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originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: InachMarbank
Forward momentum is absolutely a force in this sense. Why do you think otherwise?
No, downward acceleration is NOT increased because there is no "downward" movement...you are confusing yourself in that you think "free fall" means it is moving downward and should be gaining speed, that isn't what is happening.
Neither vectors are changing. Gravity is constant as the centripetal force and forward momentum is almost constant at 17k mph.
It does not seem to make sense, theoretically, to say a forward momentum, running into the force of gravity at a 90 degree angle, can cancel the downward force of gravity.
originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: InachMarbank
I didn't say momentum was a force. Read again slowly. I said it is "in this sense".
If a train kills it's engine but continues to move forward what will happen if you reach out and grab it? In that sense the forward momentum of the train is a force acting against your arm and rips your arm off and continues on.
Since nothing is there to slow the forward momentum of the projectile (in this case the space station for example), the forward momentum acts AGAINST the centripetal force caused by gravity. It will act against that force nearly indefinitely as long as nothing impedes it's forward momentum.
It does not seem to make sense, theoretically, to say a forward momentum, running into the force of gravity at a 90 degree angle, can cancel the downward force of gravity.
Yet it does...
Also, satellites are not "running into the force of gravity". They are moving straight and running into nothing, hence nothing to slow them. Gravity is just keeping them from continuing away from the planet in a straight line.
originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: InachMarbank
Nothing cancels the centripetal force on the ISS which is gravity. It overcomes the effects of it in that it doesn't move downward towards the earth. It doesn't overcome it so much that it escapes, just enough to orbit.
originally posted by: InachMarbank
So... when the ISS moves at a forward momentum, traveling 17000 mph, gravity, which would normally force downward at a 90 degree angle, is changed; but when gravity forces downward, at 8.84 meters per second squared, at a 90 degree angle, it does not change forward momentum?
originally posted by: choos
originally posted by: InachMarbank
So... when the ISS moves at a forward momentum, traveling 17000 mph, gravity, which would normally force downward at a 90 degree angle, is changed; but when gravity forces downward, at 8.84 meters per second squared, at a 90 degree angle, it does not change forward momentum?
gravity wont change forward momentum.. gravity and forward momentum are generally always at right angles to maintain orbit.
the only way gravity can change forward momentum is if forward momentum was not perpendicular to the pull of gravity.
however in orbit forward momentum is more of less always parallel to the earths surface therefore always perpendicular to the pull of gravity.
originally posted by: InachMarbank
originally posted by: choos
originally posted by: InachMarbank
So... when the ISS moves at a forward momentum, traveling 17000 mph, gravity, which would normally force downward at a 90 degree angle, is changed; but when gravity forces downward, at 8.84 meters per second squared, at a 90 degree angle, it does not change forward momentum?
gravity wont change forward momentum.. gravity and forward momentum are generally always at right angles to maintain orbit.
the only way gravity can change forward momentum is if forward momentum was not perpendicular to the pull of gravity.
however in orbit forward momentum is more of less always parallel to the earths surface therefore always perpendicular to the pull of gravity.
And can the forward momentum change the down force of gravity, as raymundoko seems to be suggesting?
originally posted by: choos
originally posted by: InachMarbank
originally posted by: choos
originally posted by: InachMarbank
So... when the ISS moves at a forward momentum, traveling 17000 mph, gravity, which would normally force downward at a 90 degree angle, is changed; but when gravity forces downward, at 8.84 meters per second squared, at a 90 degree angle, it does not change forward momentum?
gravity wont change forward momentum.. gravity and forward momentum are generally always at right angles to maintain orbit.
the only way gravity can change forward momentum is if forward momentum was not perpendicular to the pull of gravity.
however in orbit forward momentum is more of less always parallel to the earths surface therefore always perpendicular to the pull of gravity.
