originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: continuousThunder
also, i could be wrong so don't quote me, but i'm preeeeetty sure that the nazis weren't exactly red hot on minorities, ethnic, sexual, or otherwise,
and i wouldn't say they were clamouring for education about the unique issues faced by those communities. siq leap there though.
you're gonna go straight to the "you're all Nazi's for disagreeing with me" stuff?
No, I mean you can, but normally there is about 5-6 pages of discussion before one side simply gives up and calls the other literally hitler.
I guess that's what happens in this new twitter age. no time for nuanced discussion..just label everyone and everything you dislike as the 3rd reich
and move on. pfft.
A quick counter: everyone at that time, Germany, America, Russia, etc seen women as little more than mothers and breeders. Every nation also had the
same general contempt for different races and religions. Not sure where you were going with that.
also, I could be wrong so don't quote me, but i'm preeeeety sure that the Nazi's were setting up a system of equality amongst the citizens that gave
free education, healthcare, etc etc etc...
(see how that works)
Enjoy your day and your privilege, westerner.
woah woah wait
learning man pulled the nazi card and i was just responding to it, mostly because it just seemed to absurd not to.
To his credit, his response to that was as cogent and fair as any i've encountered from someone arguing against me in a thread of this nature.
And look honestly, i can see where you're trying to go with this.
I understand the urge to see everyone treated the same, i sympathise with the spirit motivating that, and i really wish we lived in a universe where
it was as simple as that, where things could just be made fair for everyone in that way, but unfortunately we don't.
every single day it feels like there's new footage of cops shooting black people in broad daylight for things like walking in a park or driving their
car. White people catch the sharp end of police brutality too but i have yet to see any murdered cold in public like that.
Women still get paid significantly less than men for the exact same job. As well as little things like it being totally normalised to experience
public sexual harrassment from pre-pubescence onwards and not being able to walk home alone because of the exorbitant risk of being raped and
America's new vice president thinks it's perfectly acceptable to electrocute gay people until they say they're not gay anymore - and further, made it
a campaign promise to fund more of these places at the expense of HIV treatment and research. It's still routine for kids to be kicked out of home to
survive on the street simply for coming out as gay or trans.
Trans people are currently the centre of a vicious protracted war... over where they're allowed to pee. And i say war because instead of just letting
the girls pee, people have planted actual bombs in toilet stalls.
It's actually LEGAL in most states of america to murder a trans person. you just say you panicked when you learned they're trans and killed them. I'm
not being hyperbolic, it's honestly a real thing.
meanwhile, in australia, i still can't marry my girlfriend. which isn't a problem most of the time, but there are a lot of benefits denied us - if one
of us were to get drastically sick, they would track down our families instead of giving us spousal privelege. and since we are both in the
aforementioned gay-kids-kicked-out-of-home camp, well i'm sure you can imagine how well that would go.
You wanna talk about nuance?
So many posts in this thread talk about how no one wants to be denied a job or that race/gender/etc are lazy excuses but the simple fact is that for a
lot of people, life is SO brutal, right from the outset. and in vastly different ways.
It's not demonising and it's not having a go at you when i say life is easier for straight white guys.
I'm not even saying it's easy - it's just not quite as uniformly horrific.
Trust me, i should know; i walked among the straight white guys undetected for a good twenty years.
Now i still have my white privelege, i still have my educated westerner privelege, and i picked up some hot privelege along the way, but i have
learned so much more about how screwed up the world is... and i started out pretty convinced that the world is mightily messed up.
My point is, try to be gentle and understanding. Everyone is fighting the most unbelievably difficult battle.
Please don't assume that because there is an identity tag that fits someone that they are being taken magical care of.
we have to look after each other.
edit on 11-11-2016 by continuousThunder because: gosh that was way more text than i thought