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U.S. Intelligence Obtains Iranian nuke plans

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posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
When to missiles start to fall on the western US, there will be many on this site that claim GW did it. It may already be too late to stop this from happening even if we attack Iran tommorrow.

I don't believe that the Iranian missiles can reach all the way into the United States. The Shihab 3 currently has a range of 1,500 kilometers but they are rumored to be working on a missile that will reach as far as Britain. I'm really surprised that Europe isn't taking a bigger role in preventing this from happening. I guess the EU supposes that everyone can be armed to the teeth and live happily together.

[edit on 26-1-2005 by dbates]




posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 07:35 AM
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Yeah, we heard the same BS from the Bush cabal before he went into IRAQ and made an arse of himself. They didnt find anything in Iraq, and I have a hunch that they wont find anything in Iran either.

So why dont we attack Packistan or India? They both have nukes they could sell to terrorist.



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by dbates

Originally posted by DrHoracid
When to missiles start to fall on the western US, there will be many on this site that claim GW did it. It may already be too late to stop this from happening even if we attack Iran tommorrow.

I don't believe that the Iranian missiles can reach all the way into the United States. The Shihab 3 currently has a range of 1,500 kilometers but they are rumored to be working on a missile that will reach as far as Britain. I'm really surprised that Europe isn't taking a bigger role in preventing this from happening. I guess the EU supposes that everyone can be armed to the teeth and live happily together.

[edit on 26-1-2005 by dbates]


"After the success of Nodong, Pyongyang aims today to commercialize the Taepodong 1, bi-stadium with the capacity to hit targets situated upto 2,000/ 2,500 km away, used for the development of the Sahab 4 in Iran. In the Summer of 1998, it is tested with a launch that flies over Japan, while a further development of ballistic missile, noted as Taepodong 2, is a tri-stadium supplied also to Iran (Sahab 5 and 6) and to Pakistan (Ghauri III and Tipu), which thanks to the use of motors of Chinese concept with solid fuel, it seems to have more than 6,000 km of action range. According to a North Korean scientist escaped to South Korea and today in the US, another missile with a range of 10,000 km (capable to hit California and Europe) is actually on develop."

www.analisidifesa.it...

More Sahab data

www.fas.org...



[edit on 26-1-2005 by DrHoracid]



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by Kidfinger
Yeah, we heard the same BS from the Bush cabal before he went into IRAQ and made an arse of himself. They didnt find anything in Iraq, and I have a hunch that they wont find anything in Iran either.

So why dont we attack Packistan or India? They both have nukes they could sell to terrorist.

EXACTLY!
why doesnt the u.s. attack and "free" india and pakistan, who have much more nuclear weapons than all the middle eastern countires put togather?
are you scared of india? scared of ONE BILLION people?
i guess its a matter of "taste", who the u.s. does attack in the end.
not a matter of "national security".



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 08:17 AM
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So I guess the US should take its ball and go home right? Then everything will be perfect as the US is to blame for all the problems in the Middle East apparently.
It does seem logical....let the radical muslim terrorist blow themselves up in the name of allah and if that fails they can nuke each other. Now thats a recipe for peace!



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 08:18 AM
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The US doesn't attack India or Pakistan because they don't openly call for the destruction of their neighbors based on fanatical religious grounds. India and Pakistan are countering each other with fairly equal arsenals of weapons and manpower, as they are direct neighbors who are in dispute of common territory.

So tell me.....what Iranian territory is being threatened by Israel? When was the last time Israel attacked sovereign Iranian soil? How many thousands of miles separate Iran and Israel?

People are concerned about Iran getting nuclear weapons because they have a track record of acting irrationally, impulsively, and based on religious motivations.

This whole situation reminds me of the old sci-fi movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still", with the US playing the role of Gort...........



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 08:23 AM
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The "truth" about why muslims hate america is more likely to be the PORN, and hollywood filth called movies and the US failure to remove a vile peice of filth from the whitehouse in the 90's.

I don't particularly like Fox news as I find it TOO liberal. And I don't like GW for the same reasons.....he's too liberal.

And I could give a "rats behind" IF the world does "hate" america.



I really genuinely feel sorry for you that you have so much hatred. It must be difficult dealing with the 'voices' in your head? Seek professional help before you injure yourself or others...

[edit on 26-1-2005 by arnold_vosloo]



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by Pyros
The US doesn't attack India or Pakistan because they don't openly call for the destruction of their neighbors based on fanatical religious grounds. India and Pakistan are countering each other with fairly equal arsenals of weapons and manpower, as they are direct neighbors who are in dispute of common territory.


