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originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: dfnj2015
"The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth, commonly referred to as the Jefferson Bible, was a book constructed by Thomas Jefferson in the later years of his life by cutting and pasting with a razor and glue numerous sections from the New Testament as extractions of the doctrine of Jesus. Jefferson's condensed composition is especially notable for its exclusion of all miracles by Jesus and most mentions of the supernatural, including sections of the four gospels that contain the Resurrection and most other miracles, and passages that portray Jesus as divine."
en.wikipedia.org...
"In an 1803 letter to Joseph Priestley, Jefferson stated that he conceived the idea of writing his view of the "Christian System" in a conversation with Dr. Benjamin Rush during 1798–99. He proposes beginning with a review of the morals of the ancient philosophers, moving on to the "deism and ethics of the Jews," and concluding with the "principles of a pure deism" taught by Jesus, "omitting the question of his deity." Jefferson explains that he does not have the time, and urges the task on Priestley as the person best equipped to accomplish the task"
"Jefferson wrote that “Jesus did not mean to impose himself on mankind as the son of God.” He called the writers of the New Testament “ignorant, unlettered men” who produced “superstitions, fanaticisms, and fabrications.” He called the Apostle Paul the “first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus.” He dismissed the concept of the Trinity as “mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.” He believed that the clergy used religion as a “mere contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves” and that “in every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty.” And he wrote in a letter to John Adams that “the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.”
"Therefore, The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth begins with an account of Jesus’s birth without references to angels (at that time), genealogy, or prophecy. Miracles, references to the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus, and Jesus' resurrection are also absent from his collection."
"Rejecting the resurrection of Jesus, the work ends with the words: "Now, in the place where He was crucified, there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid. There laid they Jesus. And rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed." "
Jefferson was a metaphysical naturalist. "Metaphysical naturalism, also called ontological naturalism, philosophical naturalism, and scientific materialism is a worldview, which holds that there is nothing but natural elements, principles, and relations of the kind studied by the natural sciences. That is, those required to understand our physical environment by mathematical modelling. In contrast, methodological naturalism is an assumption of naturalism as a methodology of science, for which metaphysical naturalism provides only one possible ontological foundation. Broadly, the corresponding theological perspective is religious naturalism or spiritual naturalism. More specifically, metaphysical naturalism rejects the supernatural concepts and explanations that are part of many religions."
deism - belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe. The term is used chiefly of an intellectual movement of the 17th and 18th centuries that accepted the existence of a creator on the basis of reason but rejected belief in a supernatural deity who interacts with humankind.
I don't think Jefferson was a born-again type Christian.
Imagine a newspaper with no articles, only advertisements.
Imagine a Bible without the supernatural.
Not heretical, simply a waste of time.
As for all you followers of Paul the false prophet, you who go by the name Christians and believe you are following the teachings of Christ, you are not. Jefferson was right about Paul, he corrupted Christs teachings and Christians have been decieved for almost 2000 years.
originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: Malocchio
As for all you followers of Paul the false prophet, you who go by the name Christians and believe you are following the teachings of Christ, you are not. Jefferson was right about Paul, he corrupted Christs teachings and Christians have been decieved for almost 2000 years.
"As for all you followers of Paul the false prophet, you who go by the name Christians and believe you are following the teachings of Christ, you are not."
Never a source. Simply mad rantings -- No intelligent dialogue. Simply deranged hatred.
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"Jefferson was right about Paul, he corrupted Christs teachings and Christians have been decieved for almost 2000 years."
More hatred in honoring a slaver. To be expected from this type of mental disorder.
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Proves my point exactly. Even the insane are well read even though they misunderstand that of the authors.
Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as you obey Christ; not only while being watched, and in order to please them, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. Render service with enthusiasm,as to the Lord and not to men and women.
a reply to: Seede I so enjoyed that. Thanks for the opportunity.
originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Seede
It appears the words have broad meanings, which probably by design, notate the current stations of life and that "Those Rulers" carry the same weight as "Servants" to the Lord. Your earthly station or status in the flesh is irrelevant to God.
οἵ δοῦλοι hoi douloi. The word used here denotes one who is bound to render service to another, whether that service be free or voluntary, and may denote, therefore, either a slave, or one who binds himself to render service to another.
τοῖς κυρίοις κατὰ σάρκα] to those, who in a merely human relation are your rulers, i.e. your human masters, whose slaves you are as regards outward temporal position in life.
originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: Malocchio
a reply to: Seede I so enjoyed that. Thanks for the opportunity.
That is quite alright and I am very glad that you did enjoy that. Did you realize what you have done? You used the CEPHER EPH'SIYM which is the Pseudepigraphal Cepher to the Ephesians which is the directive of St. Pauls work. Written from Rome unto the Eph'siym by Tychicus--
Tychicus was the scribe of Paul and wrote Paul's accounts in the letter to Ephesians as Paul dictated. You have simply unwittingly used the bad guy, Paul's work, in trying to prove your misconstrued understanding. And you are pleased with the result of what Paul taught you. I told you Paul was great and now you have shown how great he was.
originally posted by: Malocchio
attention Seede.
Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as you obey Christ; not only while being watched, and in order to please them, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. Render service with enthusiasm,as to the Lord and not to men and women.
originally posted by: infolurker
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: infolurker
Please come down off your high and mighty horse.
Jesus is the Son Of God.
Everyone has the power to become children of God. That was his message, not the patriarchal crap mens societies been slinging since the dark ages.
No.
Nobody comes to the father but through him.
originally posted by: Malocchio
originally posted by: Malocchio
attention Seede.
Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as you obey Christ; not only while being watched, and in order to please them, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. Render service with enthusiasm,as to the Lord and not to men and women.
I quote this to point out the fact that Paul dehumanized the slaves he told to obey as Christ with the same enthusiasm as they would for the Lord.
He has placed the master in the position of Lord and due the obedience Christ would be due if it were him.
Only masters are not Messiahs or the Lord and don't represent the will of God but their own, they don't have the authority of Christ or his benevolence.
It's a flawed doctrine that any disciple of Christ should abhor.
originally posted by: Malocchio
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: dfnj2015
"The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth, commonly referred to as the Jefferson Bible, was a book constructed by Thomas Jefferson in the later years of his life by cutting and pasting with a razor and glue numerous sections from the New Testament as extractions of the doctrine of Jesus. Jefferson's condensed composition is especially notable for its exclusion of all miracles by Jesus and most mentions of the supernatural, including sections of the four gospels that contain the Resurrection and most other miracles, and passages that portray Jesus as divine."
en.wikipedia.org...
"In an 1803 letter to Joseph Priestley, Jefferson stated that he conceived the idea of writing his view of the "Christian System" in a conversation with Dr. Benjamin Rush during 1798–99. He proposes beginning with a review of the morals of the ancient philosophers, moving on to the "deism and ethics of the Jews," and concluding with the "principles of a pure deism" taught by Jesus, "omitting the question of his deity." Jefferson explains that he does not have the time, and urges the task on Priestley as the person best equipped to accomplish the task"
"Jefferson wrote that “Jesus did not mean to impose himself on mankind as the son of God.” He called the writers of the New Testament “ignorant, unlettered men” who produced “superstitions, fanaticisms, and fabrications.” He called the Apostle Paul the “first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus.” He dismissed the concept of the Trinity as “mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.” He believed that the clergy used religion as a “mere contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves” and that “in every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty.” And he wrote in a letter to John Adams that “the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.”
"Therefore, The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth begins with an account of Jesus’s birth without references to angels (at that time), genealogy, or prophecy. Miracles, references to the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus, and Jesus' resurrection are also absent from his collection."
"Rejecting the resurrection of Jesus, the work ends with the words: "Now, in the place where He was crucified, there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid. There laid they Jesus. And rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed." "
Jefferson was a metaphysical naturalist. "Metaphysical naturalism, also called ontological naturalism, philosophical naturalism, and scientific materialism is a worldview, which holds that there is nothing but natural elements, principles, and relations of the kind studied by the natural sciences. That is, those required to understand our physical environment by mathematical modelling. In contrast, methodological naturalism is an assumption of naturalism as a methodology of science, for which metaphysical naturalism provides only one possible ontological foundation. Broadly, the corresponding theological perspective is religious naturalism or spiritual naturalism. More specifically, metaphysical naturalism rejects the supernatural concepts and explanations that are part of many religions."
deism - belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe. The term is used chiefly of an intellectual movement of the 17th and 18th centuries that accepted the existence of a creator on the basis of reason but rejected belief in a supernatural deity who interacts with humankind.
I don't think Jefferson was a born-again type Christian.
Imagine a newspaper with no articles, only advertisements.
Imagine a Bible without the supernatural.
Not heretical, simply a waste of time.
It could be said the Bible is a waste of time with or without the supernatural myths.
Depends on your personal tastes and opinions. Some people prefer reason to superstition.
Which is not a waste of time. The only really good thing about the Bible is the WORDS of Jesus, not his legend, which is not historical.
I guess TJ thought superstition was a waste of time.
Poor analogy btw. Comparing a newspaper to the Bible?
Waste of time, apples and oranges.
Jesus words would be the articles, not the advertisements. The myths would be the advertisements.
Logic is a foreign language in Christianity, I know, but still.
originally posted by: chr0naut
It could be said the Bible is a waste of time with or without the supernatural myths.
Depends on your personal tastes and opinions. Some people prefer reason to superstition.
Which is not a waste of time. The only really good thing about the Bible is the WORDS of Jesus, not his legend, which is not historical.
I guess TJ thought superstition was a waste of time.
Poor analogy btw. Comparing a newspaper to the Bible?
Waste of time, apples and oranges.
Jesus words would be the articles, not the advertisements. The myths would be the advertisements.
Logic is a foreign language in Christianity, I know, but still.