Yeah...I'm thinking again.....and disgusted again.

::::sigh::::Ok..I guess I'm going to start $#&$ again, but I truly just don't get it. You get some Christians on this board....not all, but most certainly some, who are dead hard....."it has to be the word of god and nothing else or your sinning no matter what that's the way it is and you better do it and fear god and do all he says or else and there is absolutely no if, ands, or buts about in any way shape or form!" Now I know what I am about to type I have types here many time before, but it's how I feel. If these people are so hard down rigid on you must follow the word of god and the bible is the word of god...why do they still do things like get drunk, watch porn, lust after other woman/men when their married, lie, judge others, hate (as in gays) and that thing we've talked about before about...."we not perfect just forgiven" doesn't get it...they're too loud towards anyone else in yelling. "it has to be the word of god and nothing else or your sinning no matter what that's the way it is and you better do it and fear god and do all he says or else and there is absolutely no if, ands, or buts about in any way shape or form!" And then will do just the opposite of what their supposed to do. It's all very confusing to me.


[edit on 1/25/2005 by LadyV]

I've met many different types of Christians LadyV. There are alot
that act the way you describe (they're called hypocrits) but then there
are others who honestly try to "judge not" and they're Christians too.
I guess it's all about how they were raised and what kind of church
they attended that formed their beliefs.
Many people are scared away from Christianity because of the
people you've described.
No one likes being told they're going to hell for simply being human.
Personally I don't think God is like that.

I've met/seen the hypocrits, many of them. But there were 2 that were actually good people. Just met them by accident, went to a local ice cream store to buy a milshake and they were buying some to. One was working a rubix cube, and he beat it in about 8 moves. Talked to them, then I got my milkshake and left. Not once did they go on about how I was going to hell, give them money or I go to hell, give them a 8 year old boy for them to rape, nothing bad, just nice normal people who happen to work at a local church and such.

Or you have some, LadyV, one we have been talking to lately, that anything not bible is satan, so being a Wiccan is satan, even though satan is christian, not Wiccan.

But they're coming from a christian POV.

And so being a Christian, they know that there is only one true God. Ergo, any other religion (from the christian POV, mind you) is worshipping Satan because he is deceiving them into thinking he isn't Satan, but instead (insert some other gods here).

The religion in question (wicca, for example) doesn't need to believe in Satan for this to be true (to a christian).


*edit for clarity


[edit on 25-1-2005 by quango]

I postulate that the type of christian who has the time/energy/inclination to post long, ranting diatribes here is not representative of the faith as a whole. I've seen lots of those posts, but have never met people like that in real life. I've met a few who wanted to try & convert me, but they didn't try hard enough to be truly annoying!

You want a really good example of what she is talking about? Head over to my thread.

We stopped beleiving in witches, when's the bibles turn?

Look for a member by the name of Deesw.

This person was so set in their ways, I had to laugh. Not because of what they beleive, just the complete ignorance of anything other then Christianism.

I know exactly what you mean LadyV.

Okay, I'm going to respond to this from the other camp.

This is what it feels like from my side, that those of you who choose not to believe in the Judeo/Christian beliefs can't seem to leave those of us who do believe alone!

For instance, the example that _Blind_ has given...crap, _B_ you managed to insult TWO belief systems on that one. Why? You obviously have made a personal decision to devalue the Judeo/Christian set of beliefs, and the Wiccan set of beliefs. That personal decision on your part is okie-dokie with me...what ever floats your boat - but why do you feel the apparent unquenchable urge to come and ridicule OUR belief system or THEIR belief system. Is it not enough that you have personally rejected it and we're not in your face about that? Are you an ordained evangelist in the great "don't believe anything" ministry?


To LadyV - so what? Why can't you leave it alone? They believe that way, big whoopie-farkin-doo. Unless I missed something no one's trying to convert you. Are you trying to convert some one else to your belief system? Do you understand that this thread is a bitch about another person's belief system??? You're bitching about how they believe! That I find, well, unbelievable!