And can the forward momentum change the down force of gravity, as raymundoko seems to be suggesting?
no it cant he never suggested that, that is your own misinterpretation.
anyway this is offtopic. if you have genuine questions about this there is a thread that was made to answer any physics questions just like this:
Thread: Ask any question you want about Physics
originally posted by: InachMarbank
originally posted by: choos
originally posted by: InachMarbank
originally posted by: choos
originally posted by: InachMarbank
So... when the ISS moves at a forward momentum, traveling 17000 mph, gravity, which would normally force downward at a 90 degree angle, is changed; but when gravity forces downward, at 8.84 meters per second squared, at a 90 degree angle, it does not change forward momentum?
gravity wont change forward momentum.. gravity and forward momentum are generally always at right angles to maintain orbit.
the only way gravity can change forward momentum is if forward momentum was not perpendicular to the pull of gravity.
however in orbit forward momentum is more of less always parallel to the earths surface therefore always perpendicular to the pull of gravity.
And can the forward momentum change the down force of gravity, as raymundoko seems to be suggesting?
no it cant he never suggested that, that is your own misinterpretation.
anyway this is offtopic. if you have genuine questions about this there is a thread that was made to answer any physics questions just like this:
Thread: Ask any question you want about Physics
This is a thread about NASA plans, and I am curious about NASA claims. I view my questions as fitting.
It was said forward momentum could overcome downward force.
Are you saying the ISS is not falling, as gravity would cause an object without upward force to do?
originally posted by: choos
originally posted by: InachMarbank
originally posted by: choos
originally posted by: InachMarbank
originally posted by: choos
originally posted by: InachMarbank
So... when the ISS moves at a forward momentum, traveling 17000 mph, gravity, which would normally force downward at a 90 degree angle, is changed; but when gravity forces downward, at 8.84 meters per second squared, at a 90 degree angle, it does not change forward momentum?
gravity wont change forward momentum.. gravity and forward momentum are generally always at right angles to maintain orbit.
the only way gravity can change forward momentum is if forward momentum was not perpendicular to the pull of gravity.
however in orbit forward momentum is more of less always parallel to the earths surface therefore always perpendicular to the pull of gravity.
And can the forward momentum change the down force of gravity, as raymundoko seems to be suggesting?
no it cant he never suggested that, that is your own misinterpretation.
anyway this is offtopic. if you have genuine questions about this there is a thread that was made to answer any physics questions just like this:
Thread: Ask any question you want about Physics
This is a thread about NASA plans, and I am curious about NASA claims. I view my questions as fitting.
It was said forward momentum could overcome downward force.
Are you saying the ISS is not falling, as gravity would cause an object without upward force to do?
your questions are not fitting, you are querying the ISS and orbital mechanics.. nothing to do with NASA's plans..
forward momentum doesnt "overcome" gravity, that is just your misinterpretation.. what forward momentum does do is that it moves the craft far enough forward that whatever gravity has done to pull the craft to earth the craft has moved sufficiently far enough forward to maintain its height due to the curvature of the earth.
increase the forward momentum and the craft gains a higher altitude, lower the forward momentum and it will begin to fall.
if you have any other issues ask in the appropriate thread which is not this one ill link it again, they have smart people in there that explain things better than i can.. if you are genuinely curious go ask there.
Thread: Ask any question you want about Physics
originally posted by: InachMarbank
originally posted by: choos
originally posted by: InachMarbank
originally posted by: choos
originally posted by: InachMarbank
originally posted by: choos
originally posted by: InachMarbank
So... when the ISS moves at a forward momentum, traveling 17000 mph, gravity, which would normally force downward at a 90 degree angle, is changed; but when gravity forces downward, at 8.84 meters per second squared, at a 90 degree angle, it does not change forward momentum?
gravity wont change forward momentum.. gravity and forward momentum are generally always at right angles to maintain orbit.
the only way gravity can change forward momentum is if forward momentum was not perpendicular to the pull of gravity.
however in orbit forward momentum is more of less always parallel to the earths surface therefore always perpendicular to the pull of gravity.
And can the forward momentum change the down force of gravity, as raymundoko seems to be suggesting?
no it cant he never suggested that, that is your own misinterpretation.
anyway this is offtopic. if you have genuine questions about this there is a thread that was made to answer any physics questions just like this:
Thread: Ask any question you want about Physics
This is a thread about NASA plans, and I am curious about NASA claims. I view my questions as fitting.
