Does "time" really exist?

a reply to: dragonridr

You cannot go back in time because you are now always. Even if you had a time machine when you get out of it - it would still be now for you.

originally posted by: InTheLight
The scenery, which can be perceived as real or imaginary, is in constant motion as science observes that all molecules are in constant motion. So if this is an illusion, then some of us would be capable of stopping the constant motion of molecules, but we can not.

The reason why what is moving is sometimes called an illusion is because it is constantly changing - appearing things come and go - and never stay. That is why humans live with fear - because they believe they are a thing and things have a beginning and ending.
It is that which knows there is an appearance which is constant and is not an illusion. It never appears because it is seeing and knowing that which appears.
Seeing and knowing is happening now. And now constantly appears different.

Time is just a thought - an idea that happens now.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight
The scenery, which can be perceived as real or imaginary, is in constant motion as science observes that all molecules are in constant motion. So if this is an illusion, then some of us would be capable of stopping the constant motion of molecules, but we can not.

The reason why what is moving is sometimes called an illusion is because it is constantly changing - appearing things come and go - and never stay. That is why humans live with fear - because they believe they are a thing and things have a beginning and ending.
It is that which knows there is an appearance which is constant and is not an illusion. It never appears because it is seeing and knowing that which appears.
Seeing and knowing is happening now. And now constantly appears different.

Time is just a thought - an idea that happens now.

IINA, have you ever been able to stop the 'movement' and just be in the nothingness now?

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight
The scenery, which can be perceived as real or imaginary, is in constant motion as science observes that all molecules are in constant motion. So if this is an illusion, then some of us would be capable of stopping the constant motion of molecules, but we can not.

The reason why what is moving is sometimes called an illusion is because it is constantly changing - appearing things come and go - and never stay. That is why humans live with fear - because they believe they are a thing and things have a beginning and ending.
It is that which knows there is an appearance which is constant and is not an illusion. It never appears because it is seeing and knowing that which appears.
Seeing and knowing is happening now. And now constantly appears different.

Time is just a thought - an idea that happens now.

IINA, have you ever been able to stop the 'movement' and just be in the nothingness now?

I have not stopped the movement, however every night in deep sleep - it appears to stop.
No one can be 'in' the nothingness. All that appears is nothing appearing as something/everything.

a reply to: alphabetaone

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a reply to: dfnj2015

Time is a measurement, so no it does no exist. Just man made concept.

It is an obvious we are constantly moving forward this does not however give the ability to rewind like a video as nothing is recorded. Although some people would like to believe this is the case.

However light can be viewed as past, present and future depending what light you are viewing and where from, we are talking millions of light years away where light is old to those viewing. However this is only the perception of something visual, nothing physical. When people talk about travelling in time with the ability to travel away from earth, that is only gravities effect on our bodies ageing us. However of course due to our lives on earth moving forward living our lives in earths current effects we get older faster on our calendars.

originally posted by: BlackProject
a reply to: dfnj2015

Time is a measurement, so no it does no exist. Just man made concept.

It is an obvious we are constantly moving forward this does not however give the ability to rewind like a video as nothing is recorded. Although some people would like to believe this is the case.

However light can be viewed as past, present and future depending what light you are viewing and where from, we are talking millions of light years away where light is old to those viewing. However this is only the perception of something visual, nothing physical. When people talk about travelling in time with the ability to travel away from earth, that is only gravities effect on our bodies ageing us. However of course due to our lives on earth moving forward living our lives in earths current effects we get older faster on our calendars.

If we somehow provided evidence that we are a sliver of 3D reality, within a 4D reality.. some of this might change some things about time travel. Other than that, time would remain non-physical.

Here or in space? If space , where in space?

And at what speed traveling through space affects time?

But they did tests showing variance in time space versus earth.

Stay in time you'll enjoy it better. Cause when your out of time it's pure death


a reply to: dfnj2015

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
You're moving. So therefore time exists.

It's probably best expressed as a paradox.
It does and doesn't exist both simultaneously.

So although I'm partially contradicting my earlier statement, I am also not contradicting it.

If it both exists and does not exist, then it exists, no? Non-existence only the negation of existence.

As a general reply to the thread, hours and meters are arbitrary ideas but that doesn't mean time doesn't exist. Of course it's not a physical thing, it's a phenomenon that manifests through physical reality. If there's no time, then why are we existing now and not yesterday? Can you guys come up with a better explanation for this than time? Also, relativity; clocks run faster or slower depending on their speed and the strength of gravity, it is proven. How do you explain this without time? And what about the fact that time is used as a factor in calculations for, let's say, nuclear missiles? Is the target data not real then?

But speaking of phenomena (Kant's phenomena and noumena), aren't human constructs really the only thing that is real? Reality is what we experience, we know absolutely nothing about the what actually is going on, only what we can see and think. Yes, there must be an even realer reality as a basis for our existence but it's not real to us. So in a way OP is right, but then that would apply to everything.

