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Generally Overlooked (but Critical Clues) about "UFOs" - Part I

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posted on Nov, 19 2016 @ 02:08 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Sorry it just makes me angry and every discussion impossible. "I know people" and that's why I just have to believe you? Why?




posted on Nov, 19 2016 @ 03:12 PM
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a reply to: Peeple



The Rendlesham guy touched the thing. It was physical.


Jim Penniston? Hmm. He actually said he got no closer than 50m in his original witness statement. So not the best of examples I would say. Although in an earlier incident in 1956 at Bentwaters a UFO was seen visually and on radar.
Plenty of other cases as well with radar/visual/trace evidence. But no definitive proof that any were from an ET intelligence.

However I would like to ask Kev if he dismisses the Extra-Terrestrial Hypothesis completely in favour of his equally unproven hypothesis?



posted on Nov, 19 2016 @ 08:24 PM
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a reply to: Peeple

I'm not asking you to believe me. I'm simply stating that i have good reason (in my view) for me to believe myself.

Be happy. Live your life. No reason to be angry.

Go out and prove me wrong...

Whatever you like.

Kev



posted on Nov, 19 2016 @ 08:34 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

It's like i say all the time.

I find zero evidence that a traditional nuts and bolts craft has made it to Earth so far.

Of course it could happen tomorrow.

I just find that possibility very remote, for all the standard reasons plus some of my own.

I don't get this fixation on 1% of 4% of the known Universe. But i suppose its understandable since we apparently live in that 0.0004 of the universe.

Of course as you know, it is my pov that intelligent plasma life forms visit us. But thats not ships, at least not for very long. (The materialization is pretty much a temporary effect).

That's my view.

Kev



posted on Nov, 19 2016 @ 08:40 PM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: surnamename57

... It lets me live in the bunny hole full time, without paying the usual price for doing so.

Kev


No, of course, you are not paying the usual price for doing so, but that's because you might not know the scale of the deception your Phenomenon has been practicing on yourself.

Do I need a SarcMark here?

edit on 19 11 2016 by surnamename57 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 19 2016 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: surnamename57

I gave you a star for that response.

We all do the best that we can, and on an absolute scale we are all functionally wrong.

The only positive thing that anyone can do is to not push their false ignorance on others. Discuss yes. But there is a line.

Of course some ignorance is more helpful than other ignorance.

For example scientific ignorance is nearly always superior to religious ignorance which is nearly universally toxic and designed to control us.

Kev



posted on Nov, 19 2016 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: surnamename57

I gave you a star for that response.

We all do the best that we can, and on an absolute scale we are all functionally wrong.

The only positive thing that anyone can do is to not push their false ignorance on others. Discuss yes. But there is a line.

Of course some ignorance is more helpful than other ignorance.

For example scientific ignorance is nearly always superior to religious ignorance which is nearly universally toxic and designed to control us.

Kev


Sorry, I was being sarcastic.



posted on Nov, 19 2016 @ 09:02 PM
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a reply to: surnamename57

I think so.

Kev



posted on Nov, 20 2016 @ 06:06 AM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Joining back in out of the blue, but just wondering/theorising (and trying to grasp):

It seems the phenomena, according to your model and research, is rooted into the individual's consiousness (our own quantum computer), but in some cases multiple people see the same thing (or slight variations) and in other cases they see totally different things.

Does that imply there is a connection between each individual? Cause in that case I would theorise, if there is, everyone would see exactly the same. If there wouldn't be a "connection"/bond people wouldn't see manifestations at the same time. So would it be safe to say there's some sort of "weak entanglement" taking place as well, or does everyone has simular mindsets? In fact this would take some deep psychological research for each witness, which I believe JV touches in some things I've allready red.

Reading between the lines, indeed I still have a problem with the "parasitic" nature or "external actor". I would rather (want to) call things "threads" or "unclosed processes", but since this wouldn't make sense in the connection part I wanted to hear your take on it.

Not being critical, cause I've gained a lot of insights, but challenging something (if it isn't for the 100th you need to repeat yourself) never hurts does it?



posted on Nov, 20 2016 @ 08:08 AM
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Hey Kev!

Been following along and have a couple of questions.

The dumb one first! LOL
Now while all three of these words are "plain english" I tried googling first and for the life of me I have no idea of the meaning? I am also assuming like in many specialized fields it means something totally different than you'd expect.
What is "alien post-singularity" please?

