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Just thought I'd make this an independent thread: Tesla Howitzer

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posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 07:51 PM
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Tesla Howitzer/Electromagnetic Pulse blaster/shield.

www.cheniere.org...
uncletaz.com...
www.clickitnews.com...


basically, it unleashes a huge electromagnetic wave that disrupts all electrical machinery (emp). the energy can also be focused, like a laser, to destroy incoming enemy. The howitzer can also be released as a large impenetrable shield.

You can power it with a MAG (motionless electromagnetic generator, where the coefficient output, some say, can be as high as 5, even a 30 units of energy for every 1 unit of energy input.
jnaudin.free.fr...
www.freerepublic.com...
www.rexresearch.com...

Supposedly, someone's got patents on these ideas, but these patents shouldn't be used to make money. These have been around for a long while, since at least the ancient Atlantis and Raman empires. Also, I"d like to mention that they say the Russians have them and are using them against us. I highly doubt that since the news source is the military, and anything the military says is automatically circumspect in view. The military operates off fear, and saying the Russians have it and are using it on us automatically arouses within us a sense of fear so the military can say we have to do such and such.

[edit on 25-1-2005 by a3s73rg30ne]




posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 07:59 PM
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posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 08:08 PM
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^ what he said


Supposedly, someone's got patents on these ideas, but these patents shouldn't be used to make money. These have been around for a long while, since at least the ancient Atlantis and Raman empires. Also, I"d like to mention that they say the Russians have them and are using them against us.



i find it funny that you say things as if they were true. That this technology exists today, existed and was made by Atlanteans, and that the Russians are using them against us. Russia is one of the US's allies, they have no reason to attack us right now. You cant prove the Atlanteans existed.


You can power it with a MAG (motionless electromagnetic generator, where the coefficient output, some say, can be as high as 5, even a 30 units of energy for every 1 unit of energy input.

You cant make more energy than you put in unless you're converting matter into energy.



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by HowardRoark
If you believe that, I have a wonderful business opportunity for you. It seems that a business partner on mine in Nigeria is having trouble moving some cash out of the country.

Wait, I have a bridge i wanted to sell him.

No? Damn.

How about asian porn? Or a bigger wang?



posted on Jan, 25 2005 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by ZetaGundam007
^ what he said


Supposedly, someone's got patents on these ideas, but these patents shouldn't be used to make money. These have been around for a long while, since at least the ancient Atlantis and Raman empires. Also, I"d like to mention that they say the Russians have them and are using them against us.



i find it funny that you say things as if they were true. That this technology exists today, existed and was made by Atlanteans, and that the Russians are using them against us. Russia is one of the US's allies, they have no reason to attack us right now. You cant prove the Atlanteans existed.


You can power it with a MAG (motionless electromagnetic generator, where the coefficient output, some say, can be as high as 5, even a 30 units of energy for every 1 unit of energy input.

You cant make more energy than you put in unless you're converting matter into energy.


Whoah, you're out there.



posted on Jan, 26 2005 @ 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by ZetaGundam007
You cant make more energy than you put in unless you're converting matter into energy.


Watermill is to River
MEG is to Universe

i cant explain it other way.


PS: no need for tesla howithers, you can modify an old ground radar to emit longitudinal waves and you have same effect.
no wonder russia still uses many of its 'old' radars...



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 12:22 AM
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Zetagunda, nygdan, howardroark:

Here's a direct quotation from the U.S. Secretary of Defense, dealing with the very kind of electromagnetic weapons that you thought was a conspiratorial notion of mine when I wrote about them openly. Feel free to check the reference; it's in the official transcript as cited.

"Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations...It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts."

Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn. Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.

www.earthchangestv.com...

Now would you like ketchup or gravy with your words?



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 11:30 AM
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Yes, I’ve seen that quote before. Can you show me a single, non-Bearden, source, that can show how this could be done ?


No?

Because when it is all said and done, Bearden is an kook who’s ideas have been roundly debunked.


IMO this was just a “Blue Sky” conference. Many ideas were presented, some of them practical, some of them nonsensical, like these.

FWIW, Electromagnetic waves are associated with earthquakes. However the practical aspects of trying to artificially trigger an earthquake with them has never been demonstrated, and with a little thought you would see that.

Think about it. Let’s say you wanted to try to trigger an earthquake. What information would you need?

Well you would need to have a specific location with enough potential strain built up to actually be able to move. The strain would have to be built up enough so that any added energy would be enough to trigger an earthquake.

You would need to get as close to this point as possible. Remember (something that Bearden always forgets) energy dissipates in an inverse square ratio.

