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U.S. Intelligence Obtains Iranian nuke plans

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posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 05:43 AM
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"WASHINGTON [MENL] -- The U.S. intelligence community has obtained plans for what was described as an Iranian project to develop a nuclear warhead.

Officials said the plans were obtained by the CIA in November from an unidentified source. They said the source relayed more than 1,000 pages of technical drawings and documents of an Iranian nuclear missile warhead design.

In November, 2004, officials said, the CIA had sought to confirm the authenticity of the Iranian documents. The Iranian documents -- first reported by the Washington Post on Nov. 19 -- were said to outline a design for a nuclear warhead of the enhanced Shihab-3 intermediate-range ballistic missile. Officials said a warhead capable of containing a nuclear bomb appeared have been developed for the launch of the Shihab-3 in October 2004.

Iran has acknowledged that information from its nuclear program has been leaked to opposition sources and Western intelligence agencies. Since last August, Teheran has reported arrests of unidentified scientists and technicians in Iran's nuclear program. "

www.menewsline.com...

When to missiles start to fall on the western US, there will be many on this site that claim GW did it. It may already be too late to stop this from happening even if we attack Iran tommorrow.

[edit on 26-1-2005 by asala]

[edit on 26-1-2005 by John bull 1]




posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 06:09 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
When missiles start to fall on the western US, there will be many on this site that claim GW did it. It may already be too late to stop this from happening even if we attack Iran tommorrow.

where do you get this paranoid ideas, that iran needs nuclear weapons to launch them at the western u.s.? what is this, the cold war period?
iran is a modern country. not alike any middle eastern countries. they know what it means to have nuclear weapons in your arsenal. they are not stupid. it is a counteweight to the israeli nuclear capability, that is threatning the middle eastern chrisis situation.



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 06:13 AM
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The good doctor and his latest incarnation of hatred for all thing muslims or arabs.


Amusing, it is amazing how the hatred can burn, I can feel his hatred through his post, a very interesting individual, one of my favorites on this board.

If only the good doctor can direct his energy for a more useful purpose, grilling a good cheese steak comes to mind.



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 06:16 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by DrHoracid
When missiles start to fall on the western US, there will be many on this site that claim GW did it. It may already be too late to stop this from happening even if we attack Iran tommorrow.

where do you get this paranoid ideas, that iran needs nuclear weapons to launch them at the western u.s.? what is this, the cold war period?
iran is a modern country. not alike any middle eastern countries. they know what it means to have nuclear weapons in your arsenal. they are not stupid. it is a counteweight to the israeli nuclear capability, that is threatning the middle eastern chrisis situation.



"America's war on terrorism did not begin in September 2001. It began in November 1979.

That was shortly after Ayatollah Khomeini had seized power in Iran, riding the slogan "Death to America" - and sure enough, the attacks on Americans soon began. In November 1979, a militant Islamic mob took over the U.S. embassy in Tehran, the Iranian capital, and held 52 Americans hostage for the next 444 days.

The rescue team sent to free those hostages in April 1980 suffered eight fatalities, making them the first of militant Islam's many American casualties. Others included:

April 1983: 63 dead at the U.S. embassy in Beirut.

October 1983: 241 dead at the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut.

December 1983: five dead at the U.S. embassy in Kuwait.

January 1984: the president of the American University of Beirut killed.

April 1984: 18 dead near a U.S. airbase in Spain.

September 1984: 16 dead at the U.S. embassy in Beirut (again).

December 1984: Two dead on a plane hijacked to Tehran.

June 1985: One dead on a plane hijacked to Beirut.

After a let-up, the attacks then restarted: Five and 19 dead in Saudi Arabia in 1995 and 1996, 224 dead at the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in August 1998 and 17 dead on the USS Cole in Yemen in October 2000.

Simultaneously, the murderous assault of militant Islam also took place on U.S. soil:

July 1980: an Iranian dissident killed in the Washington, D.C. area.

August 1983: a leader of the Ahmadiyya sect of Islam killed in Canton, Mich.

August 1984: three Indians killed in a suburb of Tacoma, Wash.

September 1986: a doctor killed in Augusta, Ga.

