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A New Civil War

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posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 07:57 PM
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Most of us remember “The Gettysburg Address” from what we were taught in school, a speech given by Abraham Lincoln on November 19, 1863 in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania.


“Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”


We may no longer be fighting a civil war in the literal sense, but we are in a war with those who would rule us by any means, even engaging in deception, lies and criminal activities to manipulate and control us. “We the People” winning this and our government being a “government of the people, by the people, for the people”, rather than a government of the elite, by the elite, for the elite may be one of the most important battles in history. Where this goes will determine the course of humanity in the end.

Can we ignore how corrupt our government has become, bury our heads in the sand and just sit by while we work for the slave masters we know as the GOP, the DNC and the media? It seems as though that is where this is headed and it is madness.

The saddest part of this is we have all the power and no government can defy a united populace, but we allow them to do just that by dividing us, using these damnable political parties to control us. They know as long as they can keep us divided with the hatred we see now surrounding elections, we can be fully controlled. If we ever as a people woke up, we could easily, peacefully take back control of our country. The bad players on all sides would have no choice but to go back to the sewers they crawled out of. Not a shot would need to be fired and as a truly united people, this could not happen again.

It will never happen though as we truly are the easy to manipulate, weak human beings the elite believe us to be. We treat elections like sporting events, we tolerate dishonesty and criminal behavior as long as it’s our team doing it and in the end, we deserve what we get.

While we knowingly and even willingly participate in this charade, we share responsibility for all those who have died protecting a people who are too apathetic to even care what is going on.

When are we going to wake up to the power we have over the elite and our government? Never I’m afraid. As a species we are truly nowhere near as evolved as we have fooled ourselves into believing.

Or, is there a solution to this? Is a time coming when people will lay aside their Party Pom Pom's? Does anyone believe enough of us can wake up to the truth about the phony Party system to change things? Or, will we simply let ourselves be the pawns of the elite who likely have a good laugh at our expense after each election?
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posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 08:01 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555



If we ever as a people woke up, we could easily, peacefully take back control of our country. The bad players on all sides would have no choice but to go back to the sewers they crawled out of. Not a shot would need to be fired and as a truly united people, this could not happen again.


The elite and media alike know this. We've watched Americans continue to be divided over the most meaningless of nonsense just for the sake that someone told them to be outraged.

We need to think for ourselves. Find the common ground that unites us. Free thought is your right.



posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 08:03 PM
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Yeah, but what do we do when the vast majority of the allegations are unfounded, but people believe them anyway because they're being manipulated by media outlets who only want their clicks and pageviews?

What then? Do we eliminate freedom of the press because people are too stupid for it?

There is a huge disconnect between the citizens and the government, mostly due to the fact that wealth and power have been hoarded by the few in greater and greater concentrations. But our true masters don't have to BREAK the LAWS, because they make them.
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posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 08:06 PM
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In every culture and society that has ever been, progress is by one of two directions.

Evolution

Revolution

You have to have one or the other.

Choose.

If evolution fails then at some stage you will have a revolution.

Let them eat cake!

P



posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 08:09 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

You raise great points Blaine!

It is sad to see so many duped by the social engineers and their insidious psychological manipulation of the masses.

Although when one looks at the full spectrum of attacks (Mk Ultra/MK Naomi techniques, pharmacological drug use for younger and younger generations, MSM, TV, Movie, Music programming of the subconscious mind, etc) I find there to be hope due to the fact that people are still waking up enmasse.

It is simply not discussed. People ignore the intentional communities that are being built up around the globe, utilizing the technology and basic farming principles to set up the ability to function with out any need of a state.

I think the solution is to work on ourselves and spread the knowledge we acquire in all ways we possibly can. To manifest as much compassion balanced with strength and integrity.

To stand for what we know is right, I shall continue to have faith in humanity!


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posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 08:21 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

I think the solution is pretty simple. If you don't think government is going in the right direction, than rather than complain about it why not work in government yourself? That would be an improvement in your eyes, right?



posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 08:40 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

I think you are missing my point. You seem to be basically saying, if you don't like it fix it yourself, but the power comes from a united people.

