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I have never felt the need for my body armor/bugoutbag and my AR15 near me until recently.

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posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 11:23 PM
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I am an American who believes in being prepared for anything. Since I have been "Awake" since about 2005 I have been slowly prepping and training for the eventual breakdown of society. My family and friends are all invested in a large parcel of land and the means to survive their indefinitely. However my biggest fear is when SHTF I will not be able to make it to the rally point. Our land is about 6 hours outside of Phoenix in a difficult place to get to without a major 4 wheel drive vehicle. I don't even want to fathom the hike it would take from phoenix lol.

Now I am a daily carry guy. Whenever permitted I have a Sig p238 on my person. Where prohibited it sits in my car and I have never felt that I was in a situation I couldn't handle. Until recently. Lately I have been having this nagging feeling that when SHTF depending on where I am I might not have the time or the ability to go home and grab my gear. I have this feeling that if I am not ready to leave right then I will be a victim and not a survivor.

So I have taken it upon myself to start carrying my bugout stuff in my vehicle. So far I have my bag with some survival equipment food and water. I have my AR500 class 3 body armor and my PSA AR15 with about 120 rounds of ammo and my boots. My boots are prob my most important piece of equipment out here in the desert where every plant wants to shove a sharp spine through your converse all stars.

Does anybody else take these precautions? I have this feeling when Trump is elected president there will be mass rioting from the uneducated masses and a lot of innocent people will be caught with their pants down trying to get home to arm up. I feel this way I at least have half a chance.




posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 11:42 PM
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a reply to: PraetorianAZ

Is it wrong to drive with an AR in the trunk?? I mean its legal after all. One never knows when something bad could happen. See man, for us, this is just normal preparation. Nobody ever questioned why people carried swords and bows on their travels 800 years ago. Why do people have to call us crazy because we want to be prepare with modern equivalents today??

Unlike the rest of the cattle, I do not buy into the illusion that we live in "safe" neighborhoods, or "safe" cities, or that crime and atrocities cannot happen in such a developed nation where we live.

This illusion that the world can be a safe place is just that, a fantasy fairy tale. And now for some reason TPTB have been warning us in popular media to that very truth. Is something going down after this year??? I kind of have a feeling maybe ...

I may just do what you are though and drive around with a BOB as well. I keep them at every location I consider important. I got six in this city, and three more in other states.
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posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 11:46 PM
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originally posted by: PraetorianAZ
I am an American who believes in being prepared for anything. Since I have been "Awake" since about 2005 I have been slowly prepping and training for the eventual breakdown of society. My family and friends are all invested in a large parcel of land and the means to survive their indefinitely. However my biggest fear is when SHTF I will not be able to make it to the rally point. Our land is about 6 hours outside of Phoenix in a difficult place to get to without a major 4 wheel drive vehicle. I don't even want to fathom the hike it would take from phoenix lol.

Now I am a daily carry guy. Whenever permitted I have a Sig p238 on my person. Where prohibited it sits in my car and I have never felt that I was in a situation I couldn't handle. Until recently. Lately I have been having this nagging feeling that when SHTF depending on where I am I might not have the time or the ability to go home and grab my gear. I have this feeling that if I am not ready to leave right then I will be a victim and not a survivor.

So I have taken it upon myself to start carrying my bugout stuff in my vehicle. So far I have my bag with some survival equipment food and water. I have my AR500 class 3 body armor and my PSA AR15 with about 120 rounds of ammo and my boots. My boots are prob my most important piece of equipment out here in the desert where every plant wants to shove a sharp spine through your converse all stars.

Does anybody else take these precautions? I have this feeling when Trump is elected president there will be mass rioting from the uneducated masses and a lot of innocent people will be caught with their pants down trying to get home to arm up. I feel this way I at least have half a chance.


It is very possible that those in govt (US) may see and are preparing for a breakdown of social unrest. What preparations are now being taken? Don't know. Know one here has brought that up with firsthand participation in such exercises. The reality of it is, if you live in a city like Chicago, unless you and your family got some motorcycles to get out fast, one is doomed to the cycle of violence that will occur. I use Chicago as an example because I lived in Chicago and exits are few out of Chicago and downtown.