January 1990: an Egyptian freethinker killed in Tucson, Ariz.

November 1990: a Jewish leader killed in New York.

February 1991: an Egyptian Islamist killed in New York.

January 1993: two CIA staff killed outside agency headquarters in Langley, Va.

February 1993: Six people killed at the World Trade Center.

March 1994: an Orthodox Jewish boy killed on the Brooklyn Bridge.

February 1997: a Danish tourist killed on the Empire State building.

October 1999: 217 passengers killed on an EgyptAir flight near New York City.

In all, 800 persons lost their lives in the course of attacks by militant Islam on Americans before September 2001 - more than killed by any other enemy since the Vietnam War. (Further, this listing does not include the dozens more Americans in Israel killed by militant Islamic terrorists.)

And yet, these murders hardly registered. Only with the events of a year ago did Americans finally realize that "Death to America" truly is the battle cry of this era's most dangerous foe, militant Islam.

In retrospect, the mistake began when Iranians assaulted the U.S. embassy in Tehran and met with no resistance.

Interestingly, a Marine sergeant present at the embassy that fateful day in November 1979 agrees with this assessment. As the militant Islamic mob invaded the embassy, Rodney V. Sickmann followed orders and protected neither himself nor the embassy. As a result, he was taken hostage and lived to tell the tale. (He now works for Anheuser-Busch.)

In retrospect, he believes that passivity was a mistake. The Marines should have done their assigned duty, even if it cost their lives. "Had we opened fire on them, maybe we would only have lasted an hour." But had they done that, they "could have changed history."



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 06:21 AM
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Originally posted by Justanotherperson
The good doctor and his latest incarnation of hatred for all thing muslims or arabs.


Amusing, it is amazing how the hatred can burn, I can feel his hatred through his post, a very interesting individual, one of my favorites on this board.

If only the good doctor can direct his energy for a more useful purpose, grilling a good cheese steak comes to mind.


Again the insanity of the left shines through. How is it when someone provides informational facts it is termed "hate". Sad very sad.........

I do not HATE muslims nor liberals nor anyone else.

Actually, I prefer a "Gyros" to Philly Cheese Steak............



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 06:22 AM
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The list below presents some specific incidents of U.S. policy in the Middle East. The list minimizes the grievances against the United States in the region because it excludes more generalized long‑standing policies, such as U.S. backing for authoritarian regimes (arming Saudi Arabia, training the secret police in Iran under the Shah, providing arms and aid to Turkey as it ruthlessly attacked Kurdish villages, etc.). The list also excludes many actions of Israel in which the United States is indirectly implicated because of its military, diplomatic, and economic backing for Israel.



Whether any of these grievances actually motivated those who organized the horrific and utterly unjustified attacks of September 11 is unknown. But the grievances surely helped to create the environment which breeds anti-American terrorism.





1947-48: U.S. backs Palestine partition plan. Israel established. U.S. declines to press Israel to allow expelled Palestinians to return.



1949: CIA backs military coup deposing elected government of Syria.1



1953: CIA helps overthrow the democratically‑elected Mossadeq government in Iran (which had nationalized the British oil company) leading to a quarter‑century of repressive and dictatorial rule by the Shah, Mohammed Reza Pahlevi.



1956: U.S. cuts off promised funding for Aswan Dam in Egypt after Egypt receives Eastern bloc arms.



1956: Israel, Britain, and France invade Egypt. U.S. does not support invasion, but the involvement of its NATO allies severely diminishes Washington's reputation in the region.



1958: U.S. troops land in Lebanon to preserve "stability".



early 1960s: U.S. unsuccessfully attempts assassination of Iraqi leader, Abdul Karim Qassim.2



1963: U.S. supports coup by Iraqi Ba'ath party (soon to be headed by Saddam Hussein) and reportedly gives them names of communists to murder, which they do with vigor.3



1967‑: U.S. blocks any effort in the Security Council to enforce SC Resolution 242, calling for Israeli withdrawal from territories occupied in the 1967 war.



1970: Civil war between Jordan and PLO. Israel and U.S. discuss intervening on side of Jordan if Syria backs PLO.



