of it (or just once was enough to get their lifetime votes or jail) They they absolutely hate the average person's ability to procreate THAT much. They consider one death insignificant and no likelyhood of 2 or more children being born.

As I also said on page38: "The whole idea is reality but makes me sick beyond belief. They seriously get a kick out of beating a system that they build to control us and protect them. That is the sick thrill. Barf."


more proof: Senator Nancy Schaefer MURDERED for Exposing CPS

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posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 11:50 PM
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a reply to: daskakik




From what I understand, logic doesn't include math and odds only reasoning.


And reasoning can be understood with math. Reasoning tells you, you will most likely not win the lottery. That's logically sound, why? Because the math says so. Same with coincidences. Theory of probability would be the method used to investigate coincidences and that involves math.




It means that you can't automatically attach the secret meaning to it, if there was a time when it didn't have it.


When was Elpida formed and how long have those pedo symbols been used? The FBI document is 2007 but that does't preclude usage of those symbols prior to that date. No one is automatically attaching meanings, they're attaching themselves.




I'm saying that the symbol was used before the FBI found out that it was "also" being used as a pedo symbol.


Now you're affirming the consequent which is another fallacy. You're answering your own conclusion by falsely assuming the FBI's information is newer than the logo. That information could be 10 years old at the time for all we know.




I don't know where you got that from.


My point was, the FBI hands you a document showing symbols associated with pedos and you don't seem to think when they're discovered, innocuous or not, any direct linkage back the FBI statement is relevant. So what's the point of the FBI's investigation then? And the bulletin? If you're not going to give it any credence?



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 12:18 AM
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originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
And reasoning can be understood with math.

But math is not always available to the task of reasoning.

I guess we can argue semantics but that won't really change anything.


When was Elpida formed and how long have those pedo symbols been used? The FBI document is 2007 but that does't preclude usage of those symbols prior to that date. No one is automatically attaching meanings, they're attaching themselves.

We don't know. That is what keeps us from gaining certainty.


Now you're affirming the consequent which is another fallacy. You're answering your own conclusion by falsely assuming the FBI's information is newer than the logo. That information could be 10 years old at the time for all we know.

Correct, we don't know. That is why I said that it could have been visa versa and originally posted in the form of a question.


My point was, the FBI hands you a document showing symbols associated with pedos and you don't seem to think when they're discovered, innocuous or not, any direct linkage back the FBI statement is relevant. So what's the point of the FBI's investigation then? And the bulletin? If you're not going to give it any credence?

I've already said we don't know, in regards to this case, twice.

Ultimately, my credence doesn't make a difference. I can however point out that they have not moved on the obvious "evidence uncovered" by this "investigation". Maybe they just don't talk about it.

They never handed me anything. They handed it to their agents. We can assume that the agents would have been able to recognize it in the Elpida logo and if they didn't act on it then it's because they didn't find a reason to do so, that wouldn't necessarily change because someone else noticed it now.


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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 12:19 AM
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originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
a reply to: daskakik




From what I understand, logic doesn't include math and odds only reasoning.


And reasoning can be understood with math. Reasoning tells you, you will most likely not win the lottery. That's logically sound, why? Because the math says so. Same with coincidences. Theory of probability would be the method used to investigate coincidences and that involves math.




It means that you can't automatically attach the secret meaning to it, if there was a time when it didn't have it.


When was Elpida formed and how long have those pedo symbols been used? The FBI document is 2007 but that does't preclude usage of those symbols prior to that date. No one is automatically attaching meanings, they're attaching themselves.




I'm saying that the symbol was used before the FBI found out that it was "also" being used as a pedo symbol.


Now you're affirming the consequent which is another fallacy. You're answering your own conclusion by falsely assuming the FBI's information is newer than the logo. That information could be 10 years old at the time for all we know.




I don't know where you got that from.


My point was, the FBI hands you a document showing symbols associated with pedos and you don't seem to think when they're discovered, innocuous or not, any direct linkage back the FBI statement is relevant. So what's the point of the FBI's investigation then? And the bulletin? If you're not going to give it any credence?


The purpose of the FBI document seems to have been centered on pedophiles who were identifying themselves to one another via transitory, anonymous methods attached to jewelry or other items: pendants, rings, coins.

There is no earthly reason to use a business logo in such a manner, nor does the FBI document mention business logos or store signage.

I've asked before for one example (anywhere, at any time) of a fixed store-front displaying such a logo that was subsequently busted for pedophilia related activities.

I'm guessing I shouldn't hold my breath.
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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 01:12 AM
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Seems that Elpida (or maybe, El Pedo) may have (had) links to the Clinton Foundation.

