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Is Pizzagate an actual "thing" or is it limited to ATS & a few other sites

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posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 04:38 AM
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originally posted by: svetlana84
a reply to: Man0nFire

Again it's art. Definition of art: "The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power:"

"imagination" and "emotional power" (as in provocative art) are the keywords here.


Again you can call it "art", but there is a much greater meaning here. A meaning they don't want you to understand. The idea is to dumb this down so we don't question it. The more people blur the lines with art and occult the greater chance this is tolerated in our society. Before you know it most of our government will be practicing art, and putting this "art" in our schools...humanity needs to take a stand here.




posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 04:51 AM
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a reply to: Man0nFire

Dude, as you posted yourself, there are absolute limits. We call these limits 'the law'.

you want to make an art performance involving pig blood? Fine.

you want to make an art preformance which includes raping kids?
Thats not art, that s raping kids and therefor illegal.

Simple as that. And especially the US takes pride in all sorts of freedoms, including religious freedom. So yes, even satanic rituals have to be legal. Satanism is as religious as christianity (where the idea of Satan stems from).



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 04:55 AM
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originally posted by: svetlana84
a reply to: Man0nFire

Dude, as you posted yourself, there are absolute limits. We call these limits 'the law'.

you want to make an art performance involving pig blood? Fine.

you want to make an art preformance which includes raping kids?
Thats not art, that s raping kids and therefor illegal.

Simple as that. And especially the US takes pride in all sorts of freedoms, including religious freedom. So yes, even satanic rituals have to be legal. Satanism is as religious as christianity (where the idea of Satan stems from).



Not arguing legality at all. I'm arguing morality.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 04:57 AM
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te]originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Or how Pizza would still taste good after a flight halfway across the country?


Having ordered Pizzas from New York online I can say I pay About 15.00 in shipping for 2 day delivery. Sometime you just really have to have a new York style pizza. As for how you get it put in oven for 15 min and eat.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: svetlana84
a reply to: Man0nFire
So yes, even satanic rituals have to be legal. Satanism is as religious as christianity (where the idea of Satan stems from).



Plus, most so-called Satanists do not believe in Satan. For example, the Church of Satan are atheists who choose the symbol of Satan as a means of opposition to the church, but don't actually believe he exists. So clearly, they aren't engaging in rituals for a deity they do not believe in.

The truth is, there is no solid evidence connecting Podesta to anything even remotely illegal. The same goes for the pizza places.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 04:18 PM
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A group which explicitly rejects religion cannot possibly be described as a religion.

Satanism is not a religion, it is blasphemy at the highest of levels.

There is also no such thing as freedom to express or propagate evil.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: VigiliaProcuratio


A group which explicitly rejects religion cannot possibly be described as a religion.


On the contrary, many belief systems, though nominally rejecting religion, are formally identical to religion. Marxism has a distinct soteriology, and replaces deity with the "historical dialectic."



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 04:40 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

Well my main point was about Satanism. Call it a religion if you like, it's certainly not one of a benevolent cause that's for sure, and it certainly isn't atheist in nature either. To practice Satanism is to collude with evil.

Some will deny religion, that being the existence of God, the Holy Spirit and the Prophets, simply because they have seen no proof of divine presence, and that is purely a matter of one's own choice. But to side with evil is blasphemy.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 05:53 PM
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a reply to: VigiliaProcuratio

There are actually many groups and individuals who call themselves "Satanists." Some of them are more morally upright than groups and individuals calling themselves "Christians." Who was it again who said "love thine enemy?"



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 06:10 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

To love the enemy of God is like forgiving somebody for sacrificing a child. And verily I say unto thee, that those whom make blood libel of the children are indeed the enemies of God. What becomes of such evil is certainly not of my control - but be aware no less of my angst, be very aware of God's fury. Amen.

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posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 06:17 PM
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originally posted by: VigiliaProcuratio
a reply to: DJW001

Well my main point was about Satanism. Call it a religion if you like, it's certainly not one of a benevolent cause that's for sure, and it certainly isn't atheist in nature either. To practice Satanism is to collude with evil.