1972: U.S. blocks Egyptian leader Anwar Sadat's efforts to reach a peace agreement with Israel.



1973: Airlifted U.S. military aid enables Israel to turn the tide in war with Syria and Egypt.



1973‑75: U.S. supports Kurdish rebels in Iraq. When Iran reaches an agreement with Iraq in 1975 and seals the border, Iraq slaughters Kurds and U.S. denies them refuge. Kissinger secretly explains that "covert action should not be confused with missionary work."4



1975: U.S. vetoes Security Council resolution condemning Israeli attacks on Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon.5



1978‑79: Iranians begin demonstrations against the Shah. U.S. tells Shah it supports him "without reservation" and urges him to act forcefully. Until the last minute, U.S. tries to organize military coup to save the Shah, but to no avail.6



1979‑88: U.S. begins covert aid to Mujahideen in Afghanistan six months before Soviet invasion in Dec. 1979.7 Over the next decade U.S. provides training and more than $3 billion in arms and aid.



1980‑88: Iran‑Iraq war. When Iraq invades Iran, the U.S. opposes any Security Council action to condemn the invasion. U.S. soon removes Iraq from its list of nations supporting terrorism and allows U.S. arms to be transferred to Iraq. At the same time, U.S. lets Israel provide arms to Iran and in 1985 U.S. provides arms directly (though secretly) to Iran. U.S. provides intelligence information to Iraq. Iraq uses chemical weapons in 1984; U.S. restores diplomatic relations with Iraq. 1987 U.S. sends its navy into the Persian Gulf, taking Iraq's side; an overly‑aggressive U.S. ship shoots down an Iranian civilian airliner, killing 290.



1981, 1986: U.S. holds military maneuvers off the coast of Libya in waters claimed by Libya with the clear purpose of provoking Qaddafi. In 1981, a Libyan plane fires a missile and U.S. shoots down two Libyan planes. In 1986, Libya fires missiles that land far from any target and U.S. attacks Libyan patrol boats, killing 72, and shore installations. When a bomb goes off in a Berlin nightclub, killing three, the U.S. charges that Qaddafi was behind it (possibly true) and conducts major bombing raids in Libya, killing dozens of civilians, including Qaddafi's adopted daughter.8



1982: U.S. gives "green light" to Israeli invasion of Lebanon,9 killing some 17 thousand civilians.10 U.S. chooses not to invoke its laws prohibiting Israeli use of U.S. weapons except in self‑defense. U.S. vetoes several Security Council resolutions condemning the invasion.



1983: U.S. troops sent to Lebanon as part of a multinational peacekeeping force; intervene on one side of a civil war, including bombardment by USS New Jersey. Withdraw after suicide bombing of marine barracks.



1984: U.S.‑backed rebels in Afghanistan fire on civilian airliner.11



1987-92: U.S. arms used by Israel to repress first Palestinian Intifada. U.S. vetoes five Security Council resolution condemning Israeli repression.



1988: Saddam Hussein kills many thousands of his own Kurdish population and uses chemical weapons against them. The U.S. increases its economic ties to Iraq.



1988: U.S. vetoes 3 Security Council resolutions condemning continuing Israeli occupation of and repression in Lebanon.



1990‑91: U.S. rejects any diplomatic settlement of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait (for example, rebuffing any attempt to link the two regional occupations, of Kuwait and of Palestine). U.S. leads international coalition in war against Iraq. Civilian infrastructure targeted.12 To promote "stability" U.S. refuses to aid post‑war uprisings by Shi'ites in the south and Kurds in the north, denying the rebels access to captured Iraqi weapons and refusing to prohibit Iraqi helicopter flights.13



1991‑: Devastating economic sanctions are imposed on Iraq. U.S. and Britain block all attempts to lift them. Hundreds of thousands die. Though Security Council had stated that sanctions were to be lifted once Saddam Hussein's programs to develop weapons of mass destruction were ended, Washington makes it known that the sanctions would remain as long as Saddam remains in power. Sanctions in fact strengthen Saddam's position. Asked about the horrendous human consequences of the sanctions, Madeleine Albright (U.S. ambassador to the UN and later Secretary of State) declares that "the price is worth it."14



1991-: U.S. forces permanently based in Saudi Arabia.