They are constantly threatening each other over Kashmire. And they BOTH have hinted on more than one occasion of the use of nukes agianst each other.



So tell me.....what Iranian territory is being threatened by Israel? When was the last time Israel attacked sovereign Iranian soil? How many thousands of miles separate Iran and Israel?



The only territory in Iran being threatened by Isreal are the territories with supposed Nuke production facilities. If Isreal does attack Iran, I hope the Isreali's get thier butts kicked. The Isreal is just a terroristic state that promotes the growth of terrorism.


So what about N. Korea? Why havent we attacked them? They pose a great threat to the US, having nuke capabilities to reach the continental US. Bush is a hypocrite and will only enage a weak country that can be overrun with ease.



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by Kidfinger
So what about N. Korea? Why havent we attacked them? They pose a great threat to the US, having nuke capabilities to reach the continental US. Bush is a hypocrite and will only enage a weak country that can be overrun with ease.


So why dont we attack Packistan or India? They both have nukes they could sell to terrorist.

The key word here is have. These countries already have nukes. The world should be very concerned with the spread of nuclear weapons any further. especially to countries ruled by unstable imams. Once a country has nukes, it's impossible to disarm them.

Europe especially should be very concerned with Iran, since they are within striking range of Iranian missiles.



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky

The key word here is have. These countries already have nukes. The world should be very concerned with the spread of nuclear weapons any further. especially to countries ruled by unstable imams. Once a country has nukes, it's impossible to disarm them.

Europe especially should be very concerned with Iran, since they are within striking range of Iranian missiles.


So, are you saying that as long as a country has nukes, we shouldnt bother them? North Korea has Nukes, and we are going through summit after summit in an attempt to disarm them. Why wasnt that good enough for Iraq/Iran?



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 09:22 AM
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I wonder if the CIA and the US administration are gona go after "The Internet Nation" soon too. The internet also holds, in to the finest details, plans to create each and every kind of weapon, including nuclear.

Nuke design plans go from simple Bullet type warheads to multiple stage warheads.

Lemme tell you something. Its 1 thing to have a nuke, another to have the nuclear fuel, the delivery system, the guidance system, the failsafe systems and so on.

The only threat Iran can be with a Nuke is to Israel and well, seeing Israel is nuclear capable too, I doubt Iran will be stuppid enough to go trough a Mutal assured destruction scenario, since even if Israel fails to destroy Iran entirely, the US will most definatly jump on the bandwagon and finish the job.



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 09:55 AM
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most people believe the iranians indeed work towards nukes, but about those plans the CIA obtained.....the last time they "obtained" nuclear evidence pointing to iraq supposedly buying uranium in Africa, it turned out forged evidence (made in Tel Aviv?) . So , does the CIA have better sources this time in the tight sji'ite community, or is this another Photoshop project?

[edit on 26-1-2005 by Countermeasures]



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by Kidfinger
[So, are you saying that as long as a country has nukes, we shouldnt bother them? North Korea has Nukes, and we are going through summit after summit in an attempt to disarm them. Why wasnt that good enough for Iraq/Iran?

Not that we shouldn't bother them. It's just that if they already have them, your options narrow considerably.

As far as diplomacy for Iran, I would be very very happy if that option were to be pursued and even happier if it were to work. I'm not for a military strike against Iran as a first or second option.

As far as Iraq, I don't think Saddam could have been trusted to keep his word.



posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 06:31 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
I'm not for a military strike against Iran as a first or second option.


There is hope for you yet. Must admit, I never thought Id hear anything like that coming from you.




As far as Iraq, I don't think Saddam could have been trusted to keep his word.


Apparently, he DID keep his word. We still havent found the WMD, which were originally just Nukes, but have now turned into the spreading of democracy to a rogue nation, and the ousting of a dictator.


Bush is the one who cant keep his words...................straight.


[edit on 1/27/05 by Kidfinger]



posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 06:58 AM
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The entire planet had intel thet Saddam "had" WMD's. All the way back to the Clinton years and beyond. Country after country had the same "intel", congress of the US made speechs on the subject, the UN made speechs.....All long before GW was elected.

The real question should be "where did the WMD's go?" That is the scary part that everyone seem to want to ignore. The entire world for 15 years had data that "confirmed" Iraq's WMD's.

"where did the WMD's go?"



posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 07:08 AM
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People have already pointed out the stellar intelligence record of the last few years, so I'll skip that part.