Edit: Heh, actually you could say that reality is relative too.

As reality is an observed creation/illusion "Time" also fits within that remit.

originally posted by: DreamerOracle
As reality is an observed creation/illusion "Time" also fits within that remit.

Have you ever seen time? Look now and see if you can see time.
What is seen (observed) now?

The thing is no one can say what is seen now - it is ungraspable and impossible to describe in words. So words divide now into before and after and in that 'before and after' the mind seems to have power - but before and after does not appear to exist - only what is actually happening appears to exist - which is sometimes labelled now.

originally posted by: Cutepants
If there's no time, then why are we existing now and not yesterday?

Existence is now - yesterday exists now as a word only!
There's a pub in town that has a sign up above the bar, it reads: Free drinks all day tomorrow.

Reality is what we experience, we know absolutely nothing about the what actually is going on, only what we can see and think.

You are knowing what appears - including thought. Thought arises now and speaks of other times - the seeing of thought happens now.

Time dont exist. So is. miles. Liters. Kilograms. Its just there to make humen life more controlable.

Ps... your argument is invalid.

a reply to: InTheLight
The scenery is moving but you never move.
Have you noticed that what you are never moves?

My man, reality doesn't even exist. You, I, we, and this don't actually exist. All of it is illusion.

So no time doesn't exist.

originally posted by: Cutepants

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
You're moving. So therefore time exists.

It's probably best expressed as a paradox.
It does and doesn't exist both simultaneously.

So although I'm partially contradicting my earlier statement, I am also not contradicting it.

If it both exists and does not exist, then it exists, no? Non-existence only the negation of existence.

As a general reply to the thread, hours and meters are arbitrary ideas but that doesn't mean time doesn't exist. Of course it's not a physical thing, it's a phenomenon that manifests through physical reality. If there's no time, then why are we existing now and not yesterday? Can you guys come up with a better explanation for this than time? Also, relativity; clocks run faster or slower depending on their speed and the strength of gravity, it is proven. How do you explain this without time? And what about the fact that time is used as a factor in calculations for, let's say, nuclear missiles? Is the target data not real then?

But speaking of phenomena (Kant's phenomena and noumena), aren't human constructs really the only thing that is real? Reality is what we experience, we know absolutely nothing about the what actually is going on, only what we can see and think. Yes, there must be an even realer reality as a basis for our existence but it's not real to us. So in a way OP is right, but then that would apply to everything.

Edit: Heh, actually you could say that reality is relative too.

There was no yesterday, there is only now. There is only ever now.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
I read this interesting article on "time" and it has stuck with me for long time. Time is a really strange idea. It's not like you can hold time in your hand and experience it like the way we all experience holding an apple. Nobody denies the existence of apples. Most people do not deny the existence of time. However, if you really look hard enough, or listen hard enough, does time really exist? It seems to me what we call time is just the difference between two arbitrary physical measurements. Time seems to be purely a human construct and does not really exist in reality. It seems time only exists in our words and language. The existence of time is only present in mind-space and not in real-space.

Nature may behave in repeating patterns that can be modeled in mathematics. And you could say the patterns themselves are evidence for the existence of time. But the patterns themselves are defined by time so there's a little bit of strange semantic loop in that way of thinking. Time by itself without a pattern to rest on is a bit of mystery.

Here's a quote from the article and link to the article:

"Julian Barbour's solution to the problem of time in physics and cosmology is as simply stated as it is radical: there is no such thing as time.
"If you try to get your hands on time, it's always slipping through your fingers," says Barbour. "People are sure time is there, but they can't get hold of it. My feeling is that they can't get hold of it because it isn't there at all." Barbour speaks with a disarming English charm that belies an iron resolve and confidence in his science. His extreme perspective comes from years of looking into the heart of both classical and quantum physics. Isaac Newton thought of time as a river flowing at the same rate everywhere. Einstein changed this picture by unifying space and time into a single 4-D entity. But even Einstein failed to challenge the concept of time as a measure of change. In Barbour's view, the question must be turned on its head. It is change that provides the illusion of time."

www.popsci.com...

Time is motion.

Think about it if every molecule every atom every particle and even light rays, EVERYTHING stopped moving completely . Would time exist then?

Yes, time exists. Claiming that time does not exist is simply an attention-grabbing publicity stunt. More appropriate would be to say: time is not what we thought it was.

To say time does not exist is similar to saying mathematics does not exist. It is a logically absurd claim. Time is a type of measurement. It exists conceptually, just like mathematics.

Time started when man began measuring it. Other than that, it does not.

originally posted by: kyleplatinum
You cannot have time, without movement.

You got it!

Time is simply a measurement of relative movement in space.