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Yeah...I'm thinking again.....and disgusted again.

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posted on Aug, 12 2005 @ 09:34 AM
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Sorry Riley,
Tolerance is not a pass to play through ..carte blanche. You do not force tolerance on other people. They have the right to determine what they will tolerate and not tolerate. This is called liberty and freedom in this country. Especially the ability to seprerate from that which they do not approve.
By the way ..if you force tolerance..on others ..this is judgemental. One cannot get away from this.
The method of this world...is to force people to accept what is unacceptable to them by every social stigma and strategy. No matter what dumb and ignorant thing comes down the non evolutionary pipeline next. Especially if it means more votes/funds for a politician or social engineer.
As I said I dont buy into it and will seperate from this when I judge it not worthy of my time.
By the way ..on this same line of thinking...in this country America...there is a quiet movement among young people away from this very tolerant type of thinking. I was surprised when I noticed it. There may be hope for this country yet. I am curious to see how far this thinking will go.Most of the tolerant type of thinking ..wide open...liberal group think seems to heavily survive outside this nation.

Thanks for your post,
Orangetom




posted on Aug, 12 2005 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by orangetom1999
Sorry Riley,
Tolerance is not a pass to play through ..carte blanche. You do not force tolerance on other people.

So you promote biggoty? I'm getting a better idea of your ideas now.

They have the right to determine what they will tolerate and not tolerate. This is called liberty and freedom in this country. Especially the ability to seprerate from that which they do not approve.

I know it must be hard to imagine.. but


THERE ARE OTHER COUNTRIES BESIDES AMERICA.

I'm in one of those.


By the way ..if you force tolerance..on others ..this is judgemental. One cannot get away from this.

No it's not.. it called consideration for others. If your country embraced your ideal of intollerence.. slavery, apparteid and witchburnings would still exist, women wouldn't have the vote and gay bashing would be seen as a civil service. Will you be happy to return to these 'good ol days'? You better hope your crede is tolerated by whoever is in charge and not rounded up.

The method of this world...is to force people to accept what is unacceptable to them by every social stigma and strategy. No matter what dumb and ignorant thing comes down the non evolutionary pipeline next. Especially if it means more votes/funds for a politician or social engineer.
As I said I dont buy into it and will seperate from this when I judge it not worthy of my time.
By the way ..on this same line of thinking...in this country America...there is a quiet movement among young people away from this very tolerant type of thinking. I was surprised when I noticed it. There may be hope for this country yet. I am curious to see how far this thinking will go.Most of the tolerant type of thinking ..wide open...liberal group think seems to heavily survive outside this nation.

Thanks for your post,
Orangetom

Well. I'm now really creeped out by your post.. and now have even more reason to be afraid or America. Hope? Sounds like a road to an evil dictatorship.

[edit on 12-8-2005 by riley]



posted on Aug, 12 2005 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by LadyV
If these people are so hard down rigid on you must follow the word of god and the bible is the word of god...why do they still do things like get drunk, watch porn, lust after other woman/men when their married, lie, judge others, hate (as in gays) and that thing we've talked about before about...."we not perfect just forgiven"
[edit on 1/25/2005 by LadyV]


Well LadyV thats because they are hypocrites
simple...

In fact most of the "finger pointing-self-righteous-bible-thumping-Jesus-loved-filled- hypocrit chritians" are BAPTISTS or belong to other denominations who profoundly believe ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED.

This is a very destructive man made doctrine that besides not beeing in The Bible anywhere, it brings up the worse in people...

See, when someone believe that not metter what they do they are "guaranteed heaven, guaranteed rapture", the arrogance builds up and explodes in this form...

These "christians" have decided to make homosexuality and everything related to sex as THE MAIN DEADLY SIN... they forget that there are SEVEN deadly sins, one of the is gluteny... and all of these TV preachers are OVERWEIGHTED and over -fead, therefore they are in sin...

Now if they believed one must follow all the teachings of Jesus tehy would try to correct what is wrong, but because they believe "nothing can pluck them of the Lor'ds hands, and they are covered by the blood", they concentrate in pointing the fingers to others, instead of looking in the mirror....

"the man in the mirror, is the uggliest..."



posted on Aug, 12 2005 @ 05:25 PM
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In fact most of the "finger pointing-self-righteous-bible-thumping-Jesus-loved-filled- hypocrit chritians" are BAPTISTS or belong to other denominations who profoundly believe ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED


If you knew half of what you thought you did you'd be very dangerous.



posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 02:18 AM
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Riley,
You are joking about this post and your level of paranoia...yes???