Satanism from it's creation has been a false-flag organization for witch-hunting Christian people as a scapegoat for enticing mob-mentality.

The term 'Satanism' was created by Christians in the 16th century, as labels for other Christians their groups disagreed with, and the methodology of slandering them publicly for 'evil demonic practices'.

There was never a group of 'Satanists' that originally founded the group, it was for slandering other Christians reputation as it's main purpose from the start.

While there are legitimate Satanist organizations today, like mentioned, and are not associated with the devil etc. What to draw from this story and it's connection to Satanism, is the History of Satanism, and potentially the motive for calling these people "Satanists". It couldn't be slander could it? That was only the reason the 'Religion' was even created.

Most Satanists are not bad, and many ARE atheists, especially because they understand the root of the word 'Satan' and many even think the entire thing is a concept for 'Human Behavior' and not a deity at all. The main reason to call someone a Satanist is to misrepresent the practices and formulate a way for them to look bad and evil. This has always been true. Source:


en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 09:39 PM
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originally posted by: VigiliaProcuratio
A group which explicitly rejects religion cannot possibly be described as a religion.

Satanism is not a religion, it is blasphemy at the highest of levels.

There is also no such thing as freedom to express or propagate evil.


The Church of Satan is not Satanist.

Yep, that's true. Look it up.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 09:51 PM
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a reply to: Greggers

Just because it was written by the hand of man, does not make it true. Satanism is blasphemy, simple as that. Should you wish to defend the "Church of Satan" and thus defy the true Blessings of the Holy Spirit, you go right ahead. Don't say you weren't warned. Amen.

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posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 09:57 PM
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a reply to: VigiliaProcuratio

This isn't about what your religion says. It is about the law. Whether you like it or not, these religions are protected by law in places with freedom of religion.

They might burn in hell but they will not be prosecuted just based on their beliefs.
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posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: VigiliaProcuratio

This isn't about what your religion says. It is about the law. Whether you like it or not, these religions are protected by law in places with freedom of religion.

They might burn in hell but they will not be prosecuted just based on their beliefs.


Ah who knows Satan might be nice to his followers they could have it pretty good we don't know. Maybe there's a version of lad Vegas in hell you know they call it sin city.

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posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:07 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

Whether you like it or not, there is no law but God.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:13 PM
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originally posted by: VigiliaProcuratio
Whether you like it or not, there is no law but God.

That is your opinion and thanks to the law, you can't be punished by man for it.

Just ask the christians in muslim countries being massacred how great it is to allow one religion decide what is right and wrong.
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posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:23 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

Can we just agree it's good vs evil. The distortion and debate as to what is good and what is evil has led towards an imbalance towards evil in the past decade. Writing ritualistic scripture using the blood of animals or humans mixing breast milk with sperm in sacrificial ceremonies is evil.. if you are defending that this is somehow good then you probably have some sort of possession going on, or your vehicle doesn't have a human spirit altogether.

This silly politically correct debate is dangerous in my opinion. It forces people to question their instincts regarding what is good and what is evil. You're lowering the bar so to speak. These rituals should have no place in our society, especially in government power positions. Our laws and constitutional freedoms in this country protects everyone and therefore these people can do what the wish on their own time, however a civil society is defined not with laws but on traditions and morality.

At the end of the day I'm 100% convinced the evidence supports the podesta a as well as many others in government are not good people. Good people do not display art of children sexual torture, and they don't perform occult type rituals.
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posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:31 PM
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originally posted by: Man0nFire
Can we just agree it's good vs evil.

I can't, especially since you seem to think only you can decide what is good and evil and if someone disagrees with you they must be possessed or soulless.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:43 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

I'd be more inclined to ask Muslims in the Middle East about how they're being bombed by America, Britain, France, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey. It's the Muslims whom are being massacred, let's make no mistake about that. And that is certainly not of God's will, that is the work of an evil force.

a reply to: daskakik

Well considering you think "art" of bound children, cannibalism, paedophilia, and that the revering Satan, is completely normal, then I'm certainly inclined to question your morals (or lack thereof). Call that an opinion if you like, but anybody with a warm heart will see through you as though you're glass.



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