I need some advice It's roommate problems

originally posted by: CJCrawley
a reply to: Kazber

The place allows you to smoke indoors, so I'm struggling to see the problem. If two newcomers object to the fact that you smoke then just remind them of this house rule, taking care to point out that it was a condition for your accepting the tenancy.

If they still object then invite them to sample the hospitality of any of the numerous similar establishments where smoking indoors isn't allowed.

I agree! There are plenty of places that do not allow smoking and that is where the nonsmoking people should go. If the OP took this place because he would be allowed to smoke, then he should be allowed to smoke.

Have you tried vaping? I switched from being a ten-year smoker to vaping only. I did it gradually, and haven't had a real cig in over 2 years.

If you get a vape, even if you don't love it, you can at least vape in your room and get the nicotine fix and inhale motion when it's too cold to go out.

originally posted by: schuyler
You don't have a room mate problem; your room mates do. Find your own place with no one else. Preferably you can buy it so there are no landlord issues. Yeah, I know. You can't "afford" it, right? So basically you NEED the help of others to get a place. You require their assistance. In fact, not to put too fine a point on it, you're still dependent on others. And THAT means you have to be mindful of their needs as well. You don't have a "right" to smoke, so if it is an issue, whether or not is used to be, you need to stop, go outside, or move.

or

Jeez, dude...

THEY moved in AFTER he did. So unless he lied and told them he is a non-smoker, THEY are the ones who have to make the adjustment. If they dont want to live with a smoker, then they should not have moved into a house with a smoker.

a reply to: KansasGirl

THEY moved in AFTER he did. So unless he lied and told them he is a non-smoker, THEY are the ones who have to make the adjustment. If they dont want to live with a smoker, then they should not have moved into a house with a smoker.

Exactly.
You are 100% correct.

It would be the same, IMO, if someone had animals or insisted on eating microwave popcorn every day.

I once had a landlord tell me that there were no pets including fish, hamsters, or spiders...

Guess what? I didn't accept that lease.

a reply to: GodEmperor

I have no idea what you are talking about

Tired of Control fReaks

a reply to: GodEmperor

It is not the OPs job to concern himself with the health of other adults.

Anti-smokers say smoke stinks and the stink lingers. The two girls knew that smoking was allowed and they chose to move in.

Where was there responsibility to protect their own health and why should the OP do so, if they chose not to.

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: KansasGirl

KansasGirl,

THE OP did not ask for advice on how to quit smoking. He asked for advice on how to deal with two demanding bullies.

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: Kazber

Weed or cigs?

Just go outside, who cares?

a reply to: Innocuous

The OP cares. He took the trouble to rent in a house where smoking was allowed.

Tired of Control Freaks

I am a hardcore smoker as in 3-5 packs of French Gauloises a day for 20 years, Now smoking organic American Spirits.

I now only smoke cigs outside due to having a young child, I don't feel it's okay for me to impose that choice on a child who has no say so. If he wants to smoke when he's old enough, that's his choice and right and I'd probably enjoy one with him.

In order to mitigate the inconvenience for myself I got heavy into vaping and found that I love it, though it's different than smoking, it's the same in enough ways to be equally interesting and satisfying, just a little different. I still smoke cigs, just way less and only outside or in a place where it's acceptable, the rest of the time I vape.

Funny thing is, this hybrid solution turned out better for me as I vape everywhere, the mall, airports around the world, in restaurants, in the car, etc. (sometimes stealth vaping just to not be noticed or questioned)

It's given me more freedom and when I want an analog cig I step out and have one, or two, hehe or three. In fact as I am writing this I am vaping HUGE plumes of Neopolitan Ice Cream with Whipped Cream half and half and now that I'm done with this reply, I'm going out front to burn a cig. This really works well for me, saves me money, and gets me the freedom I need without encroaching on anyone else's space. My 2 cents. -Cheers

a reply to: Michielli

sounds like you implemented your choice in your house.

What would you have done if someone else decided what legal activity you could or could not undertake in your house?

That is the issue of this thread.

(enjoy the freedom to vape - there is a movement to ban vaping in the same places as smoking is banned).

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

Of course I agree with you in principle. Certainly within his rights in this #uation to say screw 'em, I'll smoke all I want, that option is painfully obvious. I was merely offering a more diplomatic solution should they want to try and compromise a little to avoid creating and maintaining a hostile environment to live in 24/7. You never know, maybe in the future something will arise that puts the shoe on the other foot and then you get the screw you response. Just sayin' sometimes losing a little to win is a good thing, but by all means you're within your rights to go ahead and smoke 'em out. Like I said, my reply was just my 2 cents and my experience as relates to the OP.

So you know like being considerate in a situation where you're in a small room with 3 or 4 non smokers and vaping so that everyone can enjoy the hang time. Now if they start bitc*ing because they can't stand the smell of whipped cream, or strawberries, or whatever then you know you're hanging with a bunch of whiny c*nts who are going to bitc* no matter what is going on because they like the sound of their whiny voices and then...well...they just gotta go. It's really about context you know. And BTW, I too hate all the control freak shiznit, but I can stealth vape anywhere I want to and everyone wins. Not once have I had someone ask me to stop vaping and I have vaped in a lot of "No Vaping" places in multiple countries. But I GUARANTEE that if I light up a cig in any airport in America I will be promptly escorted outside.

