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Has any non Trump supporter experienced this besides me?

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posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 06:32 AM
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You need to get some new friends.




posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 06:33 AM
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a reply to: windword

Yes, lets blame someone else for our faults. Cmon man, wise up.



posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 06:33 AM
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a reply to: windword

More desperate pleading with the unconvinced to join your side of horse puckey. You really need a new hobby guy. All you do is bash Trump and make yourself look Fing stupid. Only the lonely right windy?




posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 06:33 AM
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a reply to: windword

Well, it's clear from the attitude of some folk that they've been manipulated by the very vitriol they hurl at others. To tell someone they've no right to complain because they didn't vote tells me that the person making such statements is beyond brainwashed and manipulated.

They're agents of the very people they scream and shout about.



posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 06:38 AM
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a reply to: ThreeDots

I never said that Trump was making any one do any thing, I said that he has given a safe space and sanctuary for the worst parts of us, you included.

He has been a temper tantrum throwing, man/pig/baby role model, thriving on violence and whining about how unfair everything is and how the "electoral college, on which he won, is destroying democracy", that is now watching his own chickens come home to roost. I hope he has plenty of scratch!


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posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 06:39 AM
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originally posted by: ThreeDots
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

I can't say I agree with that sentiment. Everyone has a right to complain whether they vote or not.

I don't vote but I'm quite vocal about the situations we find ourselves in. I still worked all my life and paid taxes, contributed to a system I never entered into willingly.

I've heard it all before, you could always leave! And go where, somewhere where there's another similar or worse system already in place?

I do not vote and never will because it's the cause of all of this nonsense.

I refuse to validate this stupidity by being a participant.

If anything it's the people who vote, whether their chosen candidate wins or not, who have no right to whine.

For they continue to play the game. The continue to compete, to queue up like sheep to elect the very person who will tax and bully them into submission for the next however many years.

And they brag about it, like it makes them better than those that don't vote...well it doesn't. It makes you compicit.

Some of us are just waiting for people to stop playing this game, the sooner the better. But in th meantime I'll be as vocal as I like about the position I and my friends and family are in not through choice.
Wish I could give you 100 stars.



posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 06:39 AM
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a reply to: BrokedownChevy


I have family from Kentucky and southern Indiana, best friends from West Virginia, and acquaintances from Texas and all of them voted Trump and all of them call African Americans 'n-word's. This isn't one or two people. It's a pretty big group. Every single one of the people I know who voted for Trump refers to them in this way. Usually the word is preceeded by stupid or lazy. I can't be the only one who has witnessed closet racists.


I don't understand your dilemma. Are you suggesting that because some of Trump's voters use the "N" word that we should judge him accordingly? Should we likewise judge you by your friends and family who use the "N" word?

I didn't vote for Trump. Didn't support him in any way, shape or form. I know plenty of folks who did though, and I've never heard the "N" word from any of them. (But, then, I don't have any friends or family that use the "N" word -- at least not in front of me.) I'll bet if you wrack your brain, you'd realize you know Trump supporters who don't and have never used the "N" word either. Why would you be more inclined to judge Trump by those who do rather than those who don't?

Finally, keep in mind that those voters who use the "N" word had the same choices the rest of us had... I'm sure Trump wasn't their first choice either. I'm pretty sure they all would have preferred to vote for the Grand Wizard of the KKK. So they had to choose their "lesser" of two evils as well. So Trump wasn't their ideal choice, just their best option.



posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 06:41 AM
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We might aswell allow kids to elect a school bully - how lucky are you?

You get to select the person who will tax your lunch money every day! I get nothing for my contributions to this country (Scotland).

Nothing!

I have an elderly relative n hospital and they can't even give her a shower because they don't have some special chair. My mother has a friend who has crippling arthritis, but was told she wasn't entitled to disability and that she's fit to work, she works 40+ hours a week in a charity shop for benefits, well under minimum wage.

Our transport system is an international joke. Our education system seems to be focused more on braiwashing kids into being good little sheep. Teaching my niece about homosexuality, non-binary junk and screwing with her young and impressionable mind.

The list goes on and on..and I hold voters responsible for it.

The only reason there are still elections is because they keep queueing up and voting every time.

Then they bitch and cry when, yet again, they get nothing out of it, but lost more and more....when they CAUSED it.

Voters have less reason to complain than non-voters, not more. They want to play this game, some of us don't.

I get nothing for my contributions to this system...n-o-thing!

theyt're no better than mobsters who go into a small business and demand protection money. Anyone, government or otherwise, who taxes you and you face consequences, i.e prison, if you don't pay up...is an extortionist and recketeer.