As far as a gun, its fine till you run out of bullets, but until then, ya a gun is it, but you really need a crossbow in the end, please remember that. As a hunter, you don't want to be hunted after you downed your evening game for dinner. Also, a pet dog is your best alert guard.

Hope this helps. And no, I really don't feel where I live, there is a break down of society, but then again, I'm not living in the States either.



posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 11:53 PM
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originally posted by: musicismagic

originally posted by: PraetorianAZ
I am an American who believes in being prepared for anything. Since I have been "Awake" since about 2005 I have been slowly prepping and training for the eventual breakdown of society. My family and friends are all invested in a large parcel of land and the means to survive their indefinitely. However my biggest fear is when SHTF I will not be able to make it to the rally point. Our land is about 6 hours outside of Phoenix in a difficult place to get to without a major 4 wheel drive vehicle. I don't even want to fathom the hike it would take from phoenix lol.

Now I am a daily carry guy. Whenever permitted I have a Sig p238 on my person. Where prohibited it sits in my car and I have never felt that I was in a situation I couldn't handle. Until recently. Lately I have been having this nagging feeling that when SHTF depending on where I am I might not have the time or the ability to go home and grab my gear. I have this feeling that if I am not ready to leave right then I will be a victim and not a survivor.

So I have taken it upon myself to start carrying my bugout stuff in my vehicle. So far I have my bag with some survival equipment food and water. I have my AR500 class 3 body armor and my PSA AR15 with about 120 rounds of ammo and my boots. My boots are prob my most important piece of equipment out here in the desert where every plant wants to shove a sharp spine through your converse all stars.

Does anybody else take these precautions? I have this feeling when Trump is elected president there will be mass rioting from the uneducated masses and a lot of innocent people will be caught with their pants down trying to get home to arm up. I feel this way I at least have half a chance.


It is very possible that those in govt (US) may see and are preparing for a breakdown of social unrest. What preparations are now being taken? Don't know. Know one here has brought that up with firsthand participation in such exercises. The reality of it is, if you live in a city like Chicago, unless you and your family got some motorcycles to get out fast, one is doomed to the cycle of violence that will occur. I use Chicago as an example because I lived in Chicago and exits are few out of Chicago and downtown.

As far as a gun, its fine till you run out of bullets, but until then, ya a gun is it, but you really need a crossbow in the end, please remember that. As a hunter, you don't want to be hunted after you downed your evening game for dinner. Also, a pet dog is your best alert guard.

Hope this helps. And no, I really don't feel where I live, there is a break down of society, but then again, I'm not living in the States either.


Dogs are man's best friend. My parents have 2 hunting GSP's and we are waiting on a litter from the bitch here soon and ill have my pick. I also have a Hoyt ZR 250 as my hunting bow but I keep it at the parcel of land. Good advice though. During the first couple of weeks after a collapse you wont want to do much shooting. People might hear and come looking.



posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 11:57 PM
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Sometimes I feel I should carry my pistol when working in the woods, a bear or cougar may come around. I always take my bug out bag when I work in the woods, it has deep woods off or Cutters in it. No need for body armor, hunter orange works fine out there.

Around here there is little need to carry a gun. Incidents here are usually domestic disputes or suicide by cop. Almost every house has guns up here, not many people would attempt to break in if the people are home. Just a few days ago a guy was trying to break into a house and the woman called the cops. When they arrived the guy ran into the woods, hit a tree and knocked himself out. We have trees to protect us here.


There are some areas of this country where I would probably carry a pistol with me though. I feel sorry for the people who have to live in fear like that. I know a few people who have concealed weapons permits and they carry. They make it safer for all of us up here.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 12:02 AM
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Your fears are unfounded. We live in a nation of sheep.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 12:03 AM
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originally posted by: CharlesT
Your fears are unfounded. We live in a nation of sheep.