Then you would need to know the actual frequency necessary to trigger the earthquake.

As you go along this scenario, you will see that the prerequisites for something that has never even been proven to work go far into the impractical range.

It would be easier to simply drill a hole into the fault zone and inject waste fluids or just detonate an explosive.

In any event. Irregardless of the quote, scalar weapons MEG, etc. are still bunk.



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by HowardRoark
Yes, I’ve seen that quote before. Can you show me a single, non-Bearden, source, that can show how this could be done ?
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"Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations...It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts."

isnt that self explanatory?
using electromagnetic waves to conduct weather wars!
NO need for tom bearden here



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 08:03 PM
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Watermill is to River
MEG is to Universe

i cant explain it other way.


MEG = ?
sorry, cant think clearly now.



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by ZetaGundam007

Watermill is to River
MEG is to Universe

i cant explain it other way.


MEG = ?
sorry, cant think clearly now.

sorry for a confusion, i'll try to make myself clear here:

windmill converts air's kinetic energy into useful energy like electricity.
we can say that windmill converts kinetic energy into electric energy.

and here we can say that MEG (Motionless Electromagnetic Generator) converts electromagnetic energy into electricity.


MEG doesnt produce more than it takes in just like a windmill because of one law - Output is always less or equal to Input.



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by titus

Originally posted by HowardRoark
Yes, I’ve seen that quote before. Can you show me a single, non-Bearden, source, that can show how this could be done ?
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"Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations...It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts."

isnt that self explanatory?
using electromagnetic waves to conduct weather wars!
NO need for tom bearden here


My problem is that I don't think that quote is all that accurate. As I posted earlier, while there are electromagnetic components to geologic events, using those components to trigger an earthquake is a wholly different matter.

I treat that quote as being similar to the one Tennet made recently about the internet that indicated a glaring misunderstanding of what the internet is. Politicians tend to repeat what their staffers tell them, and sometimes those staffers are misinformed.

Kuchinich's inclusion of the chemtrails hoax into his bill is a classic example of this. Once the fact that chemtrails were a hoax was pointed out to him, he practically broke both ankles trying to backpedal from that gaffe.

The original post on this thread suggested the use of Tesla/Bearden "technology" to accomplish this. Since Bearden is a fraud, that idea is wrong.

If you would like to discuss the possibility of using ordinary EM radiation to trigger an earthquake, by all means lets do that. Just don't try to bring "scalar technology" into the discussion.


I started a new thread on this.

[edit on 28-1-2005 by HowardRoark]

[edit on 28-1-2005 by HowardRoark]



posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 02:34 AM
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Originally posted by HowardRoark

Originally posted by titus

Originally posted by HowardRoark
Yes, I’ve seen that quote before. Can you show me a single, non-Bearden, source, that can show how this could be done ?
.

"Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations...It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts."

isnt that self explanatory?
using electromagnetic waves to conduct weather wars!
NO need for tom bearden here


My problem is that I don't think that quote is all that accurate. As I posted earlier, while there are electromagnetic components to geologic events, using those components to trigger an earthquake is a wholly different matter.

I treat that quote as being similar to the one Tennet made recently about the internet that indicated a glaring misunderstanding of what the internet is. Politicians tend to repeat what their staffers tell them, and sometimes those staffers are misinformed.

Kuchinich's inclusion of the chemtrails hoax into his bill is a classic example of this. Once the fact that chemtrails were a hoax was pointed out to him, he practically broke both ankles trying to backpedal from that gaffe.

The original post on this thread suggested the use of Tesla/Bearden "technology" to accomplish this. Since Bearden is a fraud, that idea is wrong.

If you would like to discuss the possibility of using ordinary EM radiation to trigger an earthquake, by all means lets do that. Just don't try to bring "scalar technology" into the discussion.


I started a new thread on this.

[edit on 28-1-2005 by HowardRoark]

[edit on 28-1-2005 by HowardRoark]


Man, one, this isn't bearden. This is former SECRETARY OF DEFENSE Cohen saying that these things exist. What do you think HAARP is? What do you think ELF is?

Second, how on earth are you going to dismiss the only technology capable of doing it this? That's like saying, show me proof that computers exist, but do it without using electricty. (It's a poor analogy, but you get the idea.)