We are being pigeonholed into two little boxes that give us only two choices, choices made by the same people no matter what side they pretend to be on. This public face we see from the elites is an act. A scripted, choreographed act. It's no accident we see dynasties like the Bush family or the Clinton's. It's no accident when you go the Clinton Foundation site you will find a message regarding the Bush families charitable work. They are not enemies, but instead are very involved with one another behind the curtain. LINK

No individual can fight that and they count on that. If any individual gets anywhere near the top, they can simply destroy them. Look what's happening now. If we want real change and an honest transparent government, it will take a mostly united populace, which removes all their power. If they can't get into positions of power, they can't use us as they have been.



posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 08:42 PM
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originally posted by: elementalgrove
a reply to: Blaine91555
I shall continue to have faith in humanity!



I pray you are right!!!



posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 08:45 PM
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a reply to: pheonix358

True.

We need to find a new kind of revolution though. A peaceful one where we the people understand just how much power we wield. We need to evolve to the point where a revolution means when the wrong person runs for office, we can laugh them off the stage knowing full well they can't get elected dog catcher.

My profound apologies to any dog catchers that may be reading this.



posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 08:48 PM
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a reply to: Greggers

I suppose the first place to start would be our education system where our children are learning to be sheep instead of critical thinkers.

As to the press, if they have no audience they make no money and have no power. We change the channel and only turn them back on or read their publications when they turn towards the truth.

Can we do that? Likely not, but if we don't talk about it or just throw our hands up in the air, there is zero chance for any change that benefits us.



posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: Greggers
Yeah, but what do we do when the vast majority of the allegations are unfounded, but people believe them anyway because they're being manipulated by media outlets who only want their clicks and pageviews?

What then? Do we eliminate freedom of the press because people are too stupid for it?

There is a huge disconnect between the citizens and the government, mostly due to the fact that wealth and power have been hoarded by the few in greater and greater concentrations. But our true masters don't have to BREAK the LAWS, because they make them.


But you think the Mainstream press doesn't manipulate you?

One thing I do appreciate about Limbaugh is that his people are excellent about listening to all the main press outlets and finding instances where the exact same word or phrase is used across all the outlets and all the talking heads over and over.

The latest example was to refer to the feelings over Hillary's email scandal as "baked in" - those words specifially. They had nearly 20 different instances of press people using those words specifically to describe the reaction to the new allegations in the email scandal.

That's pretty specific, and while I could see one independent person using that phrase ... nearly 20? All on the same day? You want to tell me they have their own independent agendas and interpretations? Because this is just the latest example of it. They've been doing it for years.



posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 09:12 PM
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a reply to: elementalgrove




I shall continue to have faith in humanity!


Not me...

If I was religious; I would think human kind is rushing headlong into an apocalyptic Armageddon. Deadly technology in our spiritually, cold dead hands is like giving a 2 year old a loaded .38. We however have put our faith in psychotics who manipulate mans tribal nature into opposing factions. You need look no further than ATS to see cultural and social manipulation at it's diabolical finest.

I have watched members change from being cynical and questioning, with a good sense of humor into devotees of a political cult. Humorless and mean spirited, ugly souls.
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posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 09:22 PM
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If you want to respect and admire the policies of Abraham Lincoln, you should become a Democrat.



posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: elementalgrove




I shall continue to have faith in humanity!


Not me...

If I was religious; I would think human kind is rushing headlong into an apocalyptic Armageddon. Deadly technology in our spiritually, cold dead hands is like giving a 2 year old a loaded .38. We however have put our faith in psychotics who manipulate mans tribal nature into opposing factions. You need look no further than ATS to see cultural and social manipulation at it's diabolical finest.


Lol! Thank you for that analogy Olaru!

The mere fact that the 2 year old has had this kind of technology for quite some time and we have yet to go apocalyptic leads to hope in my world, perhaps the 2 year old will remember that last time they touched the stove!

Granted, they psychological warfare is quite impressive. Manipulating man's basic instincts to suppress the awakening of the higher realms of consciousness. Yet even as the attempt to do this, people are still waking up and rediscovering their connection to spirit.