But our sheep have guns and knives and phones.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 12:15 AM
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posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 12:17 AM
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originally posted by: PraetorianAZ

originally posted by: musicismagic

originally posted by: PraetorianAZ
I am an American who believes in being prepared for anything. Since I have been "Awake" since about 2005 I have been slowly prepping and training for the eventual breakdown of society. My family and friends are all invested in a large parcel of land and the means to survive their indefinitely. However my biggest fear is when SHTF I will not be able to make it to the rally point. Our land is about 6 hours outside of Phoenix in a difficult place to get to without a major 4 wheel drive vehicle. I don't even want to fathom the hike it would take from phoenix lol.

Now I am a daily carry guy. Whenever permitted I have a Sig p238 on my person. Where prohibited it sits in my car and I have never felt that I was in a situation I couldn't handle. Until recently. Lately I have been having this nagging feeling that when SHTF depending on where I am I might not have the time or the ability to go home and grab my gear. I have this feeling that if I am not ready to leave right then I will be a victim and not a survivor.

So I have taken it upon myself to start carrying my bugout stuff in my vehicle. So far I have my bag with some survival equipment food and water. I have my AR500 class 3 body armor and my PSA AR15 with about 120 rounds of ammo and my boots. My boots are prob my most important piece of equipment out here in the desert where every plant wants to shove a sharp spine through your converse all stars.

Does anybody else take these precautions? I have this feeling when Trump is elected president there will be mass rioting from the uneducated masses and a lot of innocent people will be caught with their pants down trying to get home to arm up. I feel this way I at least have half a chance.


It is very possible that those in govt (US) may see and are preparing for a breakdown of social unrest. What preparations are now being taken? Don't know. Know one here has brought that up with firsthand participation in such exercises. The reality of it is, if you live in a city like Chicago, unless you and your family got some motorcycles to get out fast, one is doomed to the cycle of violence that will occur. I use Chicago as an example because I lived in Chicago and exits are few out of Chicago and downtown.

As far as a gun, its fine till you run out of bullets, but until then, ya a gun is it, but you really need a crossbow in the end, please remember that. As a hunter, you don't want to be hunted after you downed your evening game for dinner. Also, a pet dog is your best alert guard.

Hope this helps. And no, I really don't feel where I live, there is a break down of society, but then again, I'm not living in the States either.


Dogs are man's best friend. My parents have 2 hunting GSP's and we are waiting on a litter from the bitch here soon and ill have my pick. I also have a Hoyt ZR 250 as my hunting bow but I keep it at the parcel of land. Good advice though. During the first couple of weeks after a collapse you wont want to do much shooting. People might hear and come looking.


That was my point. You have to think like the squirrel in the tree to survive in the up coming times.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 01:20 AM
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I too am well equipped and I got to take a lot of very recent and very modern training along with me after I left military service earlier this year.

I don't care who wins, how high the stock market is, who has a problem with cops, or even when aliens will strike. All I care about is protecting myself and my family.

The political mindset in this country is putrid, violent, and unprincipled. Any revolution that could be cobbled together with those attributes as its building blocks can only lead us to hell.

If Trump wins there will be riots in the streets. I am positive of that. I don't fire warning shots. So don't come to my street with that.

If Hillary wins it won't be for long because I think she may actually be in bigger trouble than anyone here can imagine. Either way, this election will bring riots. Imagine you're part of the slim margin that elects her and she winds up in jail along with a ton of other people. What happens then? Riots.

Never mind all the people pissed that she won. Talk about taking advantage of an already chaotic situation. If I were gonna start a civil war with my dumbass redneck buddies I'd show up to one of those "I'm pissed Hillary is in jail" riots and open fire. I'd do the same with the "Trump won" riots.

There are SO MANY threats in this country just waiting for the most vulnerable time possible to start some serious crap. If anyone thinks this is going to be 1776 all over again with tricorn hats and AR15s, you'd be sadly effing mistaken. Remember everyone has an agenda, and the fact is, the splintering of society has already begun.

