a reply to: BuzzyWigs
I've changed my mind. I've already said all I have to say until you address the things I wrote above.
It's hard to address rambling.
I just looked back over the last two pages. Somehow, we went from a good conversation to a lot of rambling declarations based on emotional responses.
I'll try, in the spirit of good faith, to address that. I consider it a major issue. If you want other allegations addressed, you'll have to clarify
them. I can't read your mind.
There seems to be a major difference in the thought processes between the two sides on this election. From my viewpoint, I believe people all deserve
respect until such time as they demonstrate that they are incapable of returning that respect. That goes for everyone, regardless of skin color,
gender, opinions, preferences, hair color, clothing choice... period. I define that respect as an initial willingness to assume the other person is
sincere and reasonable.
As an example, if I read a post that appears to be insulting, I will stop and re-read it. I will try to see if maybe I am looking at the context
wrong. Maybe it was a poor choice of words. I'm looking for something, anything, to help me believe the post was not intended to be insulting. That is
respect. I am trying to justify what I think I read because I don't want to believe the person who wrote it is as bad as the post made them seem.
Now, if after some conversation I am completely unable to find anything redeeming in their words, even after those mental gymnastics, then I lose
respect for that person. But by that time, there are plenty of specific instances I can cite to prove my decision accurate.
The disconnect comes when that simple principle of mutual respect is lost, ie, when one is prejudged without consideration to try and understand them.
As a good example, let's consider Barron. You have claimed that he was racist... I asked for specifics on that claim. That was not a ploy; I really
know almost nothing about him, nor about Breitbart. You responded that he called some people 'dykes.' OK, I accept that.
But that is not enough if I am to allow him the same respect I allow others... the same respect I feel I have allowed you. For me to make that leap to
"Bannon is a racist," I need to know more. Was he speaking publicly? Did he intend the word to be insulting? Is it a slip of the tongue? Is there a
pattern of such language? Are there any actions against gay people, or only words? If I do not give him the same consideration I would give others
before denouncing him, then I am being unfair and biased.
You did not give me that kind of information. Instead, you gave me more labels applied to him by others and wild predictions about his future actions.
My response was to ask you to calm down, so I could get more information. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt... maybe she's just upset, maybe
she mistook something I wrote, maybe she's having a rough day. I tried to show you respect. I saw hope for the conversation when you offered to
restate your concerns.
But you have shown me none of that respect in return. You have even accused me of hating you and your family. You accused me of rejecting prayer...
something I have never done and never will do. That was particularly insulting to me because I take prayer seriously. And while I am still trying to
excuse those things in my mind, it is getting harder and harder to do so. Especially when you rejected your own offer after I accepted.
This is the disconnect I have been trying to get across. I show respect; I get disrespect. A week from now, you may engage me in discussion again.
Will you then return disrespect for respect again? What about two weeks from now? A month from now?
Eventually, all the mental gymnastics in the world won't be enough to justify the observed actions.
I have watched this sort of disrespect grow for many years. And I have watched it merge with hypocrisy. I can't count how many times during this
campaign I have heard "Trump refused to denounce David Duke's endorsement; he agrees with the KKK!" I personally watched him denounce the endorsement
3 separate times on national TV. And not a word was said about Hillary's close relationship with Robert Byrd or her endorsement from William Quigg...
both major KKK members/supporters.
That is hypocrisy.... that is disrespect.
That cheapens the "racist" argument and means I need to see much more than an accusation.
Now if you have more information on Bannon to present, I am still willing to look at it. But I need more than "Billy-Bob Bigshot said so." I need
actions. Real, solid, obvious actions. The labels aren't enough any more.
If not... well, I guess I'll find out on my own what kind of person he seems to be. Thanks for playing.