I'd just like to take a second to thank the CIA for making this info available online.


I love feeling like I, humble American citizen, am in the intelligence loop, even in cases of national security and sensitive international affairs. I applaud their openness on this matter.



posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 07:32 AM
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iran is a modern country. not alike any middle eastern countries. they know what it means to have nuclear weapons in your arsenal. they are not stupid. it is a counteweight to the israeli nuclear capability, that is threatning the middle eastern chrisis situation.


Last time I looked at history it was always Israel's neighbors who attacked Israel first, and typically in concert...so the argument of Israeli nukes threatening the middle eastern crisis is bull#. I'm no fan of Israel's policies on the Palestinians, but I think it's the wish of many of Israel's neighbors wanting to see Israel wiped off the map, that may be more to blame for the middle eastern crisis...


Iran is, and has been synonymous with terrorism. If you think the US is going to stand by and allow Iran nuclear weapons capability, you're living in a dream-world. To be perfectly honest, I seriously doubt Dubya gives a damn about world opinion on this matter, and while I think the case could have easily been made to the world before his Iraq debacle, I'm pretty much convinced that all of this rhetoric is going to at the minimum, lead to an air attack on Iranian nuke facilities, and at maximum, a policy of regime change, touching off WWIII of course, but this obviously doesn't concern Paladin Bush.



posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by quango
People have already pointed out the stellar intelligence record of the last few years, so I'll skip that part.

I'd just like to take a second to thank the CIA for making this info available online.


I love feeling like I, humble American citizen, am in the intelligence loop, even in cases of national security and sensitive international affairs. I applaud their openness on this matter.




Exactly what I was thinking.

Does it not seem strange to anyone else that they chose to leak this information?

To me this seems like a calculated disclosure to sway public opinion towards the need for a regime change in Iran. EXACTLY what they did before the Iraqi invasion. We don’t even know if the source is real, let alone accurate.

Gee, people sure have short memories round here. Instead of puffing your cheeks out and instantly thinking “lets kill em’, kill em all”, think about why they leaked this information, think about what the government wants you to think.

Don’t all be sheep in their mind games.



posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by Clandestine

Originally posted by quango
People have already pointed out the stellar intelligence record of the last few years, so I\'ll skip that part.

I\'d just like to take a second to thank the CIA for making this info available online.


I love feeling like I, humble American citizen, am in the intelligence loop, even in cases of national security and sensitive international affairs. I applaud their openness on this matter.




Exactly what I was thinking.

Does it not seem strange to anyone else that they chose to leak this information?

To me this seems like a calculated disclosure to sway public opinion towards the need for a regime change in Iran. EXACTLY what they did before the Iraqi invasion. We don’t even know if the source is real, let alone accurate.

Gee, people sure have short memories round here. Instead of puffing your cheeks out and instantly thinking “lets kill em’, kill em all”, think about why they leaked this information, think about what the government wants you to think.

Don’t all be sheep in their mind games.


Too many of the american people are being mislead by the anti-war and anti-bush main stream media. The CIA is having an internal "war" with pro and anti members. These leaks may be a reminder of the "objective" or an attempt to derail GW's plans. Regardless the US must keep pushing for Iran to stop building nukes and missiles...............



posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid

Originally posted by Clandestine

Originally posted by quango
People have already pointed out the stellar intelligence record of the last few years, so I\'ll skip that part.

I\'d just like to take a second to thank the CIA for making this info available online.


I love feeling like I, humble American citizen, am in the intelligence loop, even in cases of national security and sensitive international affairs. I applaud their openness on this matter.




Exactly what I was thinking.

Does it not seem strange to anyone else that they chose to leak this information?

To me this seems like a calculated disclosure to sway public opinion towards the need for a regime change in Iran. EXACTLY what they did before the Iraqi invasion. We don’t even know if the source is real, let alone accurate.

Gee, people sure have short memories round here. Instead of puffing your cheeks out and instantly thinking “lets kill em’, kill em all”, think about why they leaked this information, think about what the government wants you to think.

Don’t all be sheep in their mind games.


Too many of the american people are being mislead by the anti-war and anti-bush main stream media. The CIA is having an internal "war" with pro and anti members. These leaks may be a reminder of the "objective" or an attempt to derail GW's plans. Regardless the US must keep pushing for Iran to stop building nukes and missiles...............



I think the leaks are a reminder of the objective – ‘Spread democracy and peace (steal oil) throughout the middle-east’.

I doubt the CIA would let any of it’s ‘anti’ members anywhere near this source or the information he/she has.




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