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Where is Bigfoot located?


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Topic started on 25-1-2005 @ 01:24 AM by soldier_of_the_lord


Hi , i am wanting people to tell me from their own knowledge or viewpoit where Bigfoot is supposed to exist....its habitat where its been most inhabited. I read that Oregon, Washington & California are a haven for bigfoot....id like to know what you think about this and where else they may exist.



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reply posted on 25-1-2005 @ 01:32 AM by Duzey


There have also been several reports of 'bigfoot', or is it 'bigfeet' if there are more than one on Vancouver Island in BC for years now. There is a wildlife biologist here who has been collecting evidence, John Bindernagel, B.S.A., MS, Ph.D..

While I have never contacted him, apparently he welcomes serious inquiries. You might want to try him.



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reply posted on 25-1-2005 @ 03:20 AM by BattleofBatoche


Well I've been working in remote areas around North Dakota, Montana, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, British Columbia, & the Yukon, and I keep hoping I'll see something BUT not yet. Although some guys on a Precision drilling rig said they were drilling away and some big hairy thing came & picked up a barrel of motor oil & threw it at the Rigs 'V' door then took off. Operations got shut down while biologists & rangers came in and took a look around. It was determined that it must have been a bear but since when do bears pick up oil drums and throw them?



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reply posted on 25-1-2005 @ 10:05 AM by Kakugo


First a disclaimer: I don't claim that Bigfoot either exist or is an hoax. I will just report the most popular theories currently available, excluding the various supernatural ones or the most lame ones. Note that many people devoted their lives and poured all their mettle in such work, so keep scoffing and ridicule to a minimum. Intelligent debunking and creative criticism is, however, much appreciated. Thank you.
Bigfoot is a giant hominid of Western North America, by extension the term is also applied to similar hominids elsewhere in North America. The term came into common use in 1958, probably coined by newspaper columnist Andrew Genzoli (California Times) when a series of huge track was found near Bluff Creek, California.
Habitat is montane forests, from Northern California, Oregon, Washington and Idaho north through British Columbia and southern Alberta to Alaska.
Physical descriptions agree on a bulky, robust body, completely covered with shaggy hair, colour ranging from dark brown to light brown and gray. Height is 6-10 feet, with an average of almost 8 feet. The head is small and pointed. Sloping forehead. Flat face. Wide mouth. Broad and flat nose. Arms are thick and long in proportion to height. Females have large, hairy breasts. Body weight estimated well in excess of 600 pounds. Huge shoulders and chest suggest an enormous physical strength.
Behaviour is difficult to piece together, but most researchers (Ivan Sanderson, Grover Krantz, etc) agree on a primarily nocturnal beast. Not afraid of water (most high primates, like chimpanzees, are terrified by it). Fast runner. Inactive in cold weather, has probably migratory habits. Solitary, though small family groups have been reported. A number of calls have attributed to Bigfoot, including high pitched whistles, screams and howls. A strong, putrid odor has often been reported. Omnivorous: splits rotten logs for grubs, searches for rodents by digging up rocks and piling them (a behaviour also attributed to other mystery hominids worldwide). Some suggest that it also pursue and kill deer. Shows curiosity about human activity. No use of fire or tools. Population in the Pacific Northwest has been exstimated at 1500-2000 adults.
Later I will post some biography and also some common theories.



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reply posted on 25-1-2005 @ 10:34 AM by Nygdan


Bigfoot is in maryland.

Thats where there are the most bigfoot sightings in the US.

Go figure.



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reply posted on 25-1-2005 @ 01:08 PM by soldier_of_the_lord


Thankyou Duzey....

Thats interesting battle....i believe it could be true, i just mean...picking up an oil barrel....thats interesting. I dont think ive heard of an account liek that before.

Nygdan, thanks also!

Kakugo....thatnkyou for a great writing...you gave me very apreciated information. It makes sense that its nocturnal, considering how little sightings there have been compared to how many there should be if it was a daylight predator. Your information makes alot of logical sense.



