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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Gothmog
That's true, is that a coincidence? Trump has said very little, as fr as I can remember about and thing backing the Dollar.
The Federal Reserve Act was originally granted a twenty-year charter, to be renewed in 1933. This clause was amended on February 25, 1927: "To have succession after the approval of this Act until dissolved by Act of Congress or until forfeiture of franchise for violation of law." 12 U.S.C. ch. 3. As amended by act of Feb. 25, 1927 (44 Stat. 1234). The success of this amendment is notable, as in 1933, the US was in the throes of the Great Depression and public sentiment with regards to the Federal Reserve System and the banking community in general had significantly deteriorated. Given the political climate, including of Franklin D. Roosevelt’s administration and New Deal legislation, it was uncertain whether the Federal Reserve System would survive.
originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Gothmog
en.wikipedia.org...
The Federal Reserve Act was originally granted a twenty-year charter, to be renewed in 1933. This clause was amended on February 25, 1927: "To have succession after the approval of this Act until dissolved by Act of Congress or until forfeiture of franchise for violation of law." 12 U.S.C. ch. 3. As amended by act of Feb. 25, 1927 (44 Stat. 1234). The success of this amendment is notable, as in 1933, the US was in the throes of the Great Depression and public sentiment with regards to the Federal Reserve System and the banking community in general had significantly deteriorated. Given the political climate, including of Franklin D. Roosevelt’s administration and New Deal legislation, it was uncertain whether the Federal Reserve System would survive.
. This clause was amended on February 25, 1927: "To have succession after the approval of this Act until dissolved by Act of Congress or until forfeiture of franchise for violation of law." 12 U.S.C. ch.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
Taxes, deficit, and debt are irrelevant. All that matters is the purchasing power of median worker's take home pay. You can't talk about taxes, deficit, and debt without considered the cost of goods and services. If you are only concentrated on half of the equation you might as well cut off one of your legs. The problem we have in this country is from having no free markets and no competition. Corporations can charge whatever they want. CEOs can take has much pay as they want. When you have no competition you get rid of the excesses in the privately owned bureaucracies.
The problems with our country are not rocket science. The lobbyists force the politicians to pass laws creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for campaign financing. There's are specific reasons why wealth inequality in this country, and the rest of the world, is at all time highs. Money talks, and the people without money have no representation.
You know the good thing about the debt. Whoever holds it sure as hell isn't going to get it paid back!
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: seasonal
Well, it will be fixed. See, Trump has a plan. He says he will order that more money be printed. Seems mathematically sound to me.
his economic plan is pretty sound actually
See, he is gonna spend a lot more on military, and infrastructure, and cut taxes.
..wait, this is a stupid plan.
Tell that to the people of Japan who pay 20% of government funds to servicing their debt load. A similar debt load in the USA would likely lead to hyperinflation. As to why it has not already lead to hyperinflation in Japan, I don't know... that is very surprising. But I do know that if Japan were to pay a 0.5% higher interest rate, their government would default within months.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
Taxes, deficit, and debt are irrelevant.
originally posted by: Bluntone22
Ya gotta admit that Obama has spent like a drunken sailor on shore leave.
This kind of spending will catch up to us all in the end.
originally posted by: fractal5
Tell that to the people of Japan who pay 20% of government funds to servicing their debt load. A similar debt load in the USA would likely lead to hyperinflation. As to why it has not already lead to hyperinflation in Japan, I don't know... that is very surprising. But I do know that if Japan were to pay a 0.5% higher interest rate, their government would default within months.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
Taxes, deficit, and debt are irrelevant.
No the debt load is one of the most important numbers in the economy. Government spending as %GDP is the most important with government revenues as %GDP being equally important. There is no better predictor that I know of that will tell you how well off an economy will do in the future.
Hong Kong and Singapore are regularly the fastest growing economies, and regularly have the lowest government spending levels. After Singapore accumulated a large government debt load, its GDP took a very nasty spill recently. Imagine that.
