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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Black_Fox
No matter How you look at the ACA , it is Unconstitutional . The SCOTUS Knows that , but by Giving the Obama Administration an OUT by Calling it a Tax , they Rid themselves of having to do their Jobs of Upholding the Constitution .
Which should have sunk the ACA in the first place. It was passed without a separation clause. Any changes made to one part of the law should have deep-sixed the whole damn thing. But no, we have an Executive branch that ignored their oath to uphold the COTUS and only enforce laws passed by the Congress and deemed satisfactory by the SCOTUS *AS IT WAS WRITTEN.*
originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Teikiatsu
Which should have sunk the ACA in the first place. It was passed without a separation clause. Any changes made to one part of the law should have deep-sixed the whole damn thing. But no, we have an Executive branch that ignored their oath to uphold the COTUS and only enforce laws passed by the Congress and deemed satisfactory by the SCOTUS *AS IT WAS WRITTEN.*
We also have public that is refusing to do their duty.
(thats you and me)
We have tried. Every election is supposed to be a revolution, a change to the government. 2010, 2012 and 2014 we gave the GOP more and more power in the House to get rid of the ACA. More and more the Democrats are *supposed* to be reading the tea leaves about their support. Now we have Trump.
originally posted by: Joki42
Yup, I am a single male and make 1600 a month. The cheapest coverage I can get is $400 a month, $7000 deductible, and 50% co-pay. For me to have medical insurance I would have to live out of my car. This is forced enslavement, paying everything we have just for the right to live.
makes you wonder what ever happened to your RIGHT to life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
of those 3 the first thing mentioned is life
if you need medical care to prevent you from dying then it should be free,in keeping with your constitutional right to life.
it says you were endowed with the right to life by your creator,so how can a lack of money or health insurance take away a right that your creator gave you?
so, either provide everyone with free healthcare or amend the bill of rights to reflect the fact that you have a right to life if you can afford to pay for it.
makes you wonder what ever happened to your RIGHT to life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
of those 3 the first thing mentioned is life
if you need medical care to prevent you from dying then it should be free,in keeping with your constitutional right to life.
it says you were endowed with the right to life by your creator,so how can a lack of money or health insurance take away a right that your creator gave you?
so, either provide everyone with free healthcare or amend the bill of rights to reflect the fact that you have a right to life if you can afford to pay for it.
originally posted by: seeker1963
originally posted by: imjack
originally posted by: Black_Fox
originally posted by: imjack
originally posted by: Black_Fox
originally posted by: imjack
originally posted by: Black_Fox
If you wanna drive and own a car, you must have insurance
Why?
originally posted by: Black_Fox
Obummercare, if you don't, then you get a fine out of your taxes.
People that 'use things' should have insurance on them. Sounds reasonable? People that have never had insurance should be banned from hospitals right? Just like driving?
Do you get fined if you choose not to drive and get car insurance? No,no you don't.
So if you cant afford obummer care,cause your already poor, you should be fined?
So you don't mind paying for roads, but you do mind paying for something you absolutely will need at one point in your life?
You avoided the question, if your already to poor to afford obummercare, you should be fined for being broke?
No, you should be banned from hospitals. Or pay the bill. The reason this law exists is because poor people who did not have insurance found it reasonable to use services for free. Do you think that is acceptable? Guess what, now they have another affordable insurance plan. Unless there is some kind of point that Obamacare is beyond competitive and affordable compared to other plans. In that event, just take the even-cheaper insurance, and tah-duh, no fine.
Should the same apply to those who can't afford food?
Just to frame it in a manner one such as your self can understand, you do realize that being free means being able to survive?? Yet to survive you need the ability to forage for meat, which in order to kill an animal you have to pay the government in order to do so legally?
How about growing food? How many people who own land who choose to do it in their yards have been fined by the local government because if offended someone whom thought that it brought the property value down?
Yea, keep begging for someone to enslave you, because that's what you're are doing!
originally posted by: Nucleardoom
originally posted by: imjack
Why is Geico okay, but Obamacare not?
Oh ya, because Geico has a cute little gecko and Obamacare has the name Obama in it.
People are so surface level.
Sorry, bad comparison because the lizard isn't a compulsive liar.
Oh yeah, and you can keep your doctor.
Looked at from the vantage point of the original Constitution, ObamaCare should be dead on arrival. But the New Deal transformation of long-established Commerce Clause jurisprudence has introduced a set of unprincipled (but fine-grained) distinctions that turn the law into a mass of linguistic absurdities that should lead ordinary people to question the collective sanity of the legal profession. From the straightforward prose of the Commerce Clause, Judge Silberman concludes (accurately) that “[t]oday, the only recognized limitations are that (1) Congress may not regulate non-economic behavior based solely on an attenuated link to interstate commerce, and (2) Congress may not regulate intrastate economic behavior if its aggregate impact on interstate commerce is negligible.”
originally posted by: Joki42
Yup, I am a single male and make 1600 a month. The cheapest coverage I can get is $400 a month, $7000 deductible, and 50% co-pay. For me to have medical insurance I would have to live out of my car. This is forced enslavement, paying everything we have just for the right to live.
Sadly like everything in America money talks and BS walk, states really never enforced insurance gouging and with soo much money been funneled by lobbyist to keep the panels gag and blindfolded now we see the side effects of faulty politicians decisions. After all most programs and laws that our for the people politicians pass in Capitol hill are written by lobbyist lawyers ACA was not exception
Clinton is aware there are issues with ACA. She is planning on making improvements, but doesn't want to throw the baby out with the bath water. It does need to be cleaned up. I hope she will do it quickly if she goes into office.