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reply posted on 6-2-2005 @ 08:21 PM by Off_The_Street
smallpeeps says:

" The majority of taxes go to National Defense and building weapons. Americans will always pay their taxes, and they will NEVER take control of where those taxes go, so the MIC dog will always get fed first."

Sorry, smallpeeps, I did the Very Bad Thing: research!

If you go to www.whitehouse.gov... you'll find that 2004 budget outlays for Military and Defense spending total is 467,886, Health and Human Services 772,995, Housing/Urban Development 32,726, on Budget Social Security 63,195, and Off-Budget Social Security 590,801 (all numbers are millions of dollars).

So welfare alone is 126% of all our military spending, and when you add up all the other "entitlement" programs mentioned above, they equal more than three times what we spend on defense.

And by the way, the defense budget is 18.8 percent of the total budget outlays. Back when I went to school, "majority" means more than 50 percent.

Smallpeeps, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, our motto here is to deny ignorance, not perpetuate it; and your spending just a few minutes researching before you post would go along way to helping us all meet those goals.

You need to think about your credibility.

[edit on 6-2-2005 by Off_The_Street]


reply posted on 6-2-2005 @ 08:31 PM by soficrow
Originally posted by Off_The_Street
smallpeeps says:

" The majority of taxes go to National Defense and building weapons. Americans will always pay their taxes, and they will NEVER take control of where those taxes go, so the MIC dog will always get fed first."

If you go to www.whitehouse.gov... you'll find that 2004 budget outlays for Military and Defense spending total is 467,886, Health and Human Services 772,995, Housing/Urban Development 32,726, on Budget Social Security 63,195, and Off-Budget Social Security 590,801 (all numbers are millions of dollars).






The government's budgets are so convoluted and layered, it's next to impossible to figure out what's what and how much is really going where. And you sure can't believe what they tell you!

You'll get a better idea about what's happening if you check out these articles.

Greasing the Skids of Corruption

Talking Points about the Iraq Contracts and War Profiteers


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reply posted on 6-2-2005 @ 09:14 PM by soficrow
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Sheeple? Not a word I use.

We're certainly at a cross-roads though, here and now.


1. The new federal budget being submitted tomorrow prioritizes international corporate profits over the safety and health of American people and US soil. Most of the allocations are funnelled to international corporations, not even American ones. American troops are being dissed in the budget because the military is in transition.

Soon, contract special ops from private, international security corporations will work almost exclusively with robots, instead of US troops. The military budget is allocated to effect this transition.

2. At the same time, America is facing a crisis with Mad Cow and other prion related diseases. This is a real and present danger right here at home, on American soil, right here and right now. Scientific reports are being published almost daily. Prions already are contaminating our water, food and nearly everything else. We do not need to fear boogeyman bioterrorists - only inaction, and bad leadership.

3. The Federal Budget does not deal with this crisis. At all. In fact, it dismantles or cuts funding to the few protections that do exist.


How International Corporations Take Money Away from the Troops


Outsourcing the Pentagon

Privatizing War - How affairs of state are outsourced to corporations beyond public control

Mercenary Firms and War Profiteers 1
Mercenary Firms and War Profiteers 2

Executive Outcomes: A new kind of army for privatized global warfare

Dogs Of War Inc. - A $300 Billion Dollar Business



A Quick Overview of Robot Technology


Microbots: Towards a Better Military

The Talon Robot: Ready for Iraq

Fly-eating robot powers itself






reply posted on 7-2-2005 @ 03:40 AM by Muaddib
Originally posted by marg6043
The truth is that bombs will be produced in 2005 this years in Los Alamos and it will not be only small bombs but big and all kind of bombs, something that people should be aware of.


First, please do give a link to back what you say.

Second, you do know that the Russians, just to name one country, have developed a "Wonder Weapon" as they named it in 2004, that can dodge any missile systems.... This wonder weapon can be fitted with a nuclear warhead.

What is the Meaning of the Russian Wonder Weapon?

Russia Tests New Wonder Weapon

The Chinese are not too far behind either.

This is from 1995 but it shows what the Chinese are also doing.

Despite international protests, China continues to conduct nuclear tests to develop lighter warheads for new missiles that fly farther and are more accurate.

"China is in the process of building a more reliable and longer-range arsenal because that is what great powers do. The Chinese are expending an enormous amount of money, but prestige has an awful lot to do with it," says one U.S. government specialist who tracks China's nuclear program. Many U.S. officials do not believe that China poses a direct threat to the United States, but U.S. defense planners still evaluate potential military scenarios in which Chinese nuclear forces could be turned against American targets. "There is a real possibility that the Chinese are developing their arsenal to keep the United States at bay as they work their will in East Asia," says a U.S. government analyst. Chinese generals view China's "sovereignty" as extending to Taiwan and disputed territories such as the Spratly Islands, which China seized in February 1995.


Excerpted from.
China's Nuclear Ambition Grows

The Chinese are very secretive and as it has been proven in at least one occassion, they were able to keep as a secret a new type of sub until recently...I am sure they can keep many other secrets...

The response of the US would be of course to build more weapons too. What exactly did you expect?



reply posted on 8-2-2005 @ 12:10 PM by soficrow
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Was looking for info on Carlyle and Lockheed, and tripped over the info that led to this article:


Halliburton Wins Again

But the problem is not really Halliburton, or Lockheed, or Carlyle - the issue is accountability and transparency in government - and our ability to protect our nation from corporate predators.

As far as corporate scapegoating goes - the big guys change front companies like we change socks - they've always got more circling, waiting to attack. ...We need to focus on the system, not get distracted trying to identify each and every new shark. There be sharks. They come in packs, whenever they smell fresh blood. That's what we need to know.

A quick review of the history is in order...

Back around 1850, when corporate charters were still conferred by kings, America broke the aristocracy's back by creating a system to license corporations - and blew kings right out of the equation.

Our leaders rightly feared the creation of a new corporate royalty - that would function exactly like monarchies did - so they also created anti-monopoly legislation. This legislation prevented any corporation from getting too big, usurping the power of government, and re-establishing the aristocracy under corporate cover.

The protections worked, but the sharks have been nibbling it away, one bite at a time. ...Back in the 1960's, activists saw that the bid guys were gobbling up the little guys, and creating monopolies that slid in just under the radar. So they screamed blue murder. They could monitor the situation because the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) was open to the public, and the information was free.

So the new corporate royalty arranged to have SEC terms and laws changed. Now, we need permission to look at the records, and every piece of paper has a fee attached. Computerized access would be relatively cost free - but we are forced to go to New York and apply in person to deal with hard copy. Permission to view SEC records is routinely denied, but even with approval, it costs a fortune to track a company's pedigree. This is called an "economic barrier."

...The corporations that benefit from our tax dollars are not even American. They are international global businesses with more economic and political clout than our nation.

...IMO - If we really want to know who determines US policy, and what our military priorities really are - we should look into the Bank of International Settlements (BIS). That's likely where most of the money ends up - and where we'll learn about the hottest latest "investment opportunities."



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