Secondly,
While I'm listening hard, I'm having trouble reconciling all the different forms of "IT" that have manifested as being plasma entities. Not that they aren't, but, and I'm asking this poorly, if you are in the presence of something plasma
wouldn't it be fairly toxic, hazardous physically? I have limited knowledge of plasma properties but burning ozone comes to mind? There are different types of plasma than plasma weapons and propulsion systems? Sorry for my ignorance.

I'm however totally on board with whatever "it" is manipulating our 5/6 senses and warping our perspective by using whatever psychological "hook" will work on an individual. The position I have always taken is I want to see "it" in it's actual form not as what's "projected" so I reject the first multiple variations knowing they are "junk" and window dressing. While I'm sure I have yet to see it s it really is, I've seen many of it's fake manifestations and I used to think eventually it would run out of them, but I was wrong.

You've mentioned yourself as a "failed shaman" but to protect yourself from "it" one of the first steps is to ditch your own internal baggage, know your own thoughts 100% so as to be able to tell 'what's yours versus what isn't" It's part of the shamanic teachings to eliminate unintended influence by "IT". (BTW that little feat is neither easy or pleasant)
Actually it was my understanding that was a prerequisite to interacting with "IT".



posted on Nov, 20 2016 @ 08:25 AM
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a reply to: Peeple

Your first post in the thread was amazing.

People know what they know.
I certainly am not going to link you to 50 years of every book or internet article I've read, or dig up every lecture and seminar I've been to to qualify anything I have to say on a subject. Neither am I going to delve into every experience with high strangeness just to convince you I have some experience with it.

To introduce some types of information and credit that it was a collaboration you have to let folks know you've discussed it extensively with "unnamed others". To name them in connection with some types of information you'd have to have their explicit permission, which is not always given, so they remain nameless.

People own their own ideas and information and ethically that has to be respected.
I don't see where KPB is being cagey or elusive in NOT naming who he's gotten it from, just being ethical in making sure we know he's done some collaboration in what he's discussing.



posted on Nov, 20 2016 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: Caver78

I'm criticising the exact opposite that he is name dropping and pointing towards discussions he had instead of delivering any content.

His response to my first post was "disagree 100%" how on Earth am I supposed to have a conversation with him if he hits me with a wall like that?
And ever since it's repeating variations of "Vallée and other super important people I know and you don't make me right and you don't deserve a fact-based answer".



posted on Nov, 20 2016 @ 10:47 AM
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a reply to: Peeple

There are no fact-based answers in UFOlogy, as there are no "UFOs", except in the sense that there are unidentified or mispercieved phenomenon. There is also ONE Phenomenon (or so people say) which sometimes is said to be involved.

If you take out UAPs which are real (such as Hessalden lights), then no UFOs (in terms of something real) have ever existed at all, in the past or present. Maybe one will show up in the future. I doubt it. We will likely colonize this entire gakaxy and never meet one.

Black project craft are definitely overhyped and are not real UFOs either.

The entire field of UFOlogy is merely the study of deception since 1947 or so if you limit it to human agents.

That's it.

That's why I say that my field is not UFOlogy (it isn't).


I'm not that interested in human deception. I'm also not that interested in black project talk. There could be an entire "human star fleet" out there and i wouldn't be terribly interested. And it wouldn't matter much even if it were true.

Now as to name dropping...

Because you have been acting "passionate" let's call it, and because i had thought we were friends, I'm going to go against my better instincts and write a new thread to discuss "Insider Syndrome" let's call it.

Perhaps you will then understand better. Perhaps not.

But if you were in frequent contact with one or more of the "insiders" (famous authors is what that amounts to), then you too would be in the uncomfortable situation of wanting to say things but not wanting to say things.

There is nothing famous people value more than their privacy, and if you betray that, you lose a friend. And brilliant friends are in short supply.

Kev



posted on Nov, 20 2016 @ 11:39 AM
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a reply to: Peeple

OK...
To tone this down some ( had my morning tea)

There's plenty of content, it's just not what most people expected.

However...what KPB is theorizing DOES fit the phemom in question. Is it the ultimate answer? I have no idea.
But I'm looking at the parts that match my experiences and considering his POV.

My attitude is you throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. It doesn't alter one thing to speculate and examine things from every angle, even ones I wouldn't normally consider. I'm not going to pretend I understand even the meaning of "plasma beings" because I'm not versed in it, but I get the general gist of it.