The people who have gone through hyperinflation including those in Zimbabwe and Germany know that a high government debt load does lead to hyperinflation in many cases, because hyperinflation actually does have a lot to do with government debt. Government debt is the most common reason a government will print excess money into circulation. Try a basic web search for Wiemar Republic inflation and get back to me on that one.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
Maybe because hyperinflation has absolutely nothing to do with government debt.
There is also absolutely no need for Japan to default on its debt regardless of interest rates.
originally posted by: fractal5
The people who have gone through hyperinflation including those in Zimbabwe and Germany know that a high government debt load does lead to hyperinflation in many cases, because hyperinflation actually does have a lot to do with government debt. Government debt is the most common reason a government will print excess money into circulation. Try a basic web search for Wiemar Republic inflation and get back to me on that one.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
Maybe because hyperinflation has absolutely nothing to do with government debt.
There is also absolutely no need for Japan to default on its debt regardless of interest rates.
en.wikipedia.org...
The statement that Japan can pay any interest rate without a threat of default is contradictory to basic common sense. No economist OR math teacher OR finance industry worker will agree with you on that. You are totally reckless with your claims.
Hyperinflation is highly correlated with high government debt loads regardless of the nature of the spending. If Trump does increase the USA debt load, he puts the country at risk of hyperinflation. Zimbabwe had a very sharp spike to 140% about the same time hyperinflation was taking hold (source: Trading Economics website). Japan's 230% debt-GDP ratio mean the economy will almost certainly see hyperinflation at some point in the near future because of the correlation. Japan will print the money to pay off the debt, and then all hell will break lose. From my perspective only money velocity going down can be staving off hyperinflation in Japan, but the moment that velocity stop decreasing its over for Japan. I have not looked at their money velocity numbers but I'm willing to place a bet that velocity is going down. I seriously doubt any country has face a 200% ratio without hyperinflation though have not looked at the historical data to verify that.
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: fractal5
The people who have gone through hyperinflation including those in Zimbabwe and Germany know that a high government debt load does lead to hyperinflation in many cases, because hyperinflation actually does have a lot to do with government debt. Government debt is the most common reason a government will print excess money into circulation. Try a basic web search for Wiemar Republic inflation and get back to me on that one.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
Maybe because hyperinflation has absolutely nothing to do with government debt.
There is also absolutely no need for Japan to default on its debt regardless of interest rates.
en.wikipedia.org...
The statement that Japan can pay any interest rate without a threat of default is contradictory to basic common sense. No economist OR math teacher OR finance industry worker will agree with you on that. You are totally reckless with your claims.
Has Japan just lost a major war, owe it's debt in a foreign currency and just had its main industries seized by France? If not then the comparison with the Weimar Republic dosent really hold.
I didn't say that a Japan can pay any interest rate, I said a change in interest rate would not lead to default. Japan is sovereign issuer of its own currency it can issue debt at whatever interest rate it chooses to and even buy the debt itself. And before you worry about this being hyperinflationry this is largely what Japan has been doing for a number of years.
originally posted by: fractal5
Hyperinflation is highly correlated with high government debt loads regardless of the nature of the spending. If Trump does increase the USA debt load, he puts the country at risk of hyperinflation. Zimbabwe had a very sharp spike to 140% about the same time hyperinflation was taking hold (source: Trading Economics website). Japan's 230% debt-GDP ratio mean the economy will almost certainly see hyperinflation at some point in the near future because of the correlation. Japan will print the money to pay off the debt, and then all hell will break lose. From my perspective only money velocity going down can be staving off hyperinflation in Japan, but the moment that velocity stop decreasing its over for Japan. I have not looked at their money velocity numbers but I'm willing to place a bet that velocity is going down. I seriously doubt any country has face a 200% ratio without hyperinflation though have not looked at the historical data to verify that.
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: fractal5
The people who have gone through hyperinflation including those in Zimbabwe and Germany know that a high government debt load does lead to hyperinflation in many cases, because hyperinflation actually does have a lot to do with government debt. Government debt is the most common reason a government will print excess money into circulation. Try a basic web search for Wiemar Republic inflation and get back to me on that one.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
Maybe because hyperinflation has absolutely nothing to do with government debt.
