Trump wants to eliminate overtime rules

originally posted by: bill3969Generally it is because of poor products or services, or someone else provided them for cheaper or were better. Thus the market is always fluid and improving.

The best products aren't the most successful. The most competitive ones are. The most competitive products are generally the ones that require repeat purchases. The best products are the ones that last a lifetime.

a reply to: Kettu

He definitely has something like that in mind from what I've been reading, I'd better do a bit more digging on his economic policy.

There are so many companies going to contract labor now it isn't funny. You do not get vacation pay, holiday pay, overtime pay, employee paid half of Social Security deductions, or health insurance. There is usually no retirement benefit either. The pay they give does not reflect the difference in what they save on those things. It sounds good but most times you are loosing out from what the employer used to supply.

Our country has been going backwards for about eight years and people can't even comprehend it is happening. Regular workers don't usually know what all those benefits add up to, they get five bucks an hour more and think it is great. Trump did not start this slide, it has been going on since the crash in 08 when Obama took over. He did nothing to help us with this either.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: seasonal
The Nations academic scores have plummeted since this department was created.

That's ironic. But not unexpected given the effect of bureaucracy. I remember a 7th grade science teacher I had, this saying he lived by and taught in class at the start of the science. He wrote this on the board. KISS. Keep It Simple Stupid.

And it went right in line with what a 3rd grade teacher taught. This big Italian geography teacher with his giant beard. He said always go with your first pick on a multiple choice test. Most of the time it will be right. Only when you try to select a different answer with too much analytical thinking you pick the second answer and get it wrong.

This over analytical thinking is exactly the problem that the bureaucracies like the DOE get into. And it what drives the failure.

We should work 32.

originally posted by: Doomsday1290
We should work 32.

Lots of people are. My wife, for example. Not because she wants to, but because Obama regulations make it too expensive for her to work more than that.

originally posted by: CB328
Inside an article about Trump's economic plans is mentioned that he wants to eliminate overtime laws for employers. What that means for workers is not only that people could work long hours for less pay, but also an end to the 40 hour work week. It has been pointed out before that the overtime requirements for employees working more than 40 hours a week are a big incentive for employers to not overwork their employees. If you take away the threat of having to pay more money per hour, what incentive is there for companies to not overwork their people?

In Japan so many people die from overwork that they invented a word for it. The same thing could happen in the US if Republicans have their way, and most likely they will.

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Anybody who actually works in the low/middle class work force, slash anybody who actually employs these people should understand that this is a good thing.

Prime example; I used to work for homedepot here in Manatee County, Bradenton FL -- and 85% of the employees at the store were required to be "Part Time" employees. With that said, we were all limited to working 30 hours a week. Do you know what home depot did? Worked me every day of the week for 2-6 hour shifts. I could have worked my entire 25 hour work week in three 8 hour shifts, yet they had me on the schedule 7 days in a row. Then made me work 62 hours, 7 days straight, but they put me on the schedule in a way that half of the hours technically fell in the previous pay period, which made it look like I only worked for 30 hours, when I did indeed work double that. All of these laws and regulations are precisely the reason why labor is undervalued and people are working way harder for less pay. If they didn't have to work me part time because they couldn't afford the potential time and a half, than I would have made tremendously more money and had much better schedules.

So basically what home depot did, was force me to work overtime without paying me overtime. That's what mandatory overtime laws do. It sounds good on paper, you go yeah -- if someone works over 40 hours, time and a half is great for them -- but the reality is, they end up working the same hours and just get beat on the money anyway -- the company favorites get shifted into overtime and make all the money.

The more regulations the government puts on business, the more expensive it is for the business to operate, so that raises costs, which lowers wages. What the average american doesn't realize is -- that a company is putting in bids for employees, and each employee is their own business selling their labor. So in a totally free market, you can leave home depot and go to someone else who bids higher for your labor. When the market is constricted with regulations, all businesses have the same cost increase, which means that Lowe's can't offer you more than Home depot, and that causes STAGNATION.

If I were Trump; I'd author an official educational series that explains how the world works at the macro level and make all of that information available for free, because the number one hurdle to economics is poor educational awareness on how it all works, and the causes and effects of regulation policy.

We need to take the power away from government and give it back to the people. I need to be able to quit when a wage isn't competitive, but I can't, because the general reason the wage isn't competitive is the same reason why the alternate job can't offer me a competitive wage also. So it boils down to there being no actual difference to the employee between Home Depot and it's Competitor Lowes.

Free market only works when it's free, regulations are the anti-thesis of free market. Regulations are literally what turn Capitalism [which is proven to work] into Crony Capitalism [which is proven not to work.]

Themoreyouknow.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
Lots of people are. My wife, for example. Not because she wants to, but because Obama regulations make it too expensive for her to work more than that.