Remember, you're an African-American/Hispanic-American/White-thereforethesourceofallproblems-American/LGBTQIOIHSHFSOSMLKSMFMFLC/ and any other way they can subdivide you. The only way to have a successful revolution is if everyone is on board, but there are already focused groups, all of them armed, waiting for a moment in which a strike would have the most effect.

I expect violence of some kind soon. The media has been spending a great deal of time making sure the people are focused on the stuff they pour gasoline on. I'm just waiting for the match. When that happens, I'll be looking for a way to isolate myself and my family from the chaos. I suggest you do the same and forget about all of this political chicanery.
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posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 02:16 AM
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All good points.

Everyone should be aware of their surroundings, their head on a swivel when out in public.

Safety is an illusion, even in your own home these days. Yes, we tend to relax our guard just a bit at home, but out in public it is bad ju-ju. People always feel "most safe" just before they die. It's a horrid illusion that is painted to make people comfortable. That is why most are so soft these days, and scared, because they have gotten comfortable with the illusion. I'm a grim sort tho, and people think I'm crazy for keeping an eye on things when I'm out.

The world is chaotic, and people snap in a moments notice these days. No telling when the next mass shooting will occur or some random nutjob who suddenly looses his mind and go on some sort of rampage because his hamburger bun is "too white" or some such silliness.

Stay frosty, my friends.. Things could get a little weird sooner or later.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 03:43 AM
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I would suggest that you think twice about leaving all your stuff in your car, unless you have duplicates of all of it, still at home. Why? Because car theft and theft from cars is more common than house breaking in most places. Also, during riots and unrest, cars are often flipped over and/or torched, meaning that your gear could become inaccessible or destroyed before you can get back to your vehicle.

You are better off making sure that if you MUST carry that gear with you always, that you have spares at home. Also, if you are really concerned about this sort of stuff, it's your life that needs modification, not your in car load out. If you are genuinely worried about civil unrest, you should not be going so far from your house that you need a car to get where you are going, or that you could not be back home in five minutes flat. You need to be at your hardened position or near it at all times in moments of extreme tension.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 03:55 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: PraetorianAZ

I would suggest that you think twice about leaving all your stuff in your car, unless you have duplicates of all of it, still at home. Why? Because car theft and theft from cars is more common than house breaking in most places. Also, during riots and unrest, cars are often flipped over and/or torched, meaning that your gear could become inaccessible or destroyed before you can get back to your vehicle.

You are better off making sure that if you MUST carry that gear with you always, that you have spares at home. Also, if you are really concerned about this sort of stuff, it's your life that needs modification, not your in car load out. If you are genuinely worried about civil unrest, you should not be going so far from your house that you need a car to get where you are going, or that you could not be back home in five minutes flat. You need to be at your hardened position or near it at all times in moments of extreme tension.



what you said is what the smart people have done already, all others talk about stocking where they are, sorry guys, but its a lost cause. you got to be very near your escape route and 2nd home to survive. and the best place is near fresh water and with salt water is available, period.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 03:58 AM
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I think if Trump is elected, you'll be perfectly safe. No need for that crazy stuff in your car's trunk. But if Clinton's elected, there're going to be an awful lot of outraged, unstable, paranoid, rightwingers...and you might need that ridiculous rifle of yours for protection.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 04:08 AM
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Yeah, but really, the truth of the matter is if Trump did win, there might be a few crybabies running around trying to start trouble- but I seriously doubt it's going to be mass mayhem everywhere. We made it through the 60's riots, Rodney King, and everything else to date. We're still here. Radically divided maybe, but still here.

I'd be more worried about Clinton starting a war with Russia/China under the psychopathic notion that she'll unite us against a common enemy type jargon- to "bring the country together."

