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Trump's reversal on ObamaCare

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posted on Nov, 16 2016 @ 11:03 AM
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President-elect Donald Trump is already signaling that he might backpedal on his promise to repeal the Affordable Care Act, telling the Wall Street Journal Friday...

Here's why Trump is already waffling on ObamaCare



President-elect Donald Trump appeared open Friday to compromising on his oft-repeated pledge to repeal and replace Obamacare -- citing a conversation with none other than President Barack Obama himself.

Trump appears open to compromise on ObamaCare



Trump is starting to backpedal on his campaign promises

Trump stuns with ObamaCare reversal


Wow, at this rate, this will be Trump's "Wall".


edit on 16-11-2016 by CryHavoc because: (no reason given)




posted on Nov, 16 2016 @ 11:13 AM
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This was obvious

The big win for Obamacare, the centerpiece is pre-existing conditions are fine.

that is huge and the thing most ppl like. now, the only possible way that will continue on, and Trump has stated that would remain, is through the thing people hated most about Obamacare, the mandate.

So, voila...he is about to get schooled.

My prediction, he will do some very minor adjustments simply as a token, label it Trumpcare, and voila, the right wing will call it a glorious achievement.

I guess he was shown that without Obamacare, the premium costs by now would be far more than the raise that is being issued coming up, and with no kickback.

I don't mind Trump going back on his words..on all his words during the campaign. It was one of the calming things for me during the cycle is that regardless of the absolute rubbish he was saying, he had no actual intention of doing any of it..he just wants the potus as legacy and so used (as he said) populism to bring him into the house...that's it. I don't believe he actually has any plans and is just gonna wing it for 4 years to see what happens..but he already attained the only goal he concerned himself with...being taught in history class for hundreds of years.



posted on Nov, 16 2016 @ 11:17 AM
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a reply to: CryHavoc

It's easy to say things, but hard to do them. You can't walk in and with the swipe of a pen, change or eliminate the ACA. It can't work like that, and it won't. But what can be done is to study it, learn what will and won't work, and then make changes.

Those who understand "vision" don't seem to have an issue with this.



posted on Nov, 16 2016 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: SaturnFX

I am hoping that with some business thinking, bringing in competition will reduce rates and make things closer to when insurance really was "affordable".



posted on Nov, 16 2016 @ 11:21 AM
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Trump said he would keep parts of it as to not cause a massive disruption, particularly for people with pre-conditions and children living with their parents for an extended period.

That doesn't sound like backpedaling to me, it shows Trump is flexible and that's a good thing.



posted on Nov, 16 2016 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: network dude
what can be done is to study it, learn what will and won't work, and then make changes.

Basically what Hillary was stating
I really hated this election cycle.

Trump will be a 1 term president (Hillary also would have been. 2 of the most reprehensible people). I hope we have learned something in the meantime and start rewarding thoughtfulness and a intelligent way to approach complicat.....USA USA USA!!!

nevermind
edit on 16-11-2016 by SaturnFX because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 16 2016 @ 11:22 AM
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a reply to: SaturnFX


I 100% agree. he just wants the potus legacy. I also believe he wants to create a dynasty for his kids. I've been saying this from day one. his supporters, imo, are the ones he should be worried about turning on him at some point, and I don't think it'll be pretty.

to the op, LOL, on the wall picture. omg too funny!



posted on Nov, 16 2016 @ 11:22 AM
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a reply to: CryHavoc


At this rate this will be Trumps website.


Can we know move on ?
January will come soon enough.



posted on Nov, 16 2016 @ 11:23 AM
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originally posted by: BlueShaman
That doesn't sound like backpedaling to me, it shows Trump is flexible and that's a good thing.


"That's not poop, that's spent biomass in tube form"



posted on Nov, 16 2016 @ 11:24 AM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: CryHavoc

It's easy to say things, but hard to do them. You can't walk in and with the swipe of a pen, change or eliminate the ACA. It can't work like that, and it won't. But what can be done is to study it, learn what will and won't work, and then make changes.

Those who understand "vision" don't seem to have an issue with this.


The excuses start flowing.

After months of hearing the perpetuated myth of "Donald being an outsider," "he's going to shake things up," this is hilarious.

He's as much an "outsider," as Obama was. His actions - not his words - are what matter.

But I don't know, I seem to be the only one who feels this way. Donald can say this and say that but until he actually DOES it, he's just shooting off his voicebox.

It'll be interesting to see what Trump actually does versus what he said he would do... and even better yet, the rampant excuses/deflections that his supporters will come up with along the way. (Probably just blame the evil Commie lefties and their vast left-wing conspiracy lol).



posted on Nov, 16 2016 @ 11:25 AM
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originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: BlueShaman
That doesn't sound like backpedaling to me, it shows Trump is flexible and that's a good thing.


"That's not poop, that's spent biomass in tube form"

If Trump was stubborn and unwilling to make compromises, you would still be complaining.



posted on Nov, 16 2016 @ 11:26 AM
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originally posted by: BlueShaman
Trump said he would keep parts of it as to not cause a massive disruption, particularly for people with pre-conditions and children living with their parents for an extended period.

