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Positive Effect of Trump Victory: Putin Just Opened the Door Again

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posted on Nov, 11 2016 @ 06:35 PM
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Russia is not our friend. Repeat, Russia is not our friend. Russia is Russia's friend. Period.

If you study Russia's economic situation it becomes clear that Russia is facing hard times. The oligarchy in charge is desperate to drive a wedge between the USA and Western Europe, and cause deep divisions within our country.

A confused, isolated America with no friends...except Russia? How convenient!

That, is exactly what Putin and his buddies want. They want us tearing one another apart here, and they want our country to be isolated from our former allies.

China is putting a LOT of pressure on Russia. The quality of life in Russia is declining fast, and the people are restless. This is why you see the government of Russia exert such a stranglehold over the people.

Russia is playing psyops and social engineering games with Americans, as they always have. This is nothing new. Russia has been using state-sponsored propaganda since the old Cold War days.

Today, however, they are now using the internet. Entire buildings have nothing but young Russians sitting at computers behind proxies and VPNs pretending to be alt-right and conservatives. New memes are created and plastered all over social media and web forums.

There was already an angry conservative base in America, Russia just had to come in an easily infiltrate and hijack it. It's brilliant, actually. It seems to be working very well.

For conservatives to suddenly do a 180 flip on Russia is quite telling...

If Americans are OK with rising nationalism and isolationism, don't you find it odd that Russia is suddenly one of the only countries we're OK with?

Suddenly they're our best friends forever?

The proof of social engineering via state-sponsored propaganda is everywhere. People in America are so frustrated with our own media they'll flock to obvious propaganda sites like RT. It's RT people, it pushes a pro-Russian agenda.

"But it's not American owned! It HAS to be better!"

That's how they get ya.

Don't buy into the propaganda. Be a patriot and put America first.




posted on Nov, 11 2016 @ 06:39 PM
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And I know it's a bitter pill to swallow. People like to believe that their thoughts are their own. They want to think their beliefs are their own.

Admitting that their entire worldview and belief system has been compromised by state-sponsored propaganda mills is terrifying and met with violent denials. It goes against everything their brain tells them is possible.

This is the power of the information age.

He who controls the story, controls the minds of the people. It's time America take the story back for Americans.



posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 06:32 PM
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originally posted by: Kettu
Russia is not our friend. Repeat, Russia is not our friend. Russia is Russia's friend. Period.

I hope so. I hope every country puts their own interests first. Why we should do this but anyone else is evil for doing so is a little beyond me. And Russia never said they were more interested in helping us than helping themselves.


If you study Russia's economic situation it becomes clear that Russia is facing hard times.

Yes they are, and they've had some even worse times behind them the last few decades. For example one recent year their budget was something like 50mil for the same mil that we had an 'official' budget of 500-odd mil for (plus plenty of 'unofficial' streams of money routed not officially on record for that). They are not equally or more bad-ass than us anymore and haven't been for a long time.

Which is part of why our treating them as if they are still the gigantic supower and same form of communism they were back then is not clear for reason to a lot of onlookers, both here and all over the world. Our country does all kinds of crap like put missile launchers all over right next to them (we say "Oh but we aren't putting offensive nuclear missiles in them. Really, we're putting defensive anti-aircraft missiles in them." Yeah what a lame excuse since one can do either). Then we act like they are somehow aggressive toward us. We constantly bulley Russia now all while acting like they are bullying us.

And this might have continued with people oblivious, except "the internet." Now anybody can actually see -- almost constantly -- the actual, official meetings of major world organizations, serious interviews with world leaders, and more. And the more the world sees of Putin, the more he is just damned hard to dislike as some hideous evil. Even though I assume all national leaders are due to my own biases.