Oh, and by the way, if there ARE riots in the streets after a Trump victory, especially after we've put up with Obama after all these years, next time around maybe there should be riots after a donkey takes office again, too. Fair's fair. Stupid, but fair. The thought in itself is ridiculous that people would literally riot over who becomes President. That ain't America. That's a devolved, third world banana supplier. Because that's exactly what we will be if there ARE riots after the election. Can''t fix stupid. But you can protect yourself against it with gunpowder and lead if need be.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 04:57 AM
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originally posted by: PraetorianAZ
I am an American who believes in being prepared for anything.
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Lately I have been having this nagging feeling that when SHTF depending on where I am I might not have the time or the ability to go home and grab my gear. I have this feeling that if I am not ready to leave right then I will be a victim and not a survivor.


I'm not an American but I'm old enough to remember the Cold War (heck, I grew up within the blast radius of a major military target if things ever kicked off) and the IRA campaigns, and lived in an area that was a prime target if the Normans ever decided to retake England. Admittedly, that last one was pretty unlikely, but not impossible, so it counts. The important thing was always that the threat came from the outside, not the inside.

There is a level of uncertainty now that I don't recall from the past. It feels different this time around. It's not just the state actors, either, it seems to be a groundswell from the less pleasant ends of society. Even my sleepy little street has seen more violence and crime in the last 6 months than in the last 15 years of living here - and it's groups coming from the outside to cause trouble, not residents.

My town has seen an uptick in roaming groups who camp out in the main pedestrianised shopping areas, drinking and fighting, intimidating shoppers and threatening staff, on some occasions trying to force their way into shops. Thankfully the local police are diverting a massive amount of resources into dealing with them, but they can't keep that up forever. The town - like every other town - has rough areas, but in the last 6 months they have started to spill over into civilised society. My barber (who even made the news after fighting off one of the groups who tried to force their way into the shop to attack a member of staff) outright describes them as "cancer", which I think is an excellent word.

This, I think, is the difference between "now" and "then". The scum of society are feeling more empowered, more fearless, and are forcing their way into the civilised world without even trying to hide what they are. A handful of old-school 70's coppers with wooden batons would bring them back into line most riki-tik, but we've taught the bad guys that there are no longer any real repercussions to their actions.

So, going back to your point, I think that there is a real issue with the failure of society to maintain law and order. More specifically, to keep the bad stuff contained the traditional areas. Bad things are now increasingly happening in the places we thought safest. The "big threat" is no longer some state actor with nuclear missiles, it's Leroy and his 30 friends looking to prove they're in charge and can do what they want with impunity.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 04:58 AM
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While I am sure that your analysis of the on the ground situation is accurate, I am not sure I understand how what I said, and your response to it can be easily connected together. What about my post, led to this response?



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 05:01 AM
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originally posted by: PraetorianAZ
I have my AR500 class 3 body armor and my PSA AR15 with about 120 rounds of ammo and my boots.


Also, I completely disagree with you doing this.


I mean, 4 mags? Seriously?


A proper loadout is 8-12 mags with additional in the vehicle, so go buy some more



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 05:08 AM
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originally posted by: TrueAmerican
a reply to: TrueBrit

The thought in itself is ridiculous that people would literally riot over who becomes President. That ain't America. That's a devolved, third world banana supplier.


Ahhh, nobody will riot because of who won. People will riot because both sides are already convinced the other side are rigging the election and stealing the country. The loser will automatically assume that the winner cheated, that the very heart of democracy is at stake, and they are taking up arms to protect their beloved country as a matter of principle.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 05:22 AM
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TrueBrit:
It wasn't solely your response, and sorry it appeared that way. It was a more generalized response to the notion of the OP and others in this thread that are speculating that things will escalate to the point of "needing an AR15 and serious bug out supplies" in whole or in part, because of the election. That's what I find a bit over the top. But who knows, they might be right.

EvillerBob:
Lol. ok. Honestly, even with all the pissed off people there are on both sides of the coin, I just don't see anything like that happening. Not when they can kill you with a button and missile from 20 miles away, completely unseen. Nice fantasy. But reality is ugly. And deadly. And real. I've long said it would take an internal US military coup, and it would not be pretty.



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