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Trump does another 180 from the campaign...

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posted on Nov, 14 2016 @ 09:34 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: TheRedneck

You seem confused or unaware. No one is attacking Trump for failing on his promises...only pointing out that he has in recent days walked back those promises..


To me he is listening to and following advisers.

But, how long can that last?




posted on Nov, 14 2016 @ 09:38 PM
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Trump has some nice tactics to get elected, he first made some controversial statements in his presidential campaign to get his popularity up and he became infamous, so the tactics worked well and he got elected, now he can tone down on all his promises and now he gets serious about the job.



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posted on Nov, 14 2016 @ 09:51 PM
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a reply to: Annee

I've decided to give him a year. It's his first time in public office, he will be looking for guidance and it may take him a while to figure out where to get guidance from.

If I do not see improvement in the people he is looking to, in a year, I will probably lose hope.

I want Trump to backpedal, a bit, on a few things. I don't agree with some of his policies that could have a profound effect on people. Hoping he dials it back is far more important to me than being able to say, "HA! He backpedaled!" to his supporters.



posted on Nov, 14 2016 @ 09:51 PM
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originally posted by: mekhanics

Trump has some nice tactics to get elected, he first made some controversial statements in his presidential campaign to get his popularity up and he became infamous, so the tactics worked well and he got elected, now he can tone down on all his promises and now he gets serious about the job.



Who said that?

I think this is a "type" job he's never experienced before.

Can he really muster up that much focus? Is it really in his nature?

edit on 14-11-2016 by Annee because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 14 2016 @ 09:58 PM
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a reply to: angeldoll

See! Thats exactly my point! Its all smiles until that 1st meeting with the standing President/Administration...then they look like theyve seen a ghost.

Like "Oh CRAP!"

Thanks, Angeld MS



posted on Nov, 14 2016 @ 10:00 PM
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a reply to: Annee

It will go against his nature. But that prospect of being a great leader may cause him to go against his nature and actually be thoughtful about what he does.

He has a chance to go down in history as a great president and that ego is yuge. Maybe...maybe it will really matter to him.

Again, I give him a year to get things going and then I will evaluate. He deserves a year given he's never held an elected public office before.



posted on Nov, 14 2016 @ 10:04 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Annee

I've decided to give him a year. It's his first time in public office, he will be looking for guidance and it may take him a while to figure out where to get guidance from.

If I do not see improvement in the people he is looking to, in a year, I will probably lose hope.

I want Trump to backpedal, a bit, on a few things. I don't agree with some of his policies that could have a profound effect on people. Hoping he dials it back is far more important to me than being able to say, "HA! He backpedaled!" to his supporters.


It's counter productive to fight a fight you can't win. And, I'm sure not going to live in negative energy for anyone.

You know: "Accept the things you can not change, change the things you can and recognize the difference?"

My perspective and the things I look for - - are usually different then most people.



posted on Nov, 14 2016 @ 11:07 PM
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originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: mysterioustranger

Yep. They go in the Oval Office smiling and waving the first 72 hours, then come out looking like they have been vomiting. Jimmy Carter and Obama in particular.

Yes Obama looked quite ashen during his first tour of the White House



posted on Nov, 15 2016 @ 12:00 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Contrary to popular media propaganda, most people could really care less where you want to stick your willy wonka. He has been in support of the LGBT community since the start.

He won, and not because all of his supporters are Republicans.

The right vs left on social issues is just about dead. You cannot paint R's and D's with a broad brush anymore.



posted on Nov, 15 2016 @ 12:35 AM
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originally posted by: Winstonian
a reply to: dfnj2015

Contrary to popular media propaganda, most people could really care less where you want to stick your willy wonka. He has been in support of the LGBT community since the start.


No he hasn't.

Yes, I know, he displayed a Rainbow flag. You think because he displayed a flag and and tells an audience what they want to hear, that he supports LGBT?

He used LGBT to blame immigrants and attack Hillary.

Trump Calls Himself a Champion of Gay Rights. Hang On a Second.



During his 75-minute speech at the Republican National Convention in July, Donald Trump looked genuinely surprised at the roar of applause when he said, "As your president, I will do everything in my power to protect LGBTQ citizens."

Momentarily going off script, Trump added, "I have to say, as a Republican, it is so nice to hear you cheering for what I just said. Thank you."