But if you listen to the situations, and what he and others say, and see that this spans many years now, the only thing clear is that the USA behaves internationally a lot like the left and media operates here -- as a huge bully, who while stomping on nearly everyone, will single out various enemies and insist that they are the ones bullying. We can all but obliterate big swaths of country after country and it's ok, but if they have any conflicts at all of their own, we take the side of whomever they are fighting with and propaganda about how evil Russia is becomes inescapable.

And no matter how they say, Anybody can see -- this is so not true, the facts and evidence are open for everyone -- the more they are shouted into submission with "everything you say is a lie because you're evil" basically. It's slow, but I think more people internationally are getting as sick of our country acting like this, as the people inside our country are getting of our media and corporate-left behaving the same way internally.


The oligarchy in charge is desperate to drive a wedge between the USA and Western Europe, and cause deep divisions within our country.

You said this following the sentence I quoted above. Like your entire justification for "why" they are the ultimate evil is because they are having hard times -- which is nothing new for them and it's been worse. That doesn't make them inherently the enemy -- it just makes them a non-ally, in great part thanks to our own behavior, that is about 1/12 the size of our power if that.


A confused, isolated America with no friends...except Russia? How convenient!

Hilarious! Geez, if anybody's sitting around working for a government I think it might be you LOL! Oooooh the poor USA. They're so confused and isolated. Big Bad Russia, now with about 1/10 to 1/15 of the mil budget we've got and their whole economy coming back from the worst crash, and utter chaos in their whole part of the world, and the middle east right next door on one side, and the giant china on the other -- I think they are busier with trying to stay afloat than trying to bully us.

Putin is a man trying desperately to save his country. It only takes watching him even a little let alone a lot, on youtube for example, to see that he's a better statesman than anybody our country's had since WWII.


That, is exactly what Putin and his buddies want. They want us tearing one another apart here, and they want our country to be isolated from our former allies.

I think what Putin wants is to keep his country from imploding from all the pressure, keep the 800# gorilla USA from using the same cold-war mentality we had and refuse to get rid of to continue pretending they are the bad guy while we are openly bullying most the planet. This is not merely attitude, it's actions: there's a lot of stuff that we made agreements not to do, Russia kept their agreements, and we have violated them flagrantly and ongoing for decades.

It is the left in this country that is being clearly funded for subversion -- and if you're going to blame Russia for involvement in the past with 5th column stuff, it was the left where that was present -- and still present, but most people truly communist hate Putin's new Russia because it's not Marxist anymore.


China is putting a LOT of pressure on Russia.

They always have.


The quality of life in Russia is declining fast, and the people are restless.

The quality of life in Russia has never been particularly good, and the people are no more visibly restless than they have ever been.


This is why you see the government of Russia exert such a stranglehold over the people.

They don't have nearly the stranglehold over people they had during the Cold War. The USSR broke up, remember? Russia is just a piece of what they used to be.


Russia is playing psyops and social engineering games with Americans, as they always have. This is nothing new. Russia has been using state-sponsored propaganda since the old Cold War days.

Yes, mostly as Marxist 5th column specifically to sponsor the political left. They may still be doing something, but given they are drastically smaller and poorer now and busy trying to survive, spending huge sums dedicated to getting Americans pissed off at each other seems a little like it'd be a priorities problem. Aside from which, who says we need anybody to gets us fighting each other? No need to fund what is openly apparent all on its own.

(to be continued)



posted on Nov, 17 2016 @ 07:05 PM
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Today, however, they are now using the internet. Entire buildings have nothing but young Russians sitting at computers behind proxies and VPNs pretending to be alt-right and conservatives. New memes are created and plastered all over social media and web forums.

An assumption. So you're basically implying that the things important to conservatives and the alt-right in our country, are not really important to our people. It's merely that we are all brainwashed dupes of the evil Russian overlord.

Well I suppose that's a different tactic than "you're just all racist sexist morons" which is the usual invalidation of conservatives.

It's also of course designed to make it sound like if our new President chooses to have less war and more diplomacy with Russia, that it's because Russia is subverting us.