It was said forward momentum could overcome downward force.
Are you saying the ISS is not falling, as gravity would cause an object without upward force to do?
your questions are not fitting, you are querying the ISS and orbital mechanics.. nothing to do with NASA's plans..
forward momentum doesnt "overcome" gravity, that is just your misinterpretation.. what forward momentum does do is that it moves the craft far enough forward that whatever gravity has done to pull the craft to earth the craft has moved sufficiently far enough forward to maintain its height due to the curvature of the earth.
increase the forward momentum and the craft gains a higher altitude, lower the forward momentum and it will begin to fall.
if you have any other issues ask in the appropriate thread which is not this one ill link it again, they have smart people in there that explain things better than i can.. if you are genuinely curious go ask there.
Thread: Ask any question you want about Physics
That thread was started like 2 years ago.
Does NASA plan to keep the ISS in orbit? If so, then my questions are about a NASA plan, right?
So it sounds like you are saying gravity is causing the ISS to fall. Is that correct?
originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: InachMarbank
When did I ever say it would change the force of gravity? You are the one who said that. However I have to agree with Choos. This is no longer about NASA and instead about orbital mechanics and your personal view on physics. You should start a separate thread or join an existing thread to discuss these things.
originally posted by: choos
originally posted by: InachMarbank
originally posted by: choos
originally posted by: InachMarbank
originally posted by: choos
originally posted by: InachMarbank
originally posted by: choos
originally posted by: InachMarbank
So... when the ISS moves at a forward momentum, traveling 17000 mph, gravity, which would normally force downward at a 90 degree angle, is changed; but when gravity forces downward, at 8.84 meters per second squared, at a 90 degree angle, it does not change forward momentum?
gravity wont change forward momentum.. gravity and forward momentum are generally always at right angles to maintain orbit.
the only way gravity can change forward momentum is if forward momentum was not perpendicular to the pull of gravity.
however in orbit forward momentum is more of less always parallel to the earths surface therefore always perpendicular to the pull of gravity.
And can the forward momentum change the down force of gravity, as raymundoko seems to be suggesting?
no it cant he never suggested that, that is your own misinterpretation.
anyway this is offtopic. if you have genuine questions about this there is a thread that was made to answer any physics questions just like this:
Thread: Ask any question you want about Physics
This is a thread about NASA plans, and I am curious about NASA claims. I view my questions as fitting.
It was said forward momentum could overcome downward force.
Are you saying the ISS is not falling, as gravity would cause an object without upward force to do?
your questions are not fitting, you are querying the ISS and orbital mechanics.. nothing to do with NASA's plans..
forward momentum doesnt "overcome" gravity, that is just your misinterpretation.. what forward momentum does do is that it moves the craft far enough forward that whatever gravity has done to pull the craft to earth the craft has moved sufficiently far enough forward to maintain its height due to the curvature of the earth.
increase the forward momentum and the craft gains a higher altitude, lower the forward momentum and it will begin to fall.
if you have any other issues ask in the appropriate thread which is not this one ill link it again, they have smart people in there that explain things better than i can.. if you are genuinely curious go ask there.
Thread: Ask any question you want about Physics
That thread was started like 2 years ago.
Does NASA plan to keep the ISS in orbit? If so, then my questions are about a NASA plan, right?
So it sounds like you are saying gravity is causing the ISS to fall. Is that correct?
no i have told you already your question is about ORBITAL MECHANICS... you are using the ISS as an example, you could use any other satellite in existance and your questions are still valid.
the thread may have been started two years ago, but it is still active.. you have wasted enough pages in this thread alone, i wont reply to you here anymore, like i said if you have genuine questions about orbital mechanics go ask in the physics thread, there is enough very smart people there to get all your answers without people like me giving you grief about being off topic.
originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: InachMarbank
I didn't quantify those because those aren't valid questions...why would there be a "new force of gravity"??? The forward momentum is the "up " force in this sense but you don't seem to understand no matter how simply I try to explain. Vertical free fall + correct horizontal speed = orbit.
Your questions imply you lack basic knowledge of physics yet you are trying to introduce new physics.