You conduct yourself as if someone just took your cookie or candy bar away and now the sky is falling!!

Watch this logic:

"No it's not.. it called consideration for others. If your country embraced your ideal of intollerence.. slavery, apparteid and witchburnings would still exist, women wouldn't have the vote and gay bashing would be seen as a civil service. Will you be happy to return to these 'good ol days'? You better hope your crede is tolerated by whoever is in charge and not rounded up. "

I said you dont force tolerance...here you are saying it s consideration for others. Is it forced consideration for others??? Whose talking about rounding up others. Not me??? I was not here during those days..neither of my parents were either. Oh by the way ..I was not born in this country. I also know that there are other nations out there who dont think as do I.
I will judge them worthy of seperating from too.

Notice my post Riley. I said judge and seperate from.a very different thing from what you post ..I never said rounded up ..you did. That is a quantum leap on your part to misquote me and what I said. Nice technique though..it just doesnt wash. It is however typical liberal left paranoia. Textbook. It usually works on young unthinking people in fear to get them to pull the correct lever in a voting booth. Works most of the time.

Riley ..you really need some work.

Thanks,
Orangetom



posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 06:44 AM
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Originally posted by orangetom1999
I said you dont force tolerance...here you are saying it s consideration for others. Is it forced consideration for others??? Whose talking about rounding up others. Not me???

So.. if a gay man or a prostitute were laying in a gutter from a being stabbed.. would you call an ambulance and stay with them, tell him he deserved it or just keep walking and let them die? How far would you take your self 'R'ightousness? I would honestly like to know how your intollerence plays out in real life.. is it all talk or to you act on your convictions as well? What does this entail? Who is not tolerated and how do you let them know?

I was not here during those days..neither of my parents were either.

Perhaps you should study history and see how intollerence blossoms.

Oh by the way ..I was not born in this country. I also know that there are other nations out there who dont think as do I.
I will judge them worthy of seperating from too.

Moslem terrorists have said similar to you.. as did the Nazis, the crusaders, inquistion, KKK etc etc. They have decided EVERYONE ELSE who does not live as they think fit should not be tolerated and therefore should be punnished [which is the thing that comes after 'judged']. There is a very direct and inescapable line between intollerence, biggotry and taking the freedoms of the 'intollerable' away.. at it's extremes, yes people have been 'rounded up' and 'clensed' in the past and no doubt will be again if the world continues to over indulge biggoted minds who want to ignore history just so they can get a power trip from claiming the Righteous highground. It's called justifying persecution. Everyone has read what you have written, can see I did not take things out of context [I took them to their natural conclusion] and most would understand why I found it disturbing.. it is not paranoia on my part. As for you judging who is 'worthy' of your tolerence.. you're kidding right? You may not be worthy of those you're judging.

[edit on 13-8-2005 by riley]



posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 08:52 AM
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You may not be worthy of those you're judging


Oh whatever riley. There you go blowing things out of proportion and having that "OH woe is me" attitude again. I think you need to laugh a little in your life.



posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 09:53 AM
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You can trivialise persecution.. oh wait.. weren't you the one crying to teacher about being called names? That gave me a giggle. thanks.



posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 10:06 AM
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Zoooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Once again ..over your head.

I said judge and seperate from. You have it as persecution. I said and did no such thing. Expressing a opinion is not persecution. You constantly go the next step and assume for the purposes of your opinion that it is so.
I keep thinking that by your posts you watch alot of daytime talk shows where "victimization " is the bailiywick in the format. I am waiting for you to ask me to take a lie detector test.

Sorry olde man..but your "victimization " and martyrdom techniques are not suitable for this format..it comes across as histronics.

I know a bit of history and specifially of those things you try to mention as examples of what I spoke ..when I spoke of no such thing.
I said Judge and seperate from ...to seperate ones self out from amongst these things. Come out from amongst them and be ye seperate. This is not persecution or rounding up or being rounded up.
As I said Riley ..you need some work. Where is it written that a person cannot seperate from others???

Thanks,
Orangetom



posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by orangetom1999
I know a bit of history and specifially of those things you try to mention as examples of what I spoke ..when I spoke of no such thing.