Come on, man, let's be a little bit more reasonble.



posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 02:39 AM
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Here's the patent on the MEG:


US Patent # 6,362,718

Motionless Electromagnetic Generator

Patrick , et al.
(March 26, 2002)

Abstract ~
An electromagnetic generator without moving parts includes a permanent magnet and a magnetic core including first and second magnetic paths. A first input coil and a first output coil extend around portions of the first magnetic path, while a second input coil and a second output coil extend around portions of the second magnetic path. The input coils are alternatively pulsed to provide induced current pulses in the output coils. Driving electrical current through each of the input coils reduces a level of flux from the permanent magnet within the magnet path around which the input coil extends. In an alternative embodiment of an electromagnetic generator, the magnetic core includes annular spaced-apart plates, with posts and permanent magnets extending in an alternating fashion between the plates. An output coil extends around each of these posts. Input coils extending around portions of the plates are pulsed to cause the induction of current within the output coils.

Inventors: Patrick, Stephen L. (2511 Woodview Dr. SE., Huntsville, AL 35801); Bearden, Thomas E. (2211 Cove Rd., Huntsville, AL 35801); Hayes, James C. (16026 Deaton Dr. SE., Huntsville, AL 35803); Moore, Kenneth D. (1704 Montdale Rd., Huntsville, FL 35801); Kenny, James L. (925 Tascosa Dr., Huntsville, AL 35802)

Appl. No.: 656313 ~ Filed September 6, 2000
Current U.S. Class: 336/214 ~ Intern'l Class: H01F 027/24
Field of Search: 363/16,24,25,26,56.06,56.08,133,134 336/15,110,155,177,180,213,214,221,222

References Cited (U.S. Patent Documents) ~

2,153,378 (Apr., 1939), Kramer (171/95) ~ 2,892,155 (Jun., 1959), Radus, et al. (324/117) ~ 3,079,535 (Feb., 1963), Schultz (317/201) ~ 3,165,723 (Jan., 1965), Radus (340/174) ~ 3,228,013 (Jan., 1966), Olson, et al. (340/174) ~ 3,254,268 (May., 1966), Radus, et al. (317/14) ~ 3,316,514 (Apr., 1967), Radus, et al. (335/291) ~ 3,368,141 (Feb., 1968), Subieta-Garron (323/44) ~ 3,391,358 (Jul., 1968), Bratkowski, et al. (335/21) ~ 3,453,876 (Jul., 1969), Radus (73/141) ~ 3,517,300 (Jun., 1970), McMurray. ~ 3,569,947 (Mar., 1971), Radus (340/174) ~ 3,599,074 (Aug., 1971), Adams. ~ 4,006,401 (Feb., 1977), de Rivas (323/92)
4,077,001 (Feb., 1978), Richardson (323/92) ~ 4,366,532 (Dec., 1982), Rosa, et al. (363/69) ~ 4,482,945 (Nov., 1984), Wolf, et al. (363/129) ~ 4,554,524 (Nov., 1985), Radus (337/3) ~ 4,853,668 (Aug., 1989), Bloom (336/214) ~ 4,864,478 (Sep., 1989), Bloom (363/16) ~ 4,904,926 (Feb., 1990), Pasichinskyj (323/362) ~ 5,011,821 (Apr., 1991), McCullough (505/1) ~ 5,221,892 (Jun., 1993), Sullivan, et al. (323/362) ~ 5,245,521 (Sep., 1993), Spreen (363/37) ~ 5,327,015 (Jul., 1994), Hacket (505/211) ~ 5,335,163 (Aug., 1994), Seiersen (363/126) ~ 5,694,030 (Dec., 1997), Sato, et al. (323/282)

Other References ~

Raymond J. Radus, "Permanent-Magnet Circuit using a `Flux-Transfer` Principle," Engineers' Digest, 24(1-6) Jan.-Jun. 1963, p. 86.

Robert O'Handley, Modern Magnetic Materials, Principles and Applications, John Wiley & Sons, Inc., 2000, pp. 456-468.

Robert C. Weast, Editor, CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 1978-1979, p. B-50.
Honeywell.com web site, "amorphous metals".

Primary Examiner: Nguyen; Matthew ~ Attorney, Agent or Firm: Friedland; Norman

www.rexresearch.com...


But I guess some people would say show me a lightbulb, but don't use Thomas Edison and don't use the idea of electricity.



posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 09:07 AM
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Having a patent does not mean that something will work as claimed.

I it rather eay to get a patent for a bogus device

In fact scam artists do it all the time. It makes the phony device that they are trying to get you to invest in seem legit, when in fact it is a crock.

Again, just because Cohen said something, doesn't mean it is true. Show me some hard data or research on this. Find me some sceintific papers on how this would be done.


more on how the MEG is B.S.



[edit on 30-1-2005 by HowardRoark]



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