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The GOPs Age of Authoritarianism Has Only Begun - New York Magazine

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posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: Gryphon66

This is why journalism is dead. They need to leave their personal opinion out of it because the media dependent sheep tend to take it as gospel and we end up with ridiculous threads like this.


It's ridiculous to point out the growing authoritarianism in the Republican party, along with all politics, both domestic and international???

I disagree. If you don't like the OP, the source or the discussion, you don't have to participate.

You've weighed in that it's "stupid" ... which, not for nothing, is kind of banal in itself.

Any specifics pro or con? I'd be glad to hear factual arguments from you (or anyone).


You expect debate when you claim the Republicans are becoming authoritarian? Meanwhile, democrats bully anyone who doesn't share their opinions. They show up to disrupt rallies while the media blames it on the Republicans. Democrats get exposed for passing the message to disrupt these rallies so that the media will blame Trump and Trump supporters. Clinton suddenly has a problem with Russia and Vladimir Putin after he says something good about Trump and she's now on the verge of war with that country all because Putin likes Trump better. No need to even get started on the classified emails and other leaks from Clinton or the DNC which is firing people like crazy in order to cover their tracks.

Republicans have been doing what Republicans do, minding their own business and attending Trump rallies to hear him speak, then defending themselves against democrat plants that were paid off to go disrupt and start trouble. Democrats are trying to silence Trump's speech. Trying to silence Trump supporters' speech. I don't know if you took this into account or not, but last I checked,

Authoritarian - favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

Bigotry - intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

Sounds just like democrats to me.




posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 01:19 PM
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Well as we all know if you pull the pendulum one way it's going to swing back the other way to an equal extent. It's also very much akin to the law of reaping what we sow. If we push we get pushed back....it's really not that mysterious. ...is it ?



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: Gryphon66

As you said "anyone", I will refer you the article itself to support the claim of 'personal opinion' made by LSU408.


Yet Donald Trump’s horrifyingly unique combination of personal traits, together with rather fluid beliefs about policy, has reoriented American politics as a psychology seminar. Never before in our history has a major presidential character stood apart as so great (in the Great Fire of London sense) or so opposite-of-great. We have been consumed with wonder at just what it would mean to have this flamboyant sociopath pacing the Oval Office. Trump has made Great Man theorists of us all. But something important is happening that has been obscured by the captivating spectacle. Forget about Donald Trump for a moment. Or — given how famously difficult it is to not think of a pink elephant, not to mention an orange one — consider Trump’s rise not in terms of his uniquely dangerous personality but instead as the interplay of broader trends.


In what world do you think this article will reach anywhere but the Democrat echo chamber? The author discredits himself in the first two paragraphs and can not be seen as a credible journalist. Everything he says from that point on is an emotionally driven piece of propaganda.


Exactly, thank you... Journalism is dead.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

Yes, the article's tone is biased against Donald Trump.

That may prevent some from looking at and/or thinking about many of the other factual points made in the article.

As far as only reaching the "Democratic Echo Chamber" ... reference any low-hanging MSM article ... like The Republicans Opposing Donald Trump — And Voting for Hillary Clinton

Trump is the most unpopular candidate in history, followed closely by Mrs. Clinton. To imply otherwise is to skirt the edge of the truth at best.


Those Republicans are establishment RINOs. They jumped over a cliff when they made the choice not to support Trump because they won't be winning too many more elections. As far as the unfavorable ratings, those are taken from polls that ask 300 to 1,000 people. We have 150,000,000 voters in America.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: LSU0408

Honestly, you don't know what authoritarian means.

Look it up, maybe and get back to us.

The rest of your post is the garden variety response when you feel Ike your team is being attacked.


edit on 2-11-2016 by Gryphon66 because: Spelling



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 01:57 PM
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originally posted by: Kandinsky

We don't have as much religious influence over here and I'd feel just like you if we did. I don't think religion (any of them) should have a place in the business of local politics and budgets.



I don't think "outsiders" truly comprehend the extreme influence and control of the Religious Political Right and the dominance of Christianity as a whole in America.

Look to the facts of the Puritans of England, and you get an idea of how serious it is.

They'd make America a Christian Theocracy in a second, if they could.

(No, not all Christians).



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Kandinsky

We don't have as much religious influence over here and I'd feel just like you if we did. I don't think religion (any of them) should have a place in the business of local politics and budgets.



I don't think "outsiders" truly comprehend the extreme influence and control of the Religious Political Right and the dominance of Christianity as a whole in America.

Look to the facts of the Puritans of England, and you get an idea of how serious it is.

They'd make America a Christian Theocracy in a second, if they could.

(No, not all Christians).







How are Christians oppressing you? It sounds very serious...
edit on 2/11/2016 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 02:08 PM
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Another X is Hitler thread. How original.

Hitler was very progressive. He is supposedly on the right because he was a nationalist. The left hates nationalist that is why he is considered extreme right, nationalist prevent the destruction of culture, the dilution of culture and that blocks the path for internationalist socialism. Heck the Nazi regime passed like the first animal rights laws in the world.
I'll take hitler if the Left takes Stalin and Mao.
According to Marxist.org
"The Proletarian-internationalist concept of the nation is diametrically opposite to the bourgeois-nationalist concept of the nation."
The battle comes up time and time again and this is election is the ultimate showdown. If Clinton wins and amnesty goes through the Proletarian-internationalist concept will win, if trump wins the bourgeois-nationalist concept wins and the tide will be turned.
I am more than happy for the coasts of the US to leave flyover country and have their socialist wet dream.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: jellyrev
Another X is Hitler thread. How original.

