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Australian nurses who spread anti-vaccination messages will now face prosecution

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posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 07:08 PM
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a reply to: VictorVonDoom

It's cool.

I'm trying to replace my blood with caffeine. I reckon I'm 50% blood/50% caffeine. I'm getting there lol.




posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 07:17 PM
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a reply to: TerryDon79




Your source is an anti-vaccine site. Regardless of who the members are, it's obviously biased.


No kidding - do you expect it to come out of a Big Pharma - pro vacc site?. Keep pumping those poisons into the young - gotta create tomorrows problems for big pharma to have a perpetual supply of sick. And its your tax dollars paying to make em rich



posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 07:20 PM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

The poisons that have saved millions of lives? Isn't that the opposite of what poison is supposed to do?

Oh, wait. A minority of people had minor to severe SIDE EFFECTS or ALLERGIC REACTIONS, so that makes it poison.
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posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 11:49 PM
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originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

The poisons that have saved millions of lives? Isn't that the opposite of what poison is supposed to do?

Oh, wait. A minority of people had minor to severe SIDE EFFECTS or ALLERGIC REACTIONS, so that makes it poison.


And on that note, can you tell me what poison/vaccine ended the scarlet fever epidemic?



posted on Nov, 5 2016 @ 12:41 AM
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a reply to: bigal7997

The 2 main things that stopped the epidemic was hygiene and people dying.

You do know that Scarlet Fever is caused by strep group a infection, don't you? And it's something that still around today.



posted on Nov, 5 2016 @ 02:28 AM
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originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: bigal7997

The 2 main things that stopped the epidemic was hygiene and people dying.

You do know that Scarlet Fever is caused by strep group a infection, don't you? And it's something that still around today.

Yes, hygiene, well done! And it's death rate dropped in a similar fashion to that of Measles from 1900 on without a vaccine.
So, what role did hygiene (hand washing, proliferation of plumbing, clean drinking water, etc) play in the drop in measles deaths? 1%? 100%? It's statistically difficult to solely credit a vaccine for the downfall of any disease.
Unless, of course, you have data to prove me wrong?



posted on Nov, 5 2016 @ 02:43 AM
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a reply to: seasonal

So much for free speech and so much for professional opinion from qualified heath care professionals.

I guess the next step is force them to make voluntary arguments in favor of the veracity of all vsaccines.

Imagine the job application question;

"Are your prepared to make voluntary statements supporting traditional health care treatments? Yes with box No: with box



posted on Nov, 5 2016 @ 04:06 AM
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a reply to: bigal7997

Prior to a vaccine, diptheria infected over 200'000 and killed 15'000 people per year in the US. Post vaccination introduction it is virtually non existent in the US - only 2 cases were recorded in 2014.

In the outbreak of '64-65 Rubella infected 12.5 million Americans, directly caused 11'000 miscarriages and killed 2'000 babies. In 2012 there were 9 reported rubella infections and there have been no outbreaks post vaccine introduction. Pre-1940 it was a very common cause of death in the UK. Post 1940 (when routine vaccination of children was introduced in the NHS) there have been a total of 40 recorded infections and only 1 death. That's in 76 years.

Polio, one of the most dreaded childhood diseases of the early 20th century, has been virtually eradicated in the US. The last naturally occurring cases were among an unvaccinated Amish community in 1979.

According to WHO, measles causes an average of 314 deaths per day worldwide, almost exclusively in areas without immunisation cover. In the US following a period of mass vaccination, the most reported infections in any year since 2000 was 668 with a total of 1 death in the last decade. That is down from about 500'000 infections and around 400-500 deaths annually in the US prior to 1968 when the vaccine was developed. Since vaccine introduction there has been an infection reduction of over 99% in the US and around 79% worldwide.

The list goes on.

People who think vaccines are poisons being pumped into us all in a conspiracy by big pharmacy need to take a look at the World pre-vaccine and at countries where they aren't offered. They need to see the devastating effect the conditions have on the victims.



posted on Nov, 5 2016 @ 08:54 AM
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a reply to: bigal7997

Prior to a vaccine, diptheria infected over 200'000 and killed 15'000 people per year in the US. Post vaccination introduction it is virtually non existent in the US - only 2 cases were recorded in 2014.

In the outbreak of '64-65 Rubella infected 12.5 million Americans, directly caused 11'000 miscarriages and killed 2'000 babies. In 2012 there were 9 reported rubella infections and there have been no outbreaks post vaccine introduction. Pre-1940 it was a very common cause of death in the UK. Post 1940 (when routine vaccination of children was introduced in the NHS) there have been a total of 40 recorded infections and only 1 death. That's in 76 years.

Polio, one of the most dreaded childhood diseases of the early 20th century, has been virtually eradicated in the US. The last naturally occurring cases were among an unvaccinated Amish community in 1979.

According to WHO, measles causes an average of 314 deaths per day worldwide, almost exclusively in areas without immunisation cover. In the US following a period of mass vaccination, the most reported infections in any year since 2000 was 668 with a total of 1 death in the last decade. That is down from about 500'000 infections and around 400-500 deaths annually in the US prior to 1968 when the vaccine was developed. Since vaccine introduction there has been an infection reduction of over 99% in the US and around 79% worldwide.

The list goes on.