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reply posted on 25-1-2005 @ 04:36 PM by Kakugo


I am back. Most popular theories are the following:
1)The Brown bear (Ursus arctos) and the Black bear (Ursus americanus) might be misidentified when standing upright. But the general outline (the head particulary) is so much different. Also, as much as bear tracks look like human prints "the wrong way around" (big toes are on the inside of the stride and their feet turn inward), Bigfoot tracks have always been reported as huge "human" prints.
2)Hoaxes of both sightings and tracks are much more common than you can imagine. Some well-documented prints, however, would have required both a very elaborate foot (complete with dermal ridges and sweat pores) and somebody capable of exerting at least 450 pounds of pressure in compact soil for at least a mile.
3)A Gigantopithecus blacki, or an evolved form. It was a huge-jawed ape who lived in what is now China about 500.000 years ago. It is only known form jaw fragments and isolated teeth. Its estimated height was 9-10 feet tall and weight was more than 700 pounds. However, no weight bearing bones have been found, yet, and is possible that the teeth and jaws were disproportionate to the body size.
4)A Paranthropus robustus, or an evolved form. It was an exclusively African hominid whose youngest remains have been dated to be 850.000 years old. However, since post cranial weight bearing bones have been found, its size was way too small to make up a credible Bigfoot candidate (95-145 pounds).
5)An homegrown variety of American primate is extremely unlikely: see my previous post here.
As for biography, there's a wealth on books on the topic. Too bad many of them are plainly written in a hurry or by people without much knowledge. Some good titles are these:
Ivan Sanderson "Abominable Snowmen: Legend Come to Life" (Philadelfia: Chilton, 1961)
Gordon Strasenburgh Jr. "Paranthropus: Once and Future Brother" (Aarlington, Va.: G.R. Strasenburgh Jr., 1971)
Roderich Sprague and Grover Krantz, eds, "The Scientist Looks at the Sasquatch" (Moscow: Univeristy of Idaho Press, 1979)
Also, there's a wealth of information in the "Cryptozoology" periodical, with articles by Renè Dahinden, Grover Krantz and Donald Baird.
I can also suggest this one book about cryptozoology as whole:
George Eberhart "Mysterious Creatures: a Guide to Cryptozoology" (Santa Barbara, Ca.: ABC Clio,2002).
Many of these books and magazines are very, very hard to find nowaday. Eberhart's book contains a wealth of knowledge, is currently available, but it's impossibly priced.



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reply posted on 26-1-2005 @ 01:45 AM by soldier_of_the_lord


Wow fantastic info there Katugo...thankyou very much..it truly is appreciated...i will look into the Cryptozoology periodical. Thanks again!



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reply posted on 26-1-2005 @ 02:19 AM by iori_komei


I've heard that bigfoots live hear in Washington state, but I've never seen one, nor have I met anyone whom has.
I'm not saying their not real, but that they probably live more in the northeastern parts of washington.

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reply posted on 26-1-2005 @ 02:52 AM by Cherish


Big Foot is in the redwoods of the Northwest United States...more specifically, Northen California in a place called Willow Creek on HWY. 299. They even have a big foot museum there and I think they have an annual festival in his honor.

[edit on 1/26/2005 by Cherish]



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reply posted on 26-1-2005 @ 03:06 AM by Kakugo


Originally posted by soldier_of_the_lord
Wow fantastic info there Katugo...thankyou very much..it truly is appreciated...i will look into the Cryptozoology periodical. Thanks again!

You are welcome.



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reply posted on 26-1-2005 @ 08:19 AM by lchoro


Originally posted by Nygdan
Bigfoot is in maryland.

Thats where there are the most bigfoot sightings in the US.

Go figure.


I believe the state of Maryland has the Goat-Man.



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reply posted on 26-1-2005 @ 12:06 PM by popular mechanics


Hi,

not sure how popular the BFRO is, but certainly they provide a good outline of locations:

www.bfro.net...

I personally want to believe that "Bigfoots" live in Colorado at least, just because it's the only US state I'm aquainted with.
And naturally, I believe that the Snowmass region is particularly suitable for them.

My favourite report:

www.bfro.net...

Theo Stein (Denver Post) commented on this at great length:

www.n2.net...
www.n2.net...

If it's a known hoax please don't let me know.