Doesn't matter what famous people he's connected to, or has spoken to. I'm conversing with him not them.
Plus there is no real likelihood I'm EVER going to contact them either. So it's moot.

This subject matter is hard enough without us NOT trying to find common ground. I don't have to understand plasma energy or how it works to acknowledge it's a likely possibility that's what Orbs consist of. Were my perceptions thru sight, sound, ect messed with?
Absolutely.
Do these things "connect" to you?
again...I'd have to say yes.

So I'm listening and considering.



posted on Nov, 20 2016 @ 12:18 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

You know I like you, it isn't and never was personal I just find it frustrating. And I assume you can understand that?

Let me try another question: The COMETA report concluded it is intelligent (controlled), it does leave physical traces, not just radiation but also metal objects, how does that fit in the unphysical approach you're taking?
Or Dr.Leir and the implants?

As everyone else I just want to find answers and it is rare to find someone with whom one can discuss this who isn't a total nut.
However the only thing that bothers me is you seem so certain. How is that? Because I have several issues with it just being deception from living memes. And even the living plasma thing would not answer the question why does it interfere with the military, or us in general? And generate objects like the implants etc.

I'm a colourful dumbass, passionate if you'd want to be polite which would be totally uncalled for. Don't be offended.



posted on Nov, 20 2016 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

I like being challenged, if it's done without anger and frustration. Good questions improve the research or debunk part of it, both which are good.

As far as "parasitic or external actor" I've also struggled with that for years.

It's all a matter of perspective. It shifts as ones sense of self shifts. And when studying this type of stuff your sense of self shifts repeatedly, until you learn the trick of it all. Its just like with "the UFO delusion". Ill spell that out another time.

Now to the quantum weirdness part of it...I've studied that for years.

Now im not going to get into the hypothetical Penrose and Hammerhoff stuff here...maybe in another post.

I'm not saying that there aren't drips of room temperature quantum processing in the body..it seems there is. But for purposes of our discussion that might be irrelevant.

In my view/experience, humans are in a symbiotic relationship with what some call "the Other". What the "Other" is, is beyond the scope of this response (may be ineffable to be honest).

But if you must, lets call "the Other" the basic sentience inherent in aspects of the "Mega Universe". (Don't want to incur multiverse mysticism by saying multiverse).

The next component to discuss is "The Phenomenon".

The Phenomenon is functionally a subcomponent of perhaps exotic matter/energy which interacts with human nervous systems.

The Phenonenon seems to act as a classical/quantum boundary interface.

So you see..it doesn't matter that much how much innate quantum weirdness humans have in their innate physiology.

Everything "strange" flows through the Phenomenon...humans are junior partners in this process.

I hope that was helpful.

Kev



posted on Nov, 20 2016 @ 02:29 PM
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a reply to: Peeple

Any (hypothetical) Phenomenon that lived at the quantum/physical boundary might be able to do anything it wanted, with a few limitations imposed on it, mainly in terms of access to energy sources which would be usable, but not dangerous to their energy matrix, and access to human consciousness (permission issues) which can be seen quite obviously if you study the deepest darkest bits of shamanism, mysticism, religion etc. Things become very obvious.

We physical beings take a our stability for granted...but "information or energy beings" would of necessity evidence unusual behavior not to be corrupted.

Once you figure this out, a great many things become (hypothetically) obvious.

Implants? 99% pure bull#.

Why am i so confident? Easy.

The Phenomenon and i interacted while i was still in the womb. I don't talk about it, because i don't want these kind of wild stories to further the trap of mystical or religious delusion so many suffer from.

When i was 20, i fell in with some hardcore occultists and found myself in a massive occult battle in front of thoudands of people in a stadium. I learned much about the Phenomenon due to this.

Later i became a fully qualified nuclear engineroom supervisor with a security clearance...and I've studied various sciences since i was a little boy.

Later i joined a Kundalini Yoga cult for several decades and attempted to study the "serpent power" (the Phenomenon) in terms of science.

Eventually i experienced what old yogins called you know what...i hate the word. At that point i became much more aware of the deceptive (and true nature) of the phenonenon.

Back something like 20 years ago, i did a little research with scientist that would be called a member of "the Aviary". It was nothing much.

About 3 years ago, i designed a ritual to summon a "UFO", as i was pretty certain what it was. After about 2 days it showed up. (Or it was a complete coincidence).