People who think vaccines are poisons being pumped into us all in a conspiracy by big pharmacy need to take a look at the World pre-vaccine and at countries where they aren't offered. They need to see the devastating effect the conditions have on the victims.

What you are showing is correlation, not necessarily causation. Again, scarlet fever deaths dropped dramatically while there was no vaccine. I could say, "Thousands of people died from scarlet fever, then World War II, and now no one dies. See, WW2 ended scarlet fever," and it would be just as true as your post.



posted on Nov, 5 2016 @ 09:34 AM
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originally posted by: seasonal

Censorship leads to secrets and abuse and loss of freedom. Of course there are lines that need to be drawn, I'm glad I'm not involved with that process.


This is not censorship. This is stopping nurses from spreading dangerous misinformation which are presented as facts but have no evidence whatsoever to back them up.




originally posted by: bigal7997
Yes, hygiene, well done! And it's death rate dropped in a similar fashion to that of Measles from 1900 on without a vaccine.
So, what role did hygiene (hand washing, proliferation of plumbing, clean drinking water, etc) play in the drop in measles deaths? 1%? 100%? It's statistically difficult to solely credit a vaccine for the downfall of any disease.
Unless, of course, you have data to prove me wrong?


Not true. If hygiene was the reason for the decrease in preventable diseases then explain the following:

1) India has a massive sanitation problem, people still use rivers to drink, fish, wash, urinate and defecate (all in the same water) and in some parts only 21% of houses have a toilet. And yet India is now Polio free.

2) If sanitation is behind the Measles drop, as you stated, then why did Measles cases increased at the end of the '90s when parents refused to vaccinate their kids with MMR? So much that Measles, a disease that was pretty much under control, suddenly came roaring back and it has been declared endemic again in some developed countries? Sanitation didn't change, only immunisation did.

3) Again: same happened with Pertussis in the '70s, when false rumours spread and there was sa drop of Pertussis vaccination. In only a couple of years 100s of thousands of children got ill and many also died.



posted on Nov, 5 2016 @ 09:56 AM
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If the law could go after nurses for posting misinformation on social media, you would think the law could go after politicians for spouting outright lies on national media. Personally, it wouldn't hurt my feelings to see everyone who said that Obamacare would save the average family xxx dollars spending time in federal prison. Of course, that would mean that ATS membership would drop by at least a third.



posted on Nov, 5 2016 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: Agartha




This is not censorship. This is stopping nurses from spreading dangerous misinformation which are presented as facts but have no evidence whatsoever to back them up.


It is censorship, just because it is a dangerous thing that is unsavory to you doesn't make it so. By the way vaccines save lives, millions of 'em.

I don't like the Racial slurs, degrading women....., in alot of todays music, but I would fight for the music industries right to have the crap(in my opinion) out there. Same goes for the anti-vaxer's, I would fight for the right for their freedom as well.



posted on Nov, 5 2016 @ 10:08 AM
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If the law could go after nurses for posting misinformation on social media, you would think the law could go after politicians for spouting outright lies on national media. Personally, it wouldn't hurt my feelings to see everyone who said that Obamacare would save the average family xxx dollars spending time in federal prison. Of course, that would mean that ATS membership would drop by at least a third.


Logical and well said, I'm upset I didn't use my head for a moment and come up with that.



You are an asset.



posted on Nov, 5 2016 @ 10:13 AM
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Vaccines save lives...I'm a trainee mental health nurse and not one of my colleagues would say vaccines are harmful.
Any which did should not be in the healthcare profession.



posted on Nov, 5 2016 @ 10:23 AM
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Vaccines save lives...I'm a trainee mental health nurse and not one of my colleagues would say vaccines are harmful. Any which did should not be in the healthcare profession.

You do admit that, like any other medical treatment, there is a very small percentage of people who will have all sorts of reactions from a little discomfort to dieing right? And yes vaccines save huge numbers of people and I have them and so do my family.
Not telling people that there is an almost insignificant number of people effected.



posted on Nov, 5 2016 @ 10:35 AM
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a reply to: Agartha

Can you please provide sources that back up those 3 claims?



posted on Nov, 5 2016 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: seasonal

Yes everything has a risk but in care I for one do not want to be the cause of someones death because I fell for all the BS Wakefield said (because he wanted to sell single vaccines).
The reward outweighs any risk.
Anyreal healthcare professional knows it is our duty of care to stay vaccinated, I highly doubt many believe the crap people say about vaccines.



posted on Nov, 5 2016 @ 10:48 AM
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I highly doubt many believe the crap people say about vaccines.


Then why censor it?



posted on Nov, 5 2016 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: bigal7997

Sufficient frequency of correlation creates grounds for assumption of causation. That is how most scientific theories work. You carry out an action enough times and if the outcomes create a pattern you can postulate a theory of causation.

In other words X is happening. If I do Y it changes. I do this enough times and the same thing happens. I do not do Y on another group but keep all other factors equal. No change is noted. I can now assume that Y has an effect on X.

With vaccines the conditions were happening. Vaccines were added to a group affected by this. The conditions reduced significantly. Vaccines were not administered to another and the conditions continue. Do this enough times and causation is now assumed. It's very simple science and the basis of medical research.
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posted on Nov, 5 2016 @ 11:00 AM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: TheKnightofDoom




I highly doubt many believe the crap people say about vaccines.


Then why censor it?


It's not being censored.

You're still thinking that there's freedom of speech when it comes to the workplace. There isn't.




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