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reply posted on 25-1-2005 @ 10:05 AM by Kakugo
First a disclaimer: I don't claim that Bigfoot either exist or is an hoax. I will just report the most popular theories currently available, excluding the various supernatural ones or the most lame ones. Note that many people devoted their lives and poured all their mettle in such work, so keep scoffing and ridicule to a minimum. Intelligent debunking and creative criticism is, however, much appreciated. Thank you.
Bigfoot is a giant hominid of Western North America, by extension the term is also applied to similar hominids elsewhere in North America. The term came into common use in 1958, probably coined by newspaper columnist Andrew Genzoli (California Times) when a series of huge track was found near Bluff Creek, California.
Habitat is montane forests, from Northern California, Oregon, Washington and Idaho north through British Columbia and southern Alberta to Alaska.
Physical descriptions agree on a bulky, robust body, completely covered with shaggy hair, colour ranging from dark brown to light brown and gray. Height is 6-10 feet, with an average of almost 8 feet. The head is small and pointed. Sloping forehead. Flat face. Wide mouth. Broad and flat nose. Arms are thick and long in proportion to height. Females have large, hairy breasts. Body weight estimated well in excess of 600 pounds. Huge shoulders and chest suggest an enormous physical strength.
Behaviour is difficult to piece together, but most researchers (Ivan Sanderson, Grover Krantz, etc) agree on a primarily nocturnal beast. Not afraid of water (most high primates, like chimpanzees, are terrified by it). Fast runner. Inactive in cold weather, has probably migratory habits. Solitary, though small family groups have been reported. A number of calls have attributed to Bigfoot, including high pitched whistles, screams and howls. A strong, putrid odor has often been reported. Omnivorous: splits rotten logs for grubs, searches for rodents by digging up rocks and piling them (a behaviour also attributed to other mystery hominids worldwide). Some suggest that it also pursue and kill deer. Shows curiosity about human activity. No use of fire or tools. Population in the Pacific Northwest has been exstimated at 1500-2000 adults.
Later I will post some biography and also some common theories.


reply posted on 25-1-2005 @ 04:36 PM by Kakugo
I am back. Most popular theories are the following:
1)The Brown bear (Ursus arctos) and the Black bear (Ursus americanus) might be misidentified when standing upright. But the general outline (the head particulary) is so much different. Also, as much as bear tracks look like human prints "the wrong way around" (big toes are on the inside of the stride and their feet turn inward), Bigfoot tracks have always been reported as huge "human" prints.
2)Hoaxes of both sightings and tracks are much more common than you can imagine. Some well-documented prints, however, would have required both a very elaborate foot (complete with dermal ridges and sweat pores) and somebody capable of exerting at least 450 pounds of pressure in compact soil for at least a mile.
3)A Gigantopithecus blacki, or an evolved form. It was a huge-jawed ape who lived in what is now China about 500.000 years ago. It is only known form jaw fragments and isolated teeth. Its estimated height was 9-10 feet tall and weight was more than 700 pounds. However, no weight bearing bones have been found, yet, and is possible that the teeth and jaws were disproportionate to the body size.
4)A Paranthropus robustus, or an evolved form. It was an exclusively African hominid whose youngest remains have been dated to be 850.000 years old. However, since post cranial weight bearing bones have been found, its size was way too small to make up a credible Bigfoot candidate (95-145 pounds).
5)An homegrown variety of American primate is extremely unlikely: see my previous post
here.
As for biography, there's a wealth on books on the topic. Too bad many of them are plainly written in a hurry or by people without much knowledge. Some good titles are these:
Ivan Sanderson "Abominable Snowmen: Legend Come to Life" (Philadelfia: Chilton, 1961)
Gordon Strasenburgh Jr. "Paranthropus: Once and Future Brother" (Aarlington, Va.: G.R. Strasenburgh Jr., 1971)
Roderich Sprague and Grover Krantz, eds, "The Scientist Looks at the Sasquatch" (Moscow: Univeristy of Idaho Press, 1979)
Also, there's a wealth of information in the "Cryptozoology" periodical, with articles by Renè Dahinden, Grover Krantz and Donald Baird.
I can also suggest this one book about cryptozoology as whole:
George Eberhart "Mysterious Creatures: a Guide to Cryptozoology" (Santa Barbara, Ca.: ABC Clio,2002).
Many of these books and magazines are very, very hard to find nowaday. Eberhart's book contains a wealth of knowledge, is currently available, but it's impossibly priced.


reply posted on 26-1-2005 @ 12:06 PM by popular mechanics
Hi,

not sure how popular the BFRO is, but certainly they provide a good outline of locations:

www.bfro.net...

I personally want to believe that "Bigfoots" live in Colorado at least, just because it's the only US state I'm aquainted with.
And naturally, I believe that the Snowmass region is particularly suitable for them.

My favourite report:

www.bfro.net...

Theo Stein (Denver Post) commented on this at great length:

www.n2.net...
www.n2.net...

If it's a known hoax please don't let me know.

*Pop*


[edit on 26-1-2005 by popular mechanics]


reply posted on 28-1-2005 @ 04:45 AM by Kakugo
Originally posted by popular mechanics
wow, that's a lofty nickname-
will copyright violations be prosecuted?

I'm unsure if you adressed to me, or to the author of this thread.

Anyhow I do not plan to follow in the steps of Reinhold Messner (and the Yeti).
I'm always looking for adventure, but not with mountains and frostiness please.
After following the board for awhile, I'd much rather see Pine Barrens, New Jersey.

To stay on topic:

I also believe that Bigfoot and Yeti are pretty much the same thing- an offroad creature with silly walks ...

and forgive me for being silly, but I will use this occasion to ask why the Yeti is always referred to as "the abominable" snowman in english literature?
You know, this reads quite prejudiced for foreign people.

Thanks,

*Incredibly Popular Mechanics*








[edit on 27-1-2005 by popular mechanics]


To answer your questions: the Abominable Snowman is caused by a mispelling and a translation error. It appeared for the first time in the "Calcutta Statesman" in 1921. A telegraphist had mispelled the right Sherpa term METOH-KANGMI (Kangmi means "snow-man or glacier-man", while Metoh is an unknown word with varous local meanings, among them "unwashed", "wild" and "unkept") for METCH-KANGMI. Columnist Henry Newman had problems translating the first word and took it as a currupted or local form of "mi-sdug", meaning "disgusting" or "abominable". That's how the Abominable Snowman came into life.
Looking for the Yeti right now is NOT advised: a friend of mine recently went to Nepal on a research expedition (studying the local bear population) and had to cut short and return home because of the civil war. Jordi Magraner, the renown zoologist and Yeti researcher, was killed by militiamen while conducting studies on the Bar-Manu (how the Wildman is known in Pakistan).


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