That rattled me..as while occultists say with certainty that they believe in elementals or demons or whatever...having one (appear to) show up is quite jarring.

So i reached out to my old friend (but we'd grown apart after he got very ill) and he put me in direct contact with Dr. Vallee who came to my house. He is a wonderful person, brilliant and warm and a great hugger too if i may say...so lay off on the accusations of name dropping please. His new wife F******* is also very charming. She has a degree in psuchology if i remember correctly. She took notes.

I have stayed in contact with JV ever since. We have discussed pretty much everything about everything. He will not break NDAs of course. But i can read body language. But i won't betray him. I refuse.

Anything i say comes from me and my background.

I have layer upon layer of "secrets" and confidences to keep.

I try my very best to discuss and interject useful information.

I don't know everything either.

But surely (don't call me Shirley!) you can see at least a little why I'm so confident...if we swapped lives you would be too.

Does that help?

Of course i could be completely wrong...i do admit that often.

But I bet if you had experienced 10% of that you would be a raving Greer given your passionate personality.

I think that I've remained fairly reasonable and stable, everything considered.

Does that help?

Kev



posted on Nov, 20 2016 @ 04:37 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Thank you it does.

What's a bit troubling to me is just (don't hate me for saying that) it touches the very core of every religion ever invented. It basically proves religion is real, I am not saying the god is real or that storyline is the ultimate truth, just that you can cloak in it as much scientific terms as you want the ultimate mystery is what is a human and what wonders lie hidden in the mind. Plus the ominous other.

My experience was two dancing light puppies in the sky and the rest was... religious. I'm not full member of any cult. I refused to get my confirmation when I was 13 I think, and didn't get more catholic ever since, yet the other spoke to me in a very "holy" setting.

I want this to be aliens and ufos to be actual spaceships because the alternative is... troubling.

Don't call me Greer. Crazy bitch okay, but not Greer.



posted on Nov, 20 2016 @ 05:36 PM
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Ok, crazy bitch it is!

Oh, there are spaceships out there too, i think. Way, way, way far away.

It's my personal opinion that let's call it "post-singularity plasma being infested space"
is like a vast empire.. where most if it is inhabited by the Plasmas, and a few worlds
like zoos (like ours) have a new arising of organic life in symbiosis with new, evolving
intelligent plasmas. Rather like a plasma/symbiote prime directive.

Just my opinion, I can't prove it.

There certainly could be pockets of organics out there, that are allowed to spread
to the stars with the illusion of free will. In fact, I think that we might be one of
them.

But it's my opinion that "plasma philanthropy" only goes so far.. that while they
are fascinated by watching a new evolution of their kind, that there would be
a vast pressure for a Borg-like homogeneous empire.

Now in my opinion, this "post singularity plasma" (PSP) Empire is just one layer.

As fascinating as that layer is, I'm most fascinated by the "Other" of course.
Of course speculating about "the Other" is nearly the very definition of
foolish ignorance.

Now regarding "god and religion".

Well you know (I hope) that the purpose of religion (any religion) is to make
us more suitable for the purposes of those "sentient memes". It is completely
and totally rancid.

The most effective psyop of all time was the invention of a soul, immortal
human soul. Wave around that delusion, and you can control the monkeys
for thousands of years.

In my view, the "soul" has to die, or one will be trapped in ignorance
forever. Of course if we don't have "souls" why would that matter,
right?

I really don't want to go into that topic; it takes years of study to deal
with it properly. It's worth a thread all on it's own.

But for purposes of this thread, I agree with you; it would seem quite
depressing that there is no way to escape "the Phenomenon"; it WOULD
be cool if there were Star Trek aliens out there, and we could just
leave Insane Water World, and live happy little lives of rationality
and compassion, free of the vagaries of fate.

I really think that we can.

I think that if we can learn to understand ourselves better, understand
the Phenomenon and "the Other" better, not to mention more black
text science, that it is possible to make something of ourselves,
and to escape this destructive and toxic loop of history that we
are building.

But that's hard work. Not nearly so "free lunch" as having sexy nordic
aliens land on the whitehouse lawn and cure all our problems.

Sorry.

Kev



posted on Nov, 20 2016 @ 05:44 PM
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Lots of UFO's were painted in Renaissance artwork.
I've got this image of Michelangelo painting Spock on the ceiling of the Sistine chapel.







 
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