It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.


Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.


Northrop Grumman Given Contract for Laser Beam Director for Fighters, Prototype Expected 2019

page: 2
<< 1   >>

log in


posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 04:08 PM
Just my few thoughts ;-)

Using the lift fan in flight would create many problems for the flight profile, not least positive yaw / roll from the rotational torque, secondary would be heat production from operating the fan with doors closed, remember you can't vent anything otherwise your IR signature would be immense and those fan operate hot already even full vented.

but the biggest problem is countermeasures, even high power lasers are notoriously easy to deflect, rain, cloud almost anything outside of clean dry weather can lose you upto 50% of your laser power to target. combination coatings (anything to break up surface smoothness, carbon / ceramic honeycomb tiles plus glass fragments is the favourite, even industrial lasers have a problem penetrating it in lab conditions. It's a common misconception that lasers delivery a 'punch' to a target, they don't - even though they carry excited photons to target, most of their energy is in non visible wavelengths and any visible punch is created by superheating and destruction of surface material (dust, paint, moisture etc)

Add in those problems, trying to track, acquire and lock onto a fast moving target and then deliver a shot is no mean feat, none of this nice gentle drone footage where the target maintains a nice level flightpath, simple skin detectors can flag up a laser hit and even slight movement will basically end the laser hit.

on a fighter sized aircraft, energy storage , recharge and discharge are the problem, even with the latest super capacitors as used in the new prototype railguns BAE are currently testing in Scotland, your max firing time may be upto 10 seconds per shot, unless your target is perfectly compliant, that's not going to do that much physical damage to a target with any half decent countermeasures

Various companies have been playing with this for the last 20 years, hell BAE had a Tornado with a very hush hush laser and Hitachi capacitor setup mounted in to 2 empty JP233 weapons pods a few years ago, that was screaming around trying to knock holes in things up at Dundrennan.

They had half of Hitachi's tech boys up there at one point, never seen so many shivering little Jap guys in one place lol

anyway they managed to knock the outer skin off of a few of the static aircraft targets there, even dent a few windows but they were incredibly tight lipped about the specifications of the equipment (even though we were the security detail) they admitted they didn't believe they could take down a protected aerial vehicle.

Obviously that was a few years back, tech moves at a fast pace but I doubt the timescale of 3 years to a working system is realistic

edit on 3004America/Chicagob201641120161139 by TheBogmonster because: .

posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 04:43 PM
a reply to: anzha

They have had a bolt on Guardian system for KC-135s for about four years now.

posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 10:13 PM

originally posted by: nelloh62
a reply to: Bedlam

So, in theory, might a multi poled magnet/mhd generator up front, tbbc engine in middle followed by another mhd accelerator maybe get us to a mach 6/7 ?

posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 10:19 PM
Red Mercury magnetic accelerators old skool now?

posted on Nov, 5 2016 @ 01:00 AM
a reply to: TheBogmonster

I am really tired, so this may be less than coherent.

Using the lift fan in flight would create many problems for the flight profile

The fan is removed. The shaft is used to crank a generator. There is no interaction with the flight profile.

timescale of 3 years to a working system is realistic

We were shooting things down at HELSTF in 2001. That's not 3 years.

Pointer Tracker Systems do a great job. They have been since then at least.

What makes you think its easier to move a 30k+ lbs aircraft in a way that makes a laser spot drift easier than moving a beam director a few degrees? The J-20, the PAK-FA & the F-22 are not anime aircraft after all...

new topics

top topics
<< 1   >>

log in