Hitler was very progressive.


Thank you for understanding this. The Progressive movement is very much linked to late 30's Germany and admiration for Mussolini. Many high profile people of the time, the liberal fascists back then, praised what both Mussolini and Hitler were advocating. It was only when the full horror of how such an ideology develops was known that it was condemned.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 02:15 PM
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a reply to: Annee

I just want to say having rubbed shoulders with a good many Christians over a 30 year period that Christians as a general rule are very tolerant and accepting of others. In case people haven't noticed tolerance is actually built into their belief system....perhaps to their own detriment.

Now having said that do I think that Christians have a strong influence in the politics of this country? Yes they do....but the reason they do is not because they're intolerant of others it's simply due to the fact that they have regular meetings and they come together as groups more effectively then people of other belief systems.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 02:17 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

They have elections in authoritarian governments. Like Saudi Arabia. I think women just got the right to vote, but not driving. We will not become that state by state.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 02:17 PM
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a reply to: jellyrev

Nope, not about Hitler.

Next?



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 02:20 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Kandinsky

We don't have as much religious influence over here and I'd feel just like you if we did. I don't think religion (any of them) should have a place in the business of local politics and budgets.



I don't think "outsiders" truly comprehend the extreme influence and control of the Religious Political Right and the dominance of Christianity as a whole in America.

Look to the facts of the Puritans of England, and you get an idea of how serious it is.

They'd make America a Christian Theocracy in a second, if they could.

(No, not all Christians).







How are Christians oppressing you? It sounds very serious...


As I stated.

Outsiders don't comprehend it.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 02:34 PM
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a reply to: HarryJoy

Can you accept that others' experiences are different from yours? Particularly if you are Christian, you might have a bit of bias?

Church has no place in government; government has no place in church -- basic American Constitutional tenets.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 02:36 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

I have been reading ATS since the beginning, I know exactly what opinions you hold.

I am obsessed with defending our republic and the constitution of this country, and Soros and the other puppet masters use an unwitting population to do his bidding, which includes you.

I broke my rule by engaging with you in conversation. I guess I can't help myself when I see nonsense propaganda being spewed by people that are supposed to be above all that garbage.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: HarryJoy
a reply to: Annee

I just want to say having rubbed shoulders with a good many Christians over a 30 year period that Christians as a general rule are very tolerant and accepting of others. In case people haven't noticed tolerance is actually built into their belief system....perhaps to their own detriment.


That also applies to Muslims, and other beliefs.


Now having said that do I think that Christians have a strong influence in the politics of this country? Yes they do....but the reason they do is not because they're intolerant of others it's simply due to the fact that they have regular meetings and they come together as groups more effectively then people of other belief systems.


Like radical Islam?

Religious Political Ideology is about CONTROL. It's about FORCING people to live by an Ideology Belief. One they may not support or belief in.

I was raised Christian - - - this is not about individual Christians or even those in clusters.

Let's stay away from that.

This thread is about Authoritarianism - - - not benign religious belief.

In America - - - that Authoritarianism through an ideology - - - happens to be primarily Christian.

Thread: The GOPs Age of Authoritarianism Has Only Begun

The GOP uses that ideology for control. And as I stated - - - "outsiders" don't really comprehend how extreme it is here.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 02:43 PM
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From the OP


I stated, somewhere early on, that Trump perfectly reflects the "true self" of the modern Republican party. Rampant sexism, racism, homophobia and religious bigotry (toward anything not Fundamentalist Christian).

OK dude. Divisive identity politics is the only way of the left.




posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 02:51 PM
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Religious Political Ideology is about CONTROL. It's about FORCING people to live by an Ideology Belief. One they may not support or belief in. I was raised Christian - - - this is not about individual Christians or even those in clusters. Let's stay away from that. This thread is about Authoritarianism - - - not benign religious belief. In America - - - that Authoritarianism through an ideology - - - happens to be primarily Christian. Thread: The GOPs Age of Authoritarianism Has Only Begun The GOP uses that ideology for control. And as I stated - - - "outsiders" don't really comprehend how extreme it is here.


Considering Blacks and Hispanics are more religious than whites and we know how the demographics vote this logic falls flat on its face.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 02:52 PM
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a reply to: jellyrev

Ah the Hitler gambit didn't work so you're going to try "identity politics"?

Trump is cute when he's overtly pandering isn't he?

Standing against inequity and discrimination is not "identitarian" ... so ... next?



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 02:54 PM
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originally posted by: jellyrev
a reply to: Annee




Religious Political Ideology is about CONTROL. It's about FORCING people to live by an Ideology Belief. One they may not support or belief in. I was raised Christian - - - this is not about individual Christians or even those in clusters. Let's stay away from that. This thread is about Authoritarianism - - - not benign religious belief. In America - - - that Authoritarianism through an ideology - - - happens to be primarily Christian. Thread: The GOPs Age of Authoritarianism Has Only Begun The GOP uses that ideology for control. And as I stated - - - "outsiders" don't really comprehend how extreme it is here.


Considering Blacks and Hispanics are more religious than whites and we know how the demographics vote this logic falls flat on its face.


Right, ignore what I stated.. It is NOT about religion.

It's about CONTROL. The GOP uses religion in for Authoritarianism.




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