If she wants to work more, she could always take a paycut. Work for the same wage, over a longer time. That's what repealing these overtime regulations will end up doing.

And before you say I don't know what I'm talking about, I know exactly what regulations you're referring to. They mandate overtime on lower paid salary employees. Where the employees before were clocking say 50 hours a week (with pay, but no overtime bonus), their companies are now capping them at 40 because they can't pay the overtime. So the person sees a reduction in their income of 20%.

There's another side to this though. Many of us don't want to see our work week increase out of the expectation that there's more work to be done. If a company has 60 hours of work for a position, we would rather see it split 40/20 between two people.

We don't live to work, or live to serve the company. Even people who want their company to succeed have limits. It shouldn't become an expectation that we put in 50, 60, or 70 hours a week for a company for a linear reward.

It reminds me of another poster here, who thinks everyone is lazy. His company has had an on call position open for over a year now, paying 80k to start, and he thinks it's ridiculous that no one will fill it. Never mind the fact that it's still 40 hours/week in addition to 24/7 on call. If you want to make those types of demands on peoples time, pay them properly for it and someone will accept.

The US already has one of the longest work weeks in the world, out of developed countries only the Japanese work longer than we do. We don't need to be making it even longer.

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November 14, 2016

Overtime laws are killing businesses and employees at the same time. Many of our people would love to get extra hours but are restricted by stupid laws - at the same time we need to hire people to fill the required time and run them through the same expensive training program. It's a burden on both parties short and long term.

I am Ok with the law protecting certain workers based on their income-law like exempt Vs non-exempt status when you have a certain level of income but overtime protection doesn't work well in our modern times.

a reply to: CB328

Has anyone compiled any evidence that employees are happier with their salary in places with overtime regulations than those without overtime regulation. Once again we have guess-based politics pretending people know when they don't.

Never mind its a violation of peoples private business life to control their work for any specific number of hours any any specific wage. Actually if it isn't your money, it isn't your business. Literally. Its literally none of your business what my contract is between me and the businesses I want to work for.

So not only are you violating people's property rights, but you are doing so without justification in the first place. We do not have civilization at all with that kind of process. No justification and after decades of this policy, did anyone bother to find out if it you know, worked or something?

Hmmm, some interesting replies to this thread. At first glance I expected everyone to be opposed to eliminating overtime, but to my surprise many make arguments to the contrary.

In my experience, eliminating overtime causes further exploitation of low skilled workers. Applying this to high skilled workers is not really apt, as the scarcity/uniqueness of high skilled workers allows them the luxury to dictate how much they work and what services they will provide for their employer. However, low skilled workers are at the mercy of the employer. Their positions can be filled with a 1,000 others lined up right behind them, just waiting to take their place.

Salary is usual something that only applies to high skilled workers so overtime changes are irrelevant to them.

In a society where the employee has the power and can pick and choose the job they like (or more to the point, no job at all), a reduction in regulations favouring employers is not such a bad idea. The society we have is a far cry from that one. Employees have little to no power as it is, so further stripping away these protections is sheer lunacy. All that will happen is that more people will be forced to work longer hours for less.

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I'm ok with this. I don't like overtimecwork anyway

originally posted by: Firsttimer
I'm ok with this. I don't like overtimecwork anyway

It's not eliminating overtime work. It's eliminating overtime pay. Because some people want to work for over 40 hours for their company for no additional reward beyond their usual rate.

a reply to: Aazadan

So you were able to find a source that Trump want's to remove overtime pay?

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: Aazadan

So you were able to find a source that Trump want's to remove overtime pay?

No, but it's something that many (especially people in midwest states) have been wanting for awhile now. At issue is some regulations that went into effect a couple years ago that mandate overtime pay is given for working over 40 hours a week. People want the option of working at a regular wage, but the current laws take that option away.

It's seen as one of the bigger regulations that need repealed for small businesses so they can thrive.

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: CB328


Care to back your statement up with a better source or are you just trolling because your angry?

The GOP have all branches of GOV. You should reserve your vitriol for those in power...as to your question..

TRUMP: "We have to address the issues of over-taxation and over-regulation and the lack of access to credit markets to get our small business owners thriving again. Rolling back the overtime regulation is just one example of the many regulations that need to be addressed to do that.

circa.com...

Don't want to pay more workers overtime? Trump's election is good for you
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Trump and Clinton differ on overtime rule
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Presidential Election Will Decide Fate of Overtime Rule
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* I intentionally provided HR and Benefits sources...not news spin, but people planning payroll and regulations under Trump.

a reply to: raymundoko

Hell yes...Does your computer have an internet search function?

Both he and his advisors have been clear about it.