You know who should pay tax? Registered voters. Non-registered voters should be allowed to opt out...trust me if I opted out I'd be better off than I am at present.



posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 06:43 AM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: ThreeDots

I never said that Trump was making any one do any thing, I said that he has given a safe space and sanctuary for the worst parts of us, you included.

He has been a temper tantrum throwing, man/pig/baby role model, thriving on violence and whining about how unfair everything is and how the "electoral college, on which he won, is destroying democracy", that is now watching his own chickens come home to roost. I hope he has plenty of scratch!



I apologise, I didn't mean that to sound like a personal attack against you, on reflection it does look that way.

Wasn't my intention, you have my sincerest apologies.



posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 07:17 AM
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a reply to: BrokedownChevy

Let me shplain to you what the 'n' word is all about.

First of all ... 92% of the time it fits the profile. What's left over is what we refer to as 'exception'.

Second ... it's used as a way to undermine the 1st Amendment. Instead of addressing the real problem (92%) we'll focus on the whine. Wahhhh ... I don't like that word ... here's a coffin, let's bury it. And other non-sense.

Until people start addressing a topic honestly, there's never going to be a cure. Maybe a purge, but never a cure.

Do you know how many viruses we have a 'cure' for? Exactly zero. That's possibly a point too subtle for some, but if you're not getting it ... please try a little harder on your own.



posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 08:28 AM
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all these poor people who now live in fear then they have to stand up for what's right and uphold the laws of this country


you mean the same people who rioting in the streets?
the same people who support sanctuary cities that spit in the face of our laws
the same people who support ILLEGAL immigration

those are the people who you are counting on to "uphold the laws"?


you make a great point though about your experiences of seeing the real world.
a lot of the idealist who support Hillary have never experienced the real world they think that what the media tells them and what they read on facebook IS the real world. They spend so much time with their faces buried in their Iphones that they aren`t experiencing the real world even when they are in the real world.



posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 08:33 AM
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a reply to: BrokedownChevy


From the beginning Trump appealed to the racists and xenophobes amongst us, advocated for torture, and otherwise appealed to the darker side of the human condition. That was why I could not vote for him.


This reminds me of the Know-Nothings from a century ago. What goes around comes around.



posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 09:02 AM
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a reply to: Salander

One can have the same argument that Hillary appealed to anti-americans and and anarchists.



posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 09:07 AM
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a reply to: BrokedownChevy

Respectfully, you STILL don't get it. Though you try to cover it up, underneath there is still that air of "I'm right and if you aren't with me, you must be a troglodyte". You'd think you'd understand that acting precisely like that, is one of the major reasons your side lost. You can't even fathom that someone would have gone against Clinton and the overall political establishment. I know you said you are independent, that's a cop out. You Either supported one or the other more. You didn't vote? WHY? Don't take my rant directed at you if you didn't support Clinton.


Now you will discount this, and say that people like me just don't understand and that I am a Bigot, Racist, Sexist, Xenophobe ....fill in the blank. Obviously I must be one or all of those because how else can you explain the Butt kicking your side got this election. It makes you feel safe to say that than realize you wanted to elect a candidate that conspired with her Party to rig the election for her, didn't bat an eye at getting fed Debate questions , let alone her Email and Foundation woes.

All this campaign your side did all it could to ridicule, name call , demean and demagogue any one who didn't agree with you and you wonder why people were disgusted and turned off by your Message? Really?

Soon I pretty sure you will figure this out, but now you still don't have a clue. We are tired and sick of the status quo. We want something more. We voted for that something more this past Tuesday.

It's funny to me to see the "progressive" side willing to elect a Candidate like Clinton who is ALL for Big Banks, Wall Street and Unfair Trade Deals and is the War Party? How did you get to that point on your side this election? Really take a step back, and reflect on your side selecting such a candidate?

Trump supporters aren't vile and evil, we want everyone in this country to succeed and do better. You can either tag along and get some victories on your side as you do that or, you can be the obstructionists that the Republicans were for Obama. Unfortunately for you, You won't have control of either part of Congress, 2018 is a very tough Senate year for you as well. You will either decide to work with Trump or be bystanders with Zero real political clout. Your choice. This is where you have lead your party by selecting Clinton as your Candidate.

Hey, btw, it be awfully nice if you could get your side to stop all the name calling and insulting that was ever present this election. You lost, either stay stuck in that losing mentality or go forward.
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posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 09:25 AM
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That was an awesome post.