There was already an angry conservative base in America, Russia just had to come in an easily infiltrate and hijack it. It's brilliant, actually. It seems to be working very well.

LOL! This is such a huge distortive filter. The thing our conservative base is angry about, is the left's bullying and government corruption and permawar and more. That did not require secret russian operatives filling a building with internet subversives to brainwash us via internet.

I used to find it slightly amusing that for 8 years since Bush Jr. left office, every damn thing is still his fault. Good side of Trump winning is finally the media/left is going to be willing to blame things on someone else. This is even better though: The cold war ended DECADES ago, Russia's now a vastly smaller, less powerful country trying to hang on, but even in our OWN country, it's not our fault -- oh, it's not our corrupted leaders and decades of smooth criminals and corporatism, no of course not -- it's Russia's fault! Yes! It's THEIR doing, not ours!


For conservatives to suddenly do a 180 flip on Russia is quite telling...

What conservatives are getting to is not wanting to keep doing the same thing while expecting a different result, Einstein's definition of "insanity." We've done nothing but hate on Russia and bomb countries all over and now it's clear that is not only not working to anybody's advantage except some uber global corp pocketbooks, but it's making things constantly worse all over the planet even here.


If Americans are OK with rising nationalism

Nationalism -- like a 'country' version of 'racism' -- because "patriotism, pride and interest in the benefit of one's own country" is now considered a moral crime. That's another thing the conservative base is 'angry' about while we're at it.


and isolationism,

It is not isolationism to want to care about the best interests of the internal country. That is a strawman, and it is bully behavior, akin to saying that an interest in having secure borders means one hates mexico or mexicans.

It's a subtle political dysfunction -- much like living with someone dsyfunctionally abusive -- where even wanting to have a normal healthy self-interest is taken to mean one is instead selfish and being offensive to someone else.


don't you find it odd that Russia is suddenly one of the only countries we're OK with?

We are ok with lots of countries. It is not that Russia is cozy and everyone else is an enemy. It's that Russia has been treated as the enemy, we've been on the verge of sparking what could become the next world war for decades, and it's been the corrupted corporatism of our own leaders doing that crap, and now there's a leader who is not walking into or from the same family of circle-jerk mutual interests that are theirs, not the country's.


Suddenly they're our best friends forever?

You are clearly carried away, but it would be great if the mutual interest of dealing with the utterly gigantic issue of islamic terrorism planetwide made us allies rather than enemies.

Maybe nobody remembers the school in the Russian territories that had over 200 children blown up by muslim terrorists. Oh yeah the American media didn't much mention they were muslim. Maybe they don't remember the blown up hijacked airplane around that same time, again in Russian territories by muslims -- wait, I don't think the US media mentioned they were muslims either. Rather like the rioting I watched for DAYS online in videos in France a couple decades ago while the US media said NOTHING AT ALL about it, and when finally forced to, said "disaffected youths were protesting" -- as opposed to, "men throwing molotav bombs at cars and carrying signs and shouting Allah Akbar had taken over the streets destroying property and so on." Russia has suffered horribly from islamic terrorism -- those are nowhere near the only things. If there was a single issue that many countries could come together about -- Jordan and Egypt are middle eastern countries but they too have serious issues with it -- it would be this issue.


The proof of social engineering via state-sponsored propaganda is everywhere. People in America are so frustrated with our own media they'll flock to obvious propaganda sites like RT. It's RT people, it pushes a pro-Russian agenda.
"But it's not American owned! It HAS to be better!"
That's how they get ya.
Don't buy into the propaganda. Be a patriot and put America first.


First: our media deserves all the kicking it gets and about a billion times more. Of course people are frustrated with it, although obviously not all of them.

There are plenty of sites with 'agendas,' and some of those are 'foreign' agendas, and nearly all of them use some existing element of American society to find rapport. I don't disagree this exists, I merely disagree that it's all Russians brainwashing the right.

RC




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