*Pop*


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reply posted on 27-1-2005 @ 08:09 AM by optimus fett


dont know if this is relevant to you dude but most storys of the abominable snowman (which i would think are linked to the same species as big foot?) can be found eminating from a country called Bhutan,high up in the himalayan region.....its an intresting country full stop,so have a look if your intrested.
Regards.



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reply posted on 27-1-2005 @ 06:31 PM by popular mechanics


wow, that's a lofty nickname-
will copyright violations be prosecuted?

I'm unsure if you adressed to me, or to the author of this thread.

Anyhow I do not plan to follow in the steps of Reinhold Messner (and the Yeti).
I'm always looking for adventure, but not with mountains and frostiness please.
After following the board for awhile, I'd much rather see Pine Barrens, New Jersey.

To stay on topic:

I also believe that Bigfoot and Yeti are pretty much the same thing- an offroad creature with silly walks ...

and forgive me for being silly, but I will use this occasion to ask why the Yeti is always referred to as "the abominable" snowman in english literature?
You know, this reads quite prejudiced for foreign people.

Thanks,

*Incredibly Popular Mechanics*








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reply posted on 27-1-2005 @ 07:27 PM by UnBreakable


I live in Pennsylvania and stories are abundant here. In fact, I think PA. reported the most sightngs last year.


www.pabigfootsociety.com...



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reply posted on 28-1-2005 @ 04:45 AM by Kakugo


Originally posted by popular mechanics
wow, that's a lofty nickname-
will copyright violations be prosecuted?

I'm unsure if you adressed to me, or to the author of this thread.

Anyhow I do not plan to follow in the steps of Reinhold Messner (and the Yeti).
I'm always looking for adventure, but not with mountains and frostiness please.
After following the board for awhile, I'd much rather see Pine Barrens, New Jersey.

To stay on topic:

I also believe that Bigfoot and Yeti are pretty much the same thing- an offroad creature with silly walks ...

and forgive me for being silly, but I will use this occasion to ask why the Yeti is always referred to as "the abominable" snowman in english literature?
You know, this reads quite prejudiced for foreign people.

Thanks,

*Incredibly Popular Mechanics*








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To answer your questions: the Abominable Snowman is caused by a mispelling and a translation error. It appeared for the first time in the "Calcutta Statesman" in 1921. A telegraphist had mispelled the right Sherpa term METOH-KANGMI (Kangmi means "snow-man or glacier-man", while Metoh is an unknown word with varous local meanings, among them "unwashed", "wild" and "unkept") for METCH-KANGMI. Columnist Henry Newman had problems translating the first word and took it as a currupted or local form of "mi-sdug", meaning "disgusting" or "abominable". That's how the Abominable Snowman came into life.
Looking for the Yeti right now is NOT advised: a friend of mine recently went to Nepal on a research expedition (studying the local bear population) and had to cut short and return home because of the civil war. Jordi Magraner, the renown zoologist and Yeti researcher, was killed by militiamen while conducting studies on the Bar-Manu (how the Wildman is known in Pakistan).


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reply posted on 28-1-2005 @ 11:48 AM by popular mechanics


Originally posted by Kakugo
To answer your questions ( ... ) That's how the Abominable Snowman came into life.



Many thanks!

Your comments have aroused my deeper interest in the topic.
I should be working, instead I went for a short stroll through websites referring to Jordi Magraner. Found very neat articles by Francois de Sarre as well, and finally the fascinating studies of Bernard Heuvelmans.

Will not lump together Dinanthropoides Nivalis and Gigantanthropus Canadensis any longer.



-Bernard Heuvelmans (1916-2001)-

Cheers,
*Pop*




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reply posted on 28-1-2005 @ 12:27 PM by Kakugo


You are welcome.
If you are interested, Kegan Paul is currently reprinting Heuvelmans' "On the Tracks of Unknown Animals". You can get it from Amazon or straight from them. Expensive, but well worth every single penny. If you should ever buy a SINGLE cryptozoology book, this is it.



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reply posted on 28-1-2005 @ 12:52 PM by Blueangel7


I thought they had seen a Bigfoot in Arkansas, near Fouke. I really wish they had some real evidence. I would think they could catch a Bigfoot with all of the technology and camera equipment in today's world.



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