Since the Orlando gay nightclub shooting in June, which killed 49 people, Trump has portrayed himself as a warrior for gays while accusing his rival Hillary Clinton of being weak on terror and taking money from countries with bad records on gay equality. He has used the massacre to double down on his promise to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the United States. Ads by ZINC

"The bottom line is that the only reason the killer was in America in the first place was because we allowed his family to come here," Trump said after the massacre. (The gunman was an American citizen who reportedly declared his allegiance to the leader of ISIS during the attack.) "Clinton wants to allow radical Islamic terrorists to pour into our country—they enslave women and murder gays. I don't want them in our country."

"I'm much better for the gays," he told Fox News at the time. (National gay rights groups roundly disagreed.) www.motherjones.com...



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posted on Nov, 15 2016 @ 01:53 AM
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originally posted by: Annee
Yes, I know, he displayed a Rainbow flag. You think because he displayed a flag and and tells an audience what they want to hear, that he supports LGBT?


Never let the facts get in the way of an opinion that supports a distorted view.

Trump considering openly gay man as U.N. ambassador, woman to head RNC




The president-elect was considering tapping Richard Grenell as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. If picked and ultimately confirmed by the Senate, he would be the first openly gay person to fill a Cabinet-level foreign policy post. Grenell previously served as U.S. spokesman at the U.N. under President George W. Bush's administration.



And if you had done a simple google search, you would have discovered he has a long history of supporting the LBGT community. Take for example this interview from a gay publication in 2000:




Flashback Interview: Trump Defends Gays from Clintons in 2000

Why should gays and lesbians be interested in you as a presidential candidate?
I grew up in New York City, a town with different races, religions, and peoples. It breeds tolerance. In all truth, I don’t care whether or not a person is gay. I judge people based on their capability, honesty, and merit. Being in the entertainment business — that is, owning casinos and … several large beauty pageants — I’ve worked with many gay people. I have met some tough, talented, capable, terrific people. Their lifestyle is of no interest to me.

Would we see gay people in a Trump administration?
I would want the best and brightest. Sexual orientation would be meaningless. I’m looking for brains and experience. If the best person for the job happens to be gay, I would certainly appoint them. One of the key problems today is that politics is such a disgrace, good people don’t go into government. I’d want to change that.

What would you do to combat antigay prejudice?
I like the idea of amending the 1964 Civil Rights Act to include a ban of discrimination based on sexual orientation. It would be simple. It would be straightforward. We don’t need to rewrite the laws currently on the books, although I do think we need to address hate-crimes legislation. But amending the Civil Rights Act would grant the same protection to gay people that we give to other Americans — it’s only fair. I actually suggested this first, and now I see [Democratic presidential candidate] Bill Bradley has jumped on the bandwagon and is claiming the idea as his own. [A bill to amend the Civil Rights Act that would have included protections on the basis of sexual orientation was first introduced in the 1970s. — Ed.] Let me tell you something. Bradley is as phony as a $20 Rolex. He says the president ought to have big ideas. His last big idea — the 1986 [Tax Reform Act] — caused a recession and cost thousands of people their jobs. This guy destroyed the real estate industry, and he tanked the S&Ls. It was a disaster. Bradley walked out of the Senate like he was some kind of statesman declaring that “politics is broken.” The truth is, the voters were going to dump him in New Jersey. He walked away. Now he poses as some kind of outsider. What a joke. Bradley was a member of the Senate Finance Committee and a longtime part of Washington establishment. When I was $900 million and my companies were $9 billion in debt, I didn’t walk away. While others were declaring bankruptcy, I clawed my way back. My businesses are now bigger and better than ever.

Are your gay employees allowed to be out?
Everyone makes a personal choice. Look, it just doesn’t matter to me. I try to treat everybody equal and fairly. Maybe that’s why I can count men like Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, and Sammy Sosa as my friends. When you hang with people who are different from you, you get an appreciation for other cultures.



See also this from the NY Times, which by now everyone knows is NOT a friend to Trump: Donald Trump’s More Accepting Views on Gay Issues Set Him Apart in G.O.P.



