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originally posted by: ipsedixit
There is a good article in The Independent, from the UK, discussing the deportation programs of President Obama and President-elect Trump. It turns out there is not much difference between them.
originally posted by: seentoomuch
My thoughts on this subject: If they don't have paperwork they should apply for it from Mexico or Central America or Turkey or Iran or Yemen or Pakistan, then jump through all the hoops legally.
originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: goou111
so...out of the 11+ million undocumented/illegal immigrants he's going to focus on the ones that have committed crimes?
That sounds pretty good ^_^
originally posted by: theantediluvian
“What we are going to do is get the people that are criminal and have criminal records, gang members, drug dealers, where a lot of these people, probably two million, it could be even three million, we are getting them out of our country or we are going to incarcerate,” Trump said in an interview with CBS’ “60 Minutes.” “But we’re getting them out of our country, they’re here illegally.”
So exactly what the Obama administration has already been doing? Remember when Trump said this at the Oct 19 debate?
"President Obama has moved millions of people out. Nobody knows about it. Nobody talks about it. But under Obama, millions of people have been moved out of this country. They've been deported,"
Under the Obama administration, millions of people have been deported. The focus has been on criminals. The Obama administration did expand both border patrol and ICE.
If he just said "we're going to keep doing what Obama has been doing" it wouldn't impress his base of course so it has to be stated in a way that sounds like it's radically different because the obvious insinuation is that this is something that will happen in days or even weeks. It doesn't just spin you up though — it makes people think of the "deportation force" going from house to house, ripping men, women and children from homes and dragging them off to a paddy wagon to be transported to overcrowded camps where people are living in horrible conditions and families are torn apart.
This is a misstep that is only going to fuel protests, particularly on the West Coast.
The truth of the matter is that when you deport people, there's a legal process and it takes time, it takes immigration agents, judges, courts, etc. Detaining people requires resources. All of this costs money. The more you do in parallel, the more money it will cost up front. The money will have to be allocated in the budget. etc etc.
Hopefully our President-elect starts to confine his rhetoric to the realities of civics sooner than later.
originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: daskakik
I just finished doing my wifes visa with a pardon.
The first step is a valuntary exit, file for a pardon if you have an illegal entry. Families have a good chance for approvals, with a higher percentage being granted from Mexico.
Then the Visa can be processed. You can apply for the visa before all that and schedual your consular interview and medicam exam.
If in the country already for over a decade, you apply here, with a pardon as well.
The whole process takes about 3 years. My family was separated for that time.
It sucks but its worth it. Citizenship is then possible.
The problem is NO ONE tries to do it the right way so the immigrant community knows more about illegal means that about forms and procedure.
Also they dont want to sacrifice even though people like myself, citizens, are forced to que in line while they have a faster wait time. Marriage to a citizen is actually slower if with an illegal entry though they find it more appealing even if by fraud and an illegal contractual agreement for thousands of dollars better spent on your immigration case.
Time to change that aspect of immigration here an attributed cultural tendency.
originally posted by: Konduit
originally posted by: eisegesis
ICE already has a list of ILLEGALS WITH CRIMINAL RECORDS that certain states are protecting for whatever reason. They have attempted to do the job we pay them to do and have been illegally stonewalled by local governments that are hosting sanctuary cities.
Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton has voiced support for the sanctuary effort in which state and local officials in mostly urban areas choose to harbor illegals with criminal records rather than comply with ICE requests to turn them over or even identify their immigration status. Donald Trump has called for an end to the practice.
Makes sense, since Sanctuary Cities are strategically located to take over the Electoral College.