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Obamacare to be quickly repealed after Trump becomes president, Republican leader says

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posted on Nov, 9 2016 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: lance_covel

premiums have skyrocketed a lot more with obamacare than they ever did when hospitals treated uninsured people for free.




posted on Nov, 9 2016 @ 08:59 PM
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originally posted by: Profusion

originally posted by: Willtell
As imperfect as Obamacare is it has done some great good by getting people insured. To just throw those people to the wolves is demonic and inhuman and I have NO RESPECT FOR ANYONE WHO WOULD DO THAT


The way I see it, there are a lot more people being hurt by Obamacare than being helped by it. Here's the broad picture:

Three Ways Obamacare Is Impairing Economic Growth

Here's a different view:

Bill Clinton calls Obamacare 'the craziest thing in the world,' later tries to walk it back

A country can't destroy itself in the name of helping the less fortunate. There are better solutions.

a reply to: Willtell

"The only thing stopping that is, it's a big deal to throw millions of people off insurance without offering something in return," Frakt says.

That came up with the King v. Burwell case. If the GOP would have gotten the decision it wanted in that case, they were going to gradually defund Obamacare, not do it all at once. I believe that's the kind of thing that Frakt was referring to.


I acknowledge Obamacare is faulty but that’s the fault of the GOP primarily.... Obama under the circumstances of a reluctant GOP and corporate democrats did the best he could at the time

Their the ones who wouldn’t give Obama a fair shake because THEY WANTED NO PLAN

I want single payer to keep up with the rest of the civilized world but the GOP would never allow it.

If you recall they almost got universal Medicare where a person in their mid fifties could get Medicare but the GOP stopped it


How about a plan like they have in Russia you like so much



The Constitution of the Russian Federation has provided all citizens the right to free healthcare under Mandatory Medical Insurance since 1996. In 2008, 621,000 doctors and 1.3 million nurses were employed in Russian healthcare. The number of doctors per 10,000 people was 43.8, but only 12.1 in rural areas.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Nov, 9 2016 @ 09:08 PM
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originally posted by: lance_covel
a reply to: Profusion

Repeal Affordable Care Act:
Okay, so we go back to people not being required to have health insurance. They drop the insurance. They still go to the hospitals and get treated. In order to make up for the losses due to non payment, your insurance premiums skyrocket.
So, they will get free health care at your expense instead of at their own. I've never seen so many people crying about NOT being forced to take care of other people. I'm sure it will be better once its renamed to "Trump For Better Health" plan.
I hope you thought that one thru.


The ACA was horribly executed, because in order to get it done, the parties colluded to make it a big giveaway (of Americans' money) to health insurance corporations.

BUT - what you said is also true. We'll be going back to every uninsured sponge going to the ER to get treated for the sniffles at the test of our expense.



posted on Nov, 9 2016 @ 09:13 PM
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Don't expect the premiums to drop much. Insurance companies have moved them up and like it.



posted on Nov, 9 2016 @ 09:16 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Snarl

Do you still think there will be some big wall built?


Why not?

Yes. It will be built.



posted on Nov, 9 2016 @ 09:21 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

We got a plan written by insurance companies for insurance companies.

That is and always will be the problem.



posted on Nov, 9 2016 @ 09:25 PM
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He said he would repeal Obamacare and replace it with something better. In particular, I recall him mentioning opening up competition between insurance companies at the state and national level.

That is a lot easier said than done, as the insurance companies have lobbied hard for their state monopolies, and the states have worked hard to legislate requirements. It's a quagmire.

But I'm willing to support Trump as he attempts to see this through.

What I don't want to see is a repeal of Obamacare without the "replacement" part.



posted on Nov, 9 2016 @ 09:34 PM
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originally posted by: Greggers

He said he would repeal Obamacare and replace it with something better.

In particular, I recall him mentioning opening up competition between insurance companies at the state and national level.


I don't think gambling with health care is a good idea. Not everything needs to be capitalism. If everyone has to have something it is a social need and shoud be administered socially.

Anything that is not a necessity is subject to capitalism. Once you require someone to have something they are neither free nor capitalists.

Our founding fathers worked a Social Judiciary and Military into the constitution for precisely these reasons.

In today's world we view healthcare as necessary to survival as our founding fathers saw a Social military and judiciary system.

Single payer makes since, it works, and fits within the plan of the founding fathers.


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posted on Nov, 9 2016 @ 09:40 PM
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I have insurance most of my adult life, Obamacare repeal doesn't affect me, but Is going to be great no to be taxed on it and while I always had healthcare I hate to know that is mandatory.

All Trump has to do is to make sure that people are not to be discriminated due to pre existing conditions, because even with Obama care people are still having problems getting insurance.