There is also absolutely no need for Japan to default on its debt regardless of interest rates.
en.wikipedia.org...
The statement that Japan can pay any interest rate without a threat of default is contradictory to basic common sense. No economist OR math teacher OR finance industry worker will agree with you on that. You are totally reckless with your claims.
Has Japan just lost a major war, owe it's debt in a foreign currency and just had its main industries seized by France? If not then the comparison with the Weimar Republic dosent really hold.
I didn't say that a Japan can pay any interest rate, I said a change in interest rate would not lead to default. Japan is sovereign issuer of its own currency it can issue debt at whatever interest rate it chooses to and even buy the debt itself. And before you worry about this being hyperinflationry this is largely what Japan has been doing for a number of years.
I've read two different articles that both had experts saying Japan would be hard pressed to pay even 0.25% higher interest rate on its bonds without a debt default. However, I could not find the links. The only change in Japan bond interest rates that wouldn't lead to a collapse would be a decrease in interest rates.
I just gave you the data on Zimbabwe that proving that their high debt load is correlated with their hyperinflation. As for Germany is that not common knowledge that they underwent hyperinflation with a high debt load? The data show hyperinflation and high debt are correlated.
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: fractal5
Hyperinflation is highly correlated with high government debt loads regardless of the nature of the spending. If Trump does increase the USA debt load, he puts the country at risk of hyperinflation. Zimbabwe had a very sharp spike to 140% about the same time hyperinflation was taking hold (source: Trading Economics website). Japan's 230% debt-GDP ratio mean the economy will almost certainly see hyperinflation at some point in the near future because of the correlation. Japan will print the money to pay off the debt, and then all hell will break lose. From my perspective only money velocity going down can be staving off hyperinflation in Japan, but the moment that velocity stop decreasing its over for Japan. I have not looked at their money velocity numbers but I'm willing to place a bet that velocity is going down. I seriously doubt any country has face a 200% ratio without hyperinflation though have not looked at the historical data to verify that.
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: fractal5
The people who have gone through hyperinflation including those in Zimbabwe and Germany know that a high government debt load does lead to hyperinflation in many cases, because hyperinflation actually does have a lot to do with government debt. Government debt is the most common reason a government will print excess money into circulation. Try a basic web search for Wiemar Republic inflation and get back to me on that one.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
Maybe because hyperinflation has absolutely nothing to do with government debt.
There is also absolutely no need for Japan to default on its debt regardless of interest rates.
en.wikipedia.org...
The statement that Japan can pay any interest rate without a threat of default is contradictory to basic common sense. No economist OR math teacher OR finance industry worker will agree with you on that. You are totally reckless with your claims.
Has Japan just lost a major war, owe it's debt in a foreign currency and just had its main industries seized by France? If not then the comparison with the Weimar Republic dosent really hold.
I didn't say that a Japan can pay any interest rate, I said a change in interest rate would not lead to default. Japan is sovereign issuer of its own currency it can issue debt at whatever interest rate it chooses to and even buy the debt itself. And before you worry about this being hyperinflationry this is largely what Japan has been doing for a number of years.
I've read two different articles that both had experts saying Japan would be hard pressed to pay even 0.25% higher interest rate on its bonds without a debt default. However, I could not find the links. The only change in Japan bond interest rates that wouldn't lead to a collapse would be a decrease in interest rates.
If you are reading articles claiming a 0.25% increase in interest rates would lead to a default then I would suggest that you stop reading articles written by idiots. Japan has paid much higher rates before and not defaulted. It also ignores the rather important point that Japan can and does set its own interest rates and that as the issuer of its own currency it can not be made to default ( certainly not by a 0.25% increase).
The idea that a high debt to GDP ratio leads to hyperinflation inflation is rather at odds with reality as Japan has struggled with lack of demand and too low an inflation rate for years. It has been the outright policy of Japan to create more inflation in the system.
There is no direct correlation between high debt to GDP and hyperinflation (although countries with hyperinflation will normally have high debt levels the causation is pretty much the reverse of what you suggest). There is however a 100% correlation between countries experiencing hyperinflation having a major supply side shock.