NON-believers (<= rejecters of a belief system) always seem to be more militant, and greater proselytizers than believers in that system.

Valhall what do you expect?
Of course they are bitching.
The truth hurts, maybe not as much as jumping on a bicycle with no seat but it hurts.
Christians believe that jesus is the only way to salvation, so naturally we also believe that anyone who does not believe in jesus will not be saved. So What?
Don't let the whining of the heathens get to you, just pray that God will cause the scales to fall from thier eyes.

It only gets to me in the sense that it is an incomprehensible amount of energy expended for what? I'm not sure! But I have watched these boards since the first half of 2003, and I assure you THEY (rejecters) have spent more energy on this and similar topics (i.e. why do we believe like we do, how stupid we are for believing like we do, how stupid our book is, we're hypocrits, etc.) than they do on things that could truly result in something. Because I've got news for all of you - you're not going to change the way I believe...maybe that's what acts as a burr under their saddle.

And p.s. For the life of me, I can't find the conspiracy here. And there is a reason for why there is a "conspiracy in religion" forum on ATS, and a "let's kick all the believers in the teeth" forum on BTS...because, by and large, the majority of ATS dwellers got really tired of the incessant attacks on (fill in the name of the religion being attacked).

Even during his life and ministry there were those dedicated to refuting his teachings. Just as with the moon landings or the holocaust anytime something happens of such import there will be those who reject it. Some people simply reject the truth on principle, some want to be rebels, some have been mislead.

And since the They you're talking about clearly feel the same way, why is it so mystifying to Them when believers take a stand and defend their beliefs?

Grant them the right to believe as they wish.

Then take comfort in the fact that if they are right, Jesus will be taking care of the 'hypocrites' of which you speak.

People who are rude and/or ignorant, whether the topic is religion or football, should be left talking to the empty space you were standing in before you walked away.

No.. some reject YOUR TRUTH.. your assumptions are innacurate and judgemental. The reason I do not believe in god is because the concept is not logical or rational to me [especially a creator one]. I also do not think belief in 'god' is a must for being a good person. No one has 'lead' me away from god as though I'm a naive little child.. I just don't believe in it.. the same way as I grew out of believing in Santa Clause. It's not on princible either [though religion has been responsible for a great many attrocities but thats another issue].. and I'm not rebelling against it because there is nothing there so.. quite frankly it wouldn't be any fun. It would be like trying to beat up an imaginary friend.

You don't have to believe it. God gave you free will so that you would have the choice to worship him or not. I do hope that for your sake you come to embrace him and accept jesus as your lord and savior. If you don't though thats your choice.

[edit on 25-1-2005 by mwm1331]

Now see here - see how accepting WE are? You called our beliefs illogical and equated them to believing in Santa Claus and the response you got from one of US was one of prayerful concern for your soul but acceptance of your errant decision.

WE never cease to amaze ME.

[edit on 1-25-2005 by Valhall]

We still do those things because we are human and incapable of perfection.
Perfection is something we aim for. You think that not drinking, not smoking, and not doing drugs makes you a good person. There are more bad things in this world than that, things that will blacken your soul and put the coins over your eyes. Things like homosexuality, abortion, denial of GOD, witchcraft, etc...
Fortunately for us (CHRISTIANS) we have hope for the future in the name of Jesus Christ. That is where my forgiveness lies,,,, where does yours?

I think the problem is that some people who are looking for answers feel they can talk about and debate religions. But the die hard xealots cannot. what they believe is absolute truth to them.
So while it may seem like "bashing" someone's religion, I think they just want to talk about it/debate it, which is impossible with someone who takes it as pure fact.

homosexuality is a bad thing? how can love be a bad thing? so if a man loves a woman that's ok, but a man loving another man is a bad thing.

How can that be if in both cases we are talking about love?

Most christians are just too stupid and brainwashed, unable to think for themselves, same goes for any other major religion.



[edit on 25/1/2005 by OniShiro]

And yet its us christians who are accused of intolerance