We also need control on the premiums, Obamacare never targeted that issue and that is why those mandated on insurance has been gouged by insurance companies on the insurance premiums.
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posted on Nov, 9 2016 @ 09:43 PM
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originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: Greggers

He said he would repeal Obamacare and replace it with something better.

In particular, I recall him mentioning opening up competition between insurance companies at the state and national level.


I don't think gambling with health care is a good idea. Not everything needs to be capitalism. If everyone has to have something it is a social need and shoud be administered socially.

Anything that is not a necessity is subject to capitalism. Once you require someone to have something they are neither free nor capitalists.

Our founding fathers worked a Social Judiciary and Military into the constitution for precisely these reasons.

In today's world we view healthcare as necessary to survival as our founding fathers saw a Social military and judiciary system.

Single payer makes since, it works, and fits within the plan of the founding fathers.



I don't disagree with you. I'm on record elsewhere on these forums supporting single payer and expressing my opinion that we're headed in that direction no matter what.

However, Trump was just elected and he has a Republican Congress and it's their show, at least until mid-terms. And possibly thereafter if they don't royally screw it up.

So what I'm saying is let's see what they can do. Bottom line, if it fails, it just brings us closer to what I feel is a single-payer inevitability. If it succeeds, bully for Trump and the American people.
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posted on Nov, 9 2016 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: liveandlearn
a reply to: Profusion

Really think you need to mention 'repeal and REPLACE' . There is no intention to leave Americans with nothing.


They only thing McConnell wants to replace it with is assisted suicide, I am sorry, I am willing to give Trump a chance, but Mitch is a weasel.


I am in total agreement. The sooner he is gone the better.



posted on Nov, 9 2016 @ 10:13 PM
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Obamacare's motives were good, but it's a typical Democrat-conceived government entitlement. The goal was to reduce the number of uninsured people down as close as possible to 0%.

But, as government does, they built a Jumbo 747, to transport a mouse. The Congressional Budget Office says that the government is spending $50,000 of taxpayer dollars, to get health insurance for EACH INDIVIDUAL who is uninsured.



posted on Nov, 9 2016 @ 10:16 PM
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a reply to: Alien Abduct



Why not?


Because I thought everyone knew it was a lie in order to rile up others.



Yes. It will be built.


Ok I see you actually believed it. yikes



posted on Nov, 9 2016 @ 10:16 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

And we are all paying for it, while insurance are still not even regulated in any way or form.



posted on Nov, 9 2016 @ 10:18 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
Obamacare's motives were good, but it's a typical Democrat-conceived government entitlement. The goal was to reduce the number of uninsured people down as close as possible to 0%.

But, as government does, they built a Jumbo 747, to transport a mouse. The Congressional Budget Office says that the government is spending $50,000 of taxpayer dollars, to get health insurance for EACH INDIVIDUAL who is uninsured.


It was written by insurance companies for insurance companies.
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posted on Nov, 9 2016 @ 10:20 PM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: carewemust

And we are all paying for it, while insurance are still not even regulated in any way or form.



Insurance is heavily regulated. In fact, the regulations in some states are so heavy that most insurance companies completely opt out of those states.



posted on Nov, 9 2016 @ 10:22 PM
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a reply to: Greggers

Sorry if I used the wrong word, but my point was about the premiums, now, nowhere in the many papers of the Obamacare bill it was anything to control the cost of care.

When it comes to regulations you are right the regulations were left to the individual states insurance panels.




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posted on Nov, 9 2016 @ 10:24 PM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Greggers

Sorry if I used the wrong word, but my point was about the premiums, now where in the many papers of the Obamacare bill it was anything to control the cost of care.

When it comes to regulations you are right the regulations were left to the individual states insurance panels.





No argument there.



posted on Nov, 9 2016 @ 10:45 PM
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originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: lance_covel




In order to make up for the losses due to non payment, your insurance premiums skyrocket.


Not sure of your experience but after Obamacare went to effect my insurance premiums sky rocketed by hundreds of dollar a Month and my deductible went up,

Also other family members that had no insurance continued with no insurance.

However the top 3 health insurance companies who helped create Obamacare had 45 degree profit earning increase after decades of stagnate growth.

Obamacare is a corporate cash cow for the big dogs.

Obamacare is not healthcare it's authoritarian forced insurance. I would have prefered a socialist healthcare without the greedy corporate insurance companies in the middle, rather than that bs.


I receive my care under VA, and I know there are issues. But where I am, VA has there stuff together, thank you KC VA



posted on Nov, 10 2016 @ 07:51 AM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Alien Abduct



Why not?


Because I thought everyone knew it was a lie in order to rile up others.



Yes. It will be built.


Ok I see you actually believed it. yikes


Yup. And I bet you didn't think he would be president either but guess what....




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