Their logo with the tent also looks vaguely like a pizza slice, not too dissimilar to the Besta Pizza logo.

Alright, so the spiral symbol is a form "meander art". I'll let you all use Google images for "meandros" to see what pops up. Or you can read this.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 03:25 AM
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Maths is a great tool for predicting anomalous events. That's what the insurance companies do. They realise how many car accidents should happen and fix the rates accordingly. Their in this case should be x number of missing children per capita, but when a statistic goes off the board as in this case. Then you know their is somethings very very strange going on.imgur.com... these are true figures explain them if you can.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 03:54 AM
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as threads keep poping up and getting shut down - i shall ask here :

what is an " haitian pizza with extra cheese "

its not a trick question

but it does cut to the core of the code words allegation

i have used google and cannot find any " haitian pizza " on menus from pizza joints

further " haitian pizza " - does not have any consistent recepie on google - all i get is recipies from chefs of haitian residency or decent

so what is " haitian pizza m extra cheese " ???????????????????????????



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 05:05 AM
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a reply to: ignorant_ape

Here is a recipe for a Haitian Pizza: Haitian Pizza recipe

" haitian pizza " - does not have any consistent recepie on google - all i get is recipies from chefs of haitian residency or decent"

Do you realise, that Pizzas are named after the region they came from, as the Pizza Napoli, Sicilia....
Others after ingredients, Tonno, Verdure, Formaggi (Tuna, Veggies, Cheese).

And every damn pizza place i have ever been to offers Pizza with 'extra cheese'.

And now i am hungry.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 05:56 AM
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Or may not be from the FBI at all is missing a lot of information that would normally be on an FBI release. I think someone sent it to WIKI with a claim it was an FBI release and it wasn't. Anything the FBI releases has a document number for one (record number) It will also tell you which bureau released it. Warnings the FBI sends out are called sirs aka situational information reports. And will also have a sir number that you can pull it up by. My search for this document anywhere all ways leads back to WIKI meaning its the only place it exists.


I wont say its positively fake but odds are very good it is.

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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 06:06 AM
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Exactly. The document claims to be for public release, yet it can only be found on WikiLeaks. Pretty much everything about "Pizzagate" evaporates if you step outside the hoax bubble. Where, for example, does "Haitian pizza" come from? No-one can find the actual email, and the hoaxers have removed their original posts on reddit so that it is impossible to trace.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 06:08 AM
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no - thatys not a recepie for " haitian pizza " - thats " fifis pizza - made by a young lady from haiti

see the difference

i shall spell this out

acorrding to pizza gate

" pizza " = a alledged code word for sex with a child

so what does " hiatian " mean - in this code

claiming that " haitian " means a kidnapped orphan from haiti - just blows the entire " code " out of the water

so what does " haitian " mean in the code

PS - back to " haitian pizza " - anyone find it listed on any pizza joint menu ?



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 06:11 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: dragonridr

Exactly. The document claims to be for public release, yet it can only be found on WikiLeaks. Pretty much everything about "Pizzagate" evaporates if you step outside the hoax bubble. Where, for example, does "Haitian pizza" come from? No-one can find the actual email, and the hoaxers have removed their original posts on reddit so that it is impossible to trace.



On this thread a poster is saying the Haitian pizza thing came from alefantis instagram account,

www.abovetopsecret.com...


They also link to this thread where they are discussing the hatian pizza comment..

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 06:13 AM
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acorrding to pizza gate " pizza " = a alledged code word for sex with a child


These codes are not alleged thay are real they have been about for years. Really very suprised people are questing the fact these are codes..



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 06:17 AM
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This says it all:


I saw it on YouTube never the actual document


www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 06:19 AM
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Exactly. The document claims to be for public release, yet it can only be found on WikiLeaks


WL is an objective news site with 100 percent record for telling the truth. Something very much is going on. I have never seen such a large internet take down since the internet started. Along with the smear campaingns and fake news propogada...along with Julian assange going awol and google seaches being edited social media controling the story...

This all requires a massive amount of effort its not being done for no reason..!



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 06:21 AM
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HuH? I thought the whole pizza gate is based on the assumption, that Pizza stands for porn, to be more specific cheese pizza - cp - child porn. And not sex with a child.

Obviuosly both, child porn or sex with a minor is dead wrong.

But whats the specific allegation now? Is it a porn ring, is it a sex ring is it a human trafficking ring involving minors?

OR just a Pizza?



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 06:22 AM
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originally posted by: talisman
I would also like to know how the owner of a Pizza joint gets to be considered a powerful person in DC?


Did wonder the same myself..




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