I genuinely believe we are wasting our time, and it would be better spent, elsewhere.

We really are an unstoppable force colliding with an im-movable object, a very stubborn, immovable object that is incapable of self reflection, being self-analytical or self-critical.

Even here, the games they play are working. Here we are, you, a few others in this thread, and the multitude of others in other threads.

I read your post and I know you've taken stock of what is happening and are being tru and honest. They are unable to do that - it's like trying to feed a cat a tin of cat food having spent years feeding it on gourmet s**t, it ain't gonna eat it regardless of how nutritional it is.

They're stopping people from making rpogress and it's intentional. Smeone called them brownshirts and it isn't far from the truth at all...but they can even do it here. They've crashed rational, constructive conversation here n ATS.

They're pulling us down to their level and distracting us.

I say, althought it probably won't happen - I know, it's hard to ignore...but we should let them vent.

Our contributions are giving them the hit they crave...they have no real conviction because they don't even understand their own reasoning, nor are they honest enough to step back and observe how they are acting...they simply don't want to.

We should stop engaging them in debate...I'm off to find something more constructive to contribute to, these animals can eat one another for all I care.



posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 09:42 AM
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originally posted by: ThreeDots
That was an awesome post.

No it wasn't. It starts off by acknowledging that the OP is a non voting independent and then goes on to criticize the OP for complaining about his side (specified as Clinton's) losing.

Obvious strawman is obvious.



posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 09:42 AM
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a reply to: slider1982

"There is of course a massive elephant in the room, and that is have we now come to a point where it is proven that these mass multicultural soup type societies simply do not work, there are to many flash points for everyone to get along. I think it is also note worthy that there is a large scale of white people in these BLM type groups that are also pushing a agenda that for the average person does not exist.. Personally it is all starting to look like one big cult!!!!... "

Think you're on to something there. With these "multi-cultural" societies, what we see is everything breaking down into identity politics. There's no genuine discussion anymore about policy issues, just talk of "equality" and "grievance". I worked wit a hispanic lady once. I was put on a "team" selected to do a task; we got the job done, there was a party and they passed out an award plaque. The next day she came into my office and spouted out that if she'd been a white guy, she'd have gotten the award. In reality she'd not been selected because she'd been put on a different team project in another building. I responded by giving her the award, I didn't give a damn about it. She proudly kept it!

From that day on, I referred to her and people like her as "chippers"; they walk around all day proudly brandishing and polishing that giant chip on their shoulder. They walk about each day thinking/saying "If only I'd been born white, or blond, or male....life's unfair, life's unfair to me!" The irony of all this though is that while the "chippers" be they hispanic or black, short or gay or whatever think they have it so tough, the BLM prominently features mostly white kids. That's because they're paid to be there and its because they are NOT SJW's, (Mother Theresa was a SJW), they are Globalist Marxists parading about as "Progressives". They aren't "liberals" in the classical sense of the term, they're leftist socialists hell bent on destroying the country.

Hopefully, after the inauguration, all of this will settle down.............but I am beginning to wonder if we haven't witnessed the dawn of a new age of endless protests and riots funded by George Soros or someone willing to pay to set cities on fire, while the useful idiot followers shoot and loot their ways to new appliances. Problem with multi-cultural societies is they devolve, over time, to ghetto type societies, with multiple "no-go" zones. And that only crystallizes the great divides.



posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 09:48 AM
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a reply to: BrokedownChevy

Look. My parents lived through the contentiousness of the '60s and '70s and the racial tensions of those days. My own dad has a very poor opinion of city blacks as a result.

This past presidency and the racial tensions that have spiked along with the riots and protests and BLM have not done a thing to make him feel any differently or better about what he experienced in those days to give him his opinion.

And frankly, as someone who has nothing but positive experiences with blacks all throughout school and into college (they were my teammates and friends for crying out loud!) and then who taught inner city and experienced some of the deplorable treatment others talk about from my students and now into those past presidency ... I can see where he is coming from although I work hard to remember my good experiences and to see each person as an individual, not as a group because I don't want to be poisoned by what I see and what I experienced.

But there is a large segment of that population that is as poisonous in its way as your rural friends are.



posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 10:21 AM
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a reply to: daskakik

Excuse me, I'll be the judge of how I think and feel about another persons post, not you.



posted on Nov, 12 2016 @ 10:43 AM
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originally posted by: ThreeDots
Excuse me, I'll be the judge of how I think and feel about another persons post, not you.

Yes, that is how this works and I'll post how I think and feel about your opinion of that post while also giving my reasons why.


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