His history with the gay community is a long one. He donated to charities focused on the AIDS crisis in the late 1980s and early ’90s. In 2000, when he briefly considered running for president, he gave an interview to The Advocate, a gay magazine, in which he supported amending the 1964 Civil Rights Act to “include a ban of discrimination based on sexual orientation.”

“It would be simple. It would be straightforward,” Mr. Trump said in the interview, adding, “It’s only fair.”

Sixteen years later, gay rights advocates are still trying to persuade Congress to pass a similar measure, but they have struggled to win support, especially from Republicans. The last Republican nominee, Mitt Romney, opposed similar legislation in 2012.


Where was Hilary on gay marriage?




Hillary Clinton’s changing position on same-sex marriage

Clinton came out in support of same-sex marriage in 2013 after more than a decade of opposing it. But her views are particularly in the spotlight now that she is a presidential candidate.




Looks like one of the parties is on record for a significant period of time supporting the LBGT community and the other is just pandering to that community.

I'll put money on which is which from your point of view.

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posted on Nov, 15 2016 @ 01:59 AM
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Donald Trump is just "being good" until January 21st. Him, Ryan and McConnell are speaking frequently (by phone) about the big moves they're going to make on January 21st.

They're smart to keep their tone conciliatory at this point, and to not discuss their plans with media idiots.

Donald Trump is not going to squander away his first 2 years, with a majority in the House/Senate, like Obama did in 2009.
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posted on Nov, 15 2016 @ 02:03 AM
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a reply to: Annee

lol Mother Jones. Please.

You copy and pasted a section that has nothing to do with what we are talking about here.

He said that he would leave it up to the states to decide.

The Federal Government has zero business or authority legislating marriage, straight, gay, or otherwise.

I am anti-gay marriage. I am anti-straight marriage.

Marriage should be 100% left up to the church, as it is a religious based ritual. Giving people an incentive to marry via tax breaks is nonsense, and is discrimination against unmarried citizens.

Stand with me for SUP+ Rights (single unmarried people +)

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posted on Nov, 15 2016 @ 03:52 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Not much he can do on the same sex marriage, it was a SCOTUS issue.



posted on Nov, 15 2016 @ 04:41 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
Considering Jamie Dixon to be treasury secretary made me think Hillary actually won the election. And now this:

"As for same-sex marriage, Trump said after the Supreme Court ruling last year it’s the law of the land -- and that he is “fine” with that being the case.

“It’s irrelevant because it was already settled. It’s law,” he said. “It was settled in the Supreme Court. I mean it’s done … these cases have gone to the Supreme Court. They’ve been settled. And-- I th-- I’m-- I’m fine with that.”

That's at least two major flip-flops in 4 days.

Neither position is a "flip-flop."
You're talking about a guy that attended Elton John's wedding. Trump hasn't done anything anti gay. At most, he's said he supports marriage. Is that anti-gay?

Trump is probably the best the LGBT community could hope for in a Republican and has been throughout his run.

Harte



posted on Nov, 15 2016 @ 06:57 AM
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originally posted by: dismanrc
a reply to: dfnj2015

Not much he can do on the same sex marriage, it was a SCOTUS issue.


So was Citizens United. That didn't stop Hillary from using it as a talking point.

I don't think Trump will do anything about it, nor do I think it's a President's problem anyway. Marriage should not have gone to the SCOTUS for that matter, it is a state issue. Not in the federal Constitution, no matter how many 'emanations' and 'penumbras' are created.

And Trump is not a social issues President.



posted on Nov, 15 2016 @ 07:26 AM
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Congress shall not infringe on freedom of religion.


That's what the 1st Amendment says, not what the First Amendment Defense Act says.



posted on Nov, 15 2016 @ 07:28 AM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

Citizens United is already in the process of appeal. I don't if the movement will succeed, but the issue was on our California ballot and it passed.



posted on Nov, 15 2016 @ 08:07 AM
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a reply to: loam

This is a tactic you will see repeated over the next several years. Leak to the press that x or y liberal is being considered for a post but go far right in the end appointment. It is a PR fake left, punch right.

Dampen criticism around an extreme agenda.

Hope I am wrong, but that is what I have observed in the transition thus far.
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posted on Nov, 15 2016 @ 08:24 AM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

It is in that it singles out a "particular belief" for special defense.

Congress shall pass NO law......respecting an establishment of religion.



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