1993‑: U.S. launches missile attack on Iraq, claiming self‑defense against an alleged assassination attempt on former president Bush two months earlier.15



1998: U.S. and U.K. bomb Iraq over the issue of weapons inspections, even though Security Council is just then meeting to discuss the matter.



1998: U.S. destroys factory producing half of Sudan's pharmaceutical supply, claiming retaliation for attacks on U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya and that factory was involved in chemical warfare. Evidence for the chemical warfare charge widely disputed.16



2000-: Israel uses U.S. arms in attempt to crush Palestinian uprising, killing hundreds of civilians.



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 06:24 AM
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These people have legitimate grievance. I am not muslims, but I am tired of hearing people rant and not be specific or just blow it off as being "patriotic" to blow away people for not liking your governments.



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 06:30 AM
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Nice list of US victories in the cold war. I must agree with the attack on the Sudan asprin factory, that was just Clinton pissed the day Monica was testifying.

So how long have you hated your mother?



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 06:34 AM
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"The rescue team sent to free those hostages in April 1980 suffered eight fatalities, making them the first of militant Islam's many American casualties." DrH

Can't blame Iranians for the deaths/casualties on the rescue mission, that was down to the US forces and Iranians were not involved.

As already mentioned, it's no good harping on about how bad the Iranians (or anyone else with a grievence for that matter) are and how they want the destruction of America, without looking at the reasons behind it.
The Western governments caused the problems and bad feeling through decades of meddling and propping up/helping to install oppressive regimes in those places. So, would a nuke in Washington be acceptable retaliation?
Of course not, but neither would the deaths of innocent Middle Easterners be acceptable to further the NeoNazis and Israels objectives of rule in the ME.



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 06:41 AM
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I don't personallly think there is a problem with Iran having nukes (I would rather that no one had them but that is just a dream).

However what sort of command and control are they going to have in place ?

Most nuke capable countries have invested millions in keeping the nukes safe, will Iran do this ?



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 06:42 AM
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Originally posted by Britguy
"The rescue team sent to free those hostages in April 1980 suffered eight fatalities, making them the first of militant Islam's many American casualties." DrH

Can't blame Iranians for the deaths/casualties on the rescue mission, that was down to the US forces and Iranians were not involved.

As already mentioned, it's no good harping on about how bad the Iranians (or anyone else with a grievence for that matter) are and how they want the destruction of America, without looking at the reasons behind it.
The Western governments caused the problems and bad feeling through decades of meddling and propping up/helping to install oppressive regimes in those places. So, would a nuke in Washington be acceptable retaliation?
Of course not, but neither would the deaths of innocent Middle Easterners be acceptable to further the NeoNazis and Israels objectives of rule in the ME.


By your own logic of "causal effect" the rescue team deaths are Irans fault for taking the embassy hostages in the first place. I don't really care "why" they hate the US, the issue is that they do "hate the US" and are planning it and Israel's destruction. They can stop, or will be stopped by what ever it takes....................

[edit on 26-1-2005 by DrHoracid]



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 06:57 AM
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There's no point arguing when your dealing with people like DrHoracid. Their closed minds will never accept the truth.They will just continue to spout their racist, bigoted ultra right wing BS, they simply don't have the intellectual capacity to understand why America is so hated by the vast majority of the world.

Keep watching Fox News Mr DrHoracid and just keep saying to yourself over and over in your head...
*graphic language removed*

[edit on 26-1-2005 by dbates]



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 06:57 AM
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i dont know how many nukes are out there from the good 'ol cold war days, but if iran had them, say not necasarily to aim at the us, and they did get stolen? it would be one more unaccounted for nuke on the planet, a bad thing indeed.



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 06:58 AM
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Well, by "causal effect", the US was guilty for propping up and arming the Shah in the first place, which caused the ill feeling towards the US.