No you didn't.. I never said you did. You keep saying I have. Re-read for yourself. I've been trying to explain to you how intollerence can be taken to extremes.. do you understand the potential danger in it if world leaders have the same attitude? Do you understand why there are laws against hate speech etc. and understand why? do you agree with it being illegal?

I said Judge and seperate from ...to seperate ones self out from amongst these things. Come out from amongst them and be ye seperate.

'Seperate'? Thats a very vague way of describing what you mean. Do you mean taking time out for pray for those who you've judged badly in the hope they might be saved? Give me an example of how you judge or are intollerent. What do you not tolerate in real life? do you just keep your thoughts to yourself? You agreed with Deesw was right in spewing vile biggotry.. why is it you aren't singling out groups and doing the same thing [going by this thread at least].. or are you just content being his cheerleader?
Now.. not sure what you're carrying on about with the 'martyrdom'/victimisation thing.. day time talk shows? wtf? These 'techniques' you keep accusing EVERYONE of using.. why are they always different? Why aren't we using the same techniques? You always seem to say that.. and these 'techniques' you accuse people of seem to change everytime you want to attack their arguments instead of actually answering them. you keep telling me i 'need work'.. having a go at my posting methods yet don't actually answer my questions or justify your stance.

[edit on 13-8-2005 by riley]



posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 11:13 AM
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Not all christians are bad. I'm catholic (oh no he's a catholic
) I don't believe everyone worshipping another religion will go to hell. I have plenty of friends onlien and offline that aren't catholic/chrstian. I treat them no different then I treat catholic. It annoys me when a catholic person says that anyone who doesn't worship the catholic way (yeah we had one teacher in my CCD that said you must be catholic or go to hell insane) goes to hell. I honeslty believe that is a load of rubbage. I had a kid in my CCD class who believed in the wiccan religion but well his parents forced him to come to catholic school. The teacher pretty much damned him to hell. I hated that teacher for that reason (along with her jsut being mean and annoying). Now see? All catholics/christians aren't bad. So let's stop bashign everyone religion(or lack of religion if you are atheist) and just live happilly together. K?

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posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by cpr12r
Not all christians are bad. I'm catholic (oh no he's a catholic
)

No probs.. I was raised Catholic and the tolerence/non judgemntal thing seemed to be a major point [though not something the teachers or congregation seemed to really practice]. I'm just trying to understand why these other denominations seem to think christ didn't preach tolerence and not to be judgemental. I always thought that was his main philosophy and 'Righteous judgement' was exclusively god's domain? I have no idea where this comes from. Must be a different version of the bible or something.

[edit on 13-8-2005 by riley]



posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 12:08 PM
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Yeah christ did preach tolerance but some people don't really seem to think that and are biggots and racists.



posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 06:20 PM
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You have voted cpr12r for wa above....


Finally, out of 4 pages and this whole thread, someone actuall speaks COMMON SENSE. I hope some of you people realize here that some of the comments that you are making are some of the many reasons why there have been all these terribel wars and conflicts in the past



posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 06:25 PM
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Yeah christ did preach tolerance but some people don't really seem to think that and are biggots and racists.


I don't know where you people got the idea that Jesus tought tolerance. I'll say it again. Jesus commanded to love your neighbor as yourself. He never commanded that you like anyone. Jesus also commanded " Hate not the sinner, yet hate the sin ". See you can love someone deeply and sincerely and yet hate the things they do. You do not have to tolerate anything contrary to Jesus' teachings. You also do not have to push them aside and hate the person. If you sow a thought, you reap an action. If you sow an action you reap a habit. If you sow a habit you reap a lifestyle. One action does not encompass the whole person, but a lifestyle does. I do not have to tolerate anyone's lifestyle. I merely have to love that person. I have a very close friend who is gay. He knows how I feel about it, he doesn't try to argue his lifestyle decision and I don't preach to him. He asked one time how I felt and I told him very sharply. I only hope that one day the blinders will finally fall from his eyes and he'll see the truth. See informing someone of what the Bible says on a subject is not JUDGING. It is informing. As a Christian Jesus said the I am the salt of the Earth. It is my duty and responsibility as a Christian that I spread his word.
The people on this site that think I and every other Christian on here are judging them may perhaps be judging themselves and be using us as a crutch to lean on.



posted on Aug, 14 2005 @ 01:49 AM
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We shoudl never judge others, no matter what one does its not a judgement that matters. God can forgive anyone if he wishes. God know the heart of his children, and forgive whom he chooses. Jesus second greatest commandment said " Love your neighbor as your self. AAll the law and the prophets hang these two commdments.