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

And just to play devil's advocate in response to your poke, for someone who hates control freaks you sure seem like you're trying to take control of policing this thread. Just sayin', sometimes the criticisms we scream the loudest are really about ourselves.

a reply to: Michielli

smokers have been brainwashed by an intensive anti-smoking media campaign since the 1960s. Smokers have been made to feel ashamed, dirty, selfish, inconsiderate and every other insult that you can imagine.

In these types of threads, everyone tries to be politically correct to avoid offending others.

I am trying to display how people (yes the operative word is that smokers are people just like anyone else). My answers are not politically correct but they are logical, if we were talking about any activity other then smoking.

Now that People who smoke have been demonized. The next target are those who choose to drink, those who chose to eat in an unapproved manner or who are even slightly overwieght, people who eat meat, etc etc etc.

Its time to fight back.

I don't have 60 years or the money to run a "leave us alone campaign" but I do have this forum. I hope that some people will hear and will understand that it is time to stand up and be counted.

If we don't stand up, we will get run over. I earlier mentioned the anti-marijuana propaganda. I am ashamed that I let people go to jail without speaking up.

/we haven't lost a little. We have lost alot. We have lost the right to parent our own children. Unapproved school lunches (brown bags) are confiscated if they don't meet somebody's idea of a healthy lunch.

In many areas, it is now the law that smokers cannot be foster parents. As if there are so many people willing to love an abused child, that is now acceptable to narrow your group of people willing to try because you don't approve of their legal activities.

This part of what the Trump election was all about. We are divided by the most ridiculous boxes and easy to control because we won't stand up for each other.

I am standing up now.

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: Michielli

In the 80 year history of anti-smoking, when have smokers resisted the lastest anti-smoking edict (can't smoke within 18 feet of a restaurant patio for example).

what did being compliant and diplomatic ever get for us?

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: Michielli

here is what your "consideration" and "diplomacy" is getting for you

www.marketwatch.com...

For each product to go through the premarket approval process, the FDA estimates it will take about 1,700 hours of labor, costing companies at least $1 million per product tested. Only one such product, Swedish Match, has entered into that approval process, says Arnaud Dumas de Rauly, treasurer of the Vapor Technology Association and president of e-liquid—the substance vaporized in e-cigarette devices—manufacturer Gaiatrend USA. “It’s going to cost time and it’s going to go nowhere,” Dumas de Rauly says. “It’s an antique process.” The only companies expected to afford this compliance are tobacco companies like Altria MO, -2.73% and R.J. Reynolds RAI, -1.59% that can fund the testing with profits from traditional cigarette sales. “For big tobacco, this is pocket change to them,” says Gregory Conley, president of the American Vaping Association. “Other companies in the industry will be forced to sell out to investors or focus internationally.”

Each different flavor that you like must be submitted to the FDA for approval. How many flavors to you think the companies will bother to get approved.

Then we still have to talk about taxation.

Then we still have to talk about where you can vape.

And here is the start of the anti-vaping campaign

www.who.int...

It explains that while additional research is needed on multiple areas of e-cigarette use, regulations are required now to address health concerns, in particular for:

It explains that while additional research is needed on multiple areas of e-cigarette use, regulations are required now to address health concerns, in particular for: Advertising: An appropriate government body must restrict e-cigarette advertising, promotion and sponsorship, to ensure that it does not target youth and non-smokers or people who do not currently use nicotine. Indoor use: legal steps should be taken to end use of e-cigarettes indoors in public and work places. Evidence suggests that exhaled e-cigarette aerosol increases the background air level of some toxicants, nicotine and particles.

The very fact that the OP had to ask if he could smoke in his own private room with the landlords permission is an indication of how badly we have been beaten down.

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: Kazber

Contract. Bottom line....if there isn't a written agreement, then no one has a leg to stand on.

Side note: why not vape? Its cheaper, and you can do it in a motel room

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

you didn't read my link where I posted the background report from the World Health Organization

Indoor use: legal steps should be taken to end use of e-cigarettes indoors in public and work places. Evidence suggests that exhaled e-cigarette aerosol increases the background air level of some toxicants, nicotine and particles.

It was never about health. It was always about control

You are like the kid who gets picked on for wearing a red coat. So you buy a pink coat and then are totally surprised when the bullies don't stop and keep coming after you.

Its never about the red coat or the pink coat, its about making themselves feel superior. Its always about themselves.

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

And I repeat: The OP did not ask your opinion. It wasn't wanted or solicitated. You are imposing your opinion on an adult who did not ask for it!

Oh, I'm sorry for placing my opinion on a public forum. Opinions don't aren't imposing on anyone, don't matter like you say and like asses everyone has one. Shove that control freak banter where the sun don't shine...