People just don't wake up in the morning and think "I'll start hating the US today", you need to look at the reasons behind such thoughts.
Acting the bully will always come back and bite you on the ass at some point, and deservedly so.
However, I'd sooner stick the likes of Bush, Sharon and Blair against a wall and shoot them rather than have my life and the lives of my family and friends put at risk through their, and their corporate paymasters actions. Violence begets violence. Remove the agitators and there's always a better chance of a peaceful resolution. After all, people of Muslim and Christian faiths have lived side by side in many places in peace before and can do so again if a little respect for self determination and equality is shown by the leaders. I won't hold my breath though with our current ruling elite bent on power and enriching themselves at the cost of everyone else who they expect to fight for them.



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 07:07 AM
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I agree with you Britguy. This is going to be an Attack on a sovereign nation by a country imposing is own set of values. I think that a diplomatic solution is possible before anyone starts firing any missiles. Besides these are not long range missiles. I say they should go the UN way and have to UN imposed sanctions.



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by arnold_vosloo
There's no point arguing when your dealing with people like DrHoracid. Their closed minds will never accept the truth.They will just continue to spout their racist, bigoted ultra right wing BS, they simply don't have the intellectual capacity to understand why America is so hated by the vast majority of the world.

Keep watching Fox News Mr DrHoracid and just keep saying to yourself over and over in your head...
Come on Mr Bush please let me suck your £%"$


The "truth" about why muslims hate america is more likely to be the PORN, and hollywood filth called movies and the US failure to remove a vile peice of filth from the whitehouse in the 90's.

I don't particularly like Fox news as I find it TOO liberal. And I don't like GW for the same reasons.....he's too liberal.

And I could give a "rats behind" IF the world does "hate" america.



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by Britguy
Well, by "causal effect", the US was guilty for propping up and arming the Shah in the first place, which caused the ill feeling towards the US.

People just don't wake up in the morning and think "I'll start hating the US today", you need to look at the reasons behind such thoughts.
Acting the bully will always come back and bite you on the ass at some point, and deservedly so.
However, I'd sooner stick the likes of Bush, Sharon and Blair against a wall and shoot them rather than have my life and the lives of my family and friends put at risk through their, and their corporate paymasters actions. Violence begets violence. Remove the agitators and there's always a better chance of a peaceful resolution. After all, people of Muslim and Christian faiths have lived side by side in many places in peace before and can do so again if a little respect for self determination and equality is shown by the leaders. I won't hold my breath though with our current ruling elite bent on power and enriching themselves at the cost of everyone else who they expect to fight for them.


This is the same "garbage" logic used to keep the USSR in power for 75 years. Peace through "strength" is the only solution. Germany and Japan were annihilated in WWII and that is how that "tyranny" was beaten down. Islam is intent on world domination nothing less..........



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 07:17 AM
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HEY,
mister Justanotherperson, you have beaten me with this list!
i wanted to show our dear mister doctor H, what were the u.s. goverment actions in the middle east.
and most of these actions directly influence the entire middle eastern siutation, since all these invlovment caused the rise of certain "rebel groups", also known today as terrorists.

but the list doctor H published,
i mean WTF?
so wait a minute. who is here to blame for all those "attacks?
iraq? afganistan? iran?
saddam? osama?
all of them?
who cares anyway, just bomb'em to stone age!
thats the way of pece and democracy.
oh yeah, and by the way try to "maintan the ragional stability with military presence".
that always helps...



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
HEY,
mister Justanotherperson, you have beaten me with this list!
i wanted to show our dear mister doctor H, what were the u.s. goverment actions in the middle east.
and most of these actions directly influence the entire middle eastern siutation, since all these invlovment caused the rise of certain "rebel groups", also known today as terrorists.

but the list doctor H published,
i mean WTF?
so wait a minute. who is here to blame for all those "attacks?
iraq? afganistan? iran?
saddam? osama?
all of them?
who cares anyway, just bomb'em to stone age!
thats the way of pece and democracy.
oh yeah, and by the way try to "maintan the ragional stability with military presence".
that always helps...


To answer your question of who is to blame............The Religion of Peace.......and you don't have to occupy a country if its make of Glass....


Before you got nuts this thread has some perspective..........

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 26-1-2005 by DrHoracid]



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 07:26 AM
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double post? what happened?

[edit on 26-1-2005 by DrHoracid]



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