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 10:51 AM
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Judging and intolerance.

I dont speak much to my neighbors on one side of me. I never did. I knew by observation that they are fast lane people. I choose to have as little to do with them so as not to mix their leven with unleven..

This situation changed during hurricane Isabel a couple of years ago. When the Hurricane had passed I was one of the few people in this neighborhood who had a generator. 4000 watts of power. I had seen over ten years ago that it would be a fortunate thing to have. The power was out here for about 9 days in this neighborhood. We were one of the last areas to get power. Out of consideration for him and his three children I ran a line from my generator to his house. I figured his needs were pretty immediate having such a family. Here at my house I was primarily concerned with preserving my refrigerated and frozen foods. Very quickly I dicerned that my generator was overloaded and faltering in its load carrying capacity. I unplugged the line going to his house and it steadied out and the voltage came up. I asked him what he was running and his list of items included his airconditioning for his wife and kids. Checking out the line I had given him I found a birds nest of cords plugged into it. I quickly took my line back and told him that was the end of it for him and his family before he damages my generator and we all were without electricty. He got a attitude with me concerning this. We dont speak to this day. No problem.
Instead of him I ran the line across the street to the ninety plus year olde man and provided him with some juice for his fan and some lights.
My brother stayed with me for four days. He likes his beer. Never bought any gasoline or helped with much around her but always had beer. I told him and his girlfriend and her baby to leave after four days. I am not tolerant of this kind of fast lane thinking either..especially on my dime. I took my generator over to my mother and fathers house for half a day and then at night here to this house. This continued for 6 days...no help from anyone.
I dont have tolerance for this kind of fast lane thinking ...or entitlements. This neighbor in his consumption levels and entitlements would have all of us without electricity for his way of thinking. Nothing about helping with the gasoline etc ..or maintnence... just me myself and I.
I have since bought a second generator a 7500 watt model. I dont plan to offer him any help this go around either. Fortunately Hurricane Irene did not turn into this area but went back out to sea. I will help the 90 plus year old man across the street. My spare generator , the 4000 watt will go to my parents house as soon as conditions allow. I store it hear as they dont have much storage room.

I told you Riley ..I cannot save anyone ..nor condem anyone ..but when I judge at thing unworthy I seperate from it. I dont save my neighbors nor condem them to hell..not my job. I do however seperate from them when I consider them a hazard or leven. I will have little to do with them. Mostly I mind my own busness...and this incident under these conditions is my buisness. Its just the way I work.

When you try by your histronics to put me or others in your little historical blocks it doesnt wash with me. You go off on tangents to support your positions and label or describe the people in these postings as if they are the very epitome of the history you quote when you know no such thing as to whether it applies to the posters on this thread. This is why it s histronics. It sells well to other people who are in like manner histronic but not me..sorry. You will have to work harder.
From where I stand it is the very supposition of intolerance and inconsideration you try to foist off on others. Now Riley ..you are not the only one doing this..you are just more vocal than most. No problem. I just dont give you a pass to play through.

Thanks,
Orangetom



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 10:56 AM
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I pretty much agree with what you posted.

I am of the Salt of the earth ..not the sugar.

Salt holds back corruption ..not sugar.

Thanks,
Orangetom



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 11:33 AM
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Actually I think what you decided to do was quite reasonable [hopefully your brother and family had somewhere else to go]. The family using your power.. common curtesy would say they fork out money for fuel etc. What you were talking about earlier.. this 'Righteous judgement' sounds alot more like a priest waving his finger at the sinners than you just simply standing up for yourself and not allowing people to use you. Thats just give and take and making sure you don't get treated like a doormat. Usually the word 'tolerence' [biblically speaking] just means accepting differences between people and not judging them on those differences.. that is MY OWN definition of it [shared with most] and you didn't elaborate on yours till now other than saying 'Righteous'.. which is why I became vocal about it. I critisized Deesw because he's habbitually made statements that are disciminatory and biggoted [though he seems to have toned that down a tad] your defending him without reservation gave the impression you were like minded.. your own doing. You had several opportunities to explain your point of view and correct me yet didn't.. why? This was your own responsibilty.. do not palm it off as my 'hystronics' as it's obvious backtracking.



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 08:11 PM
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Why dont you both back your claims up by bible scriptures, instead of what you both think. What the bible says is most important. Using its words would be best.




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