That doesn't sound like backpedaling to me, it shows Trump is flexible and that's a good thing.


LoLOLOLOL he's "flexible."

Going directly against your own campaign promises is an intelligent and "good," move because it means he's "flexible."

You mean he LIED? Very distinct difference. Being flexible/malleable is one thing but this is outright going against something he proposed and "promised."

Now his cultists are left to pick up the pieces in his defense... classy.



posted on Nov, 16 2016 @ 11:27 AM
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originally posted by: network dude
Those who understand "vision" don't seem to have an issue with this.


And the rest of us see that he lied out his backside to get your vote. Classic!



posted on Nov, 16 2016 @ 11:27 AM
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originally posted by: BlueShaman

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: BlueShaman
That doesn't sound like backpedaling to me, it shows Trump is flexible and that's a good thing.


"That's not poop, that's spent biomass in tube form"

If Trump was stubborn and unwilling to make compromises, you would still be complaining.


Damn right. At least he would have logical consistency on his side and wouldn't appear to be a sell-out to the establishment.

But he's flexible, so who cares what he ACTUALLY does? He tells me what I want to hear!!



posted on Nov, 16 2016 @ 11:27 AM
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originally posted by: BlueShaman

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: BlueShaman
That doesn't sound like backpedaling to me, it shows Trump is flexible and that's a good thing.


"That's not poop, that's spent biomass in tube form"

If Trump was stubborn and unwilling to make compromises, you would still be complaining.


Damn right. At least he would have logical consistency on his side and wouldn't appear to be a sell-out to the establishment.

But he's flexible, so who cares what he ACTUALLY does? He tells me what I want to hear!!



posted on Nov, 16 2016 @ 11:28 AM
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originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: SaturnFX


I 100% agree. he just wants the potus legacy. I also believe he wants to create a dynasty for his kids.

He actually screwed it up.
a dynasty would have come if he lost. he would have claimed "rigged", talked about how he is the only truth and the system will always choose verses let the process decide, etc.

Now, he will instead be judged for his actions..he is floundering because the whole idea was to get the media company going and the next generation to be the information tycoon.
Now...its just about him, and if he screws up (and he will I reckon..his plans have no viable way to implement) it will become a Carter style embarrassment and hurt brand.

He should have dropped out right at the last week if that was his plan, citing he wouldn't take part in the staged show any longer and instead will become the beacon of truth with the new TrumpTV or whatever the hell his son was working on.



posted on Nov, 16 2016 @ 11:29 AM
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Here's the thing... what the ACA was created to do was to prevent hospitals from absorbing huge losses from un/under-insured people. Because these people had no insurance they were increasingly ending up in Emergency Departments for basic treatment. Hospitals were getting slammed by the financial impact and were closing at alarming rates --- especially in the less affluent/more rural areas. Now the capitalists among you will say, no problem, just pass those losses onto insured people. And that's usually the way businesses work. But unfortunately, it's the insurance companies that decide what they will pay for a given procedure. As a result, hospitals (and care givers in general) can't raise their rates. In most cases they can't even get what their current rates are.

Now Mr. Trump's plan is to replace the ACA with Health Savings Accounts. With an HSA you deposit pre-tax money into these accounts and pay for your heath care when you need it with those monies. So maybe you see the problem here. The ACA serves people who do not get employer-sponsored health insurance and cannot afford to buy retail plans. These people mostly have part-time employment or are un/under employed. So the HSA plan expects people who are making little money to begin with to deposit money in their HSA's and hopefully at a rate that will cover their healthcare needs. Unlikely at best. Delusional at worst. Or we can just dump the ACA altogether (as most of the loudest critics demand) and just let hospitals continue to fail and close. And just hope it's not you that finds themselves having to drive 150 miles to the 'nearest' hospital at 3am with your sick child.

Things are never as simple as some of the pointed-headed want to believe.



posted on Nov, 16 2016 @ 11:31 AM
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a reply to: SaturnFX

Let's be honest.

He isn't going to change Sh*& about Obamacare except the name...it's now called "Trumpcare"..

Just slap your name on it and take credit...just like 90% of his properties where he just licensed his name.

The kicker...His followers will be touting Trumpcare as the best thing since Apple-Pie...

the same way conservatives rate the "Affordable Care Act" as good while they rate "Obamacare" as horrific, socialist Armageddon...despite them being the exact same thing.



posted on Nov, 16 2016 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: SaturnFX

yep, towards the end of the campaign I thought he has to win, otherwise his popularity would only grow and become more cult like. this way he'll lose popularity with each promise he doesn't keep.



posted on Nov, 16 2016 @ 11:34 AM
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originally posted by: RomeByFire

Damn right. At least he would have logical consistency on his side and wouldn't appear to be a sell-out to the establishment.

And you would just use it as an excuse to call him a Nazi hellbent on doing things his own way, no matter what the consequences.



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