It has been quite educational paying attention to the social engineers and those who could be doing their bidding here at ATS, both consciouslly and unconsciouslly.

Worst case scenario, we end up getting our freebie blast off from GOD when that magical molecule, dimethytryptimine implodes and we find out what exists beyond our ego!
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posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

There does not have to be bloodshed.

10,000 armed, concerned citizens marching towards Congress or a State Governor is all it will take.

No one will riot, the Police will be ever so polite and job done.

Now, if then, they are fired upon ... then you have a revolution with bloodshed.

THEY have one thing in common, they wish to live!

P



posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 09:31 PM
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Worst case scenario, we end up getting our freebie blast off from GOD when that magical molecule, dimethytryptimine implodes and we find out what exists beyond our ego!


Copy that...

I encountered some ancient machines and listened to their message of Love. Apparently it's not an uncommon experience....
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posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 09:37 PM
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So long as the bread (EBT cards) and circus (cable tv and internet) are abundant, we'll see nothing but a further slide into the morass. Should something interrupt the system so that tv and the internet no longer work---then you'll see the revolution. People are fat and happy in front of their screens. They've been trained to follow, not to lead. They've been trained to stand in line and not complain. They've been trained to do as they are told by the "authorities." So, as long as BigPharma keeps pumping out the happy pills, the EBT cards keep getting refilled and the cable works, you're going to see more of the same.
This election has proven my theory to my satisfaction. Every person I've heard comment say we have two of the worst possible candidates---and in the next breath say they're going to vote against one of those slimy candidates. We have a perfectly good choice in Gary Johnson. Here is a candidate with experience, integrity and the ability to lead people but because the media decided that it should be a two-party race, we are going to be saddled with one of two really, really, really bad options.
Apparently it doesn't matter to the majority whether we have real leadership or not---as long as their candidate wins. It's a very sad state of affairs. If everyone who claims to despise both candidates would simply vote for Johnson, he'd win in a landslide. But I guess they really would rather go through the next four years hearing about sex scandals and ignoring the very real problems we face.




posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 09:58 PM
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originally posted by: Blaine91555
I think you are missing my point. You seem to be basically saying, if you don't like it fix it yourself, but the power comes from a united people.


Uniting people is easy, just sell them on your ideas. Most people in life don't have everything thought through. The easiest way to get something you want in life is to have a detailed thought up plan. 90% of the time you'll get to try it, because no one will have a better idea.


No individual can fight that and they count on that. If any individual gets anywhere near the top, they can simply destroy them. Look what's happening now. If we want real change and an honest transparent government, it will take a mostly united populace, which removes all their power. If they can't get into positions of power, they can't use us as they have been.


It's easy to fight it, if that's what you want to do. Get involved in politics, make it your career, and rise through the ranks. Or get the ear of the people that are in politics (again, good plans are an easy way to do this). Or, devote yourself to a career, earn a few million dollars and buy support. Or, pull off an assassination.

That's 4 ways to fight against people in power. You can't rely on the populace to do any of it, because the populace isn't capable of self government. Average people have average understandings on a subject which is to say they don't have much. To put this another way, crowds are stupid. Groups shouting for transparency are easily fooled.



posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 10:01 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
The latest example was to refer to the feelings over Hillary's email scandal as "baked in" - those words specifially. They had nearly 20 different instances of press people using those words specifically to describe the reaction to the new allegations in the email scandal.

That's pretty specific, and while I could see one independent person using that phrase ... nearly 20? All on the same day? You want to tell me they have their own independent agendas and interpretations? Because this is just the latest example of it. They've been doing it for years.


The press reports, but most reporters don't write the stories they use these days. It's not just in relation to politics either, the newspapers all do it as well. Basically, they subscribe to wire services like the AP and the AP writes a story, that story will contain a phrase or reference which is then copied by all the other media reporting on it.



posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 10:18 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Greggers
Yeah, but what do we do when the vast majority of the allegations are unfounded, but people believe them anyway because they're being manipulated by media outlets who only want their clicks and pageviews?

What then? Do we eliminate freedom of the press because people are too stupid for it?

There is a huge disconnect between the citizens and the government, mostly due to the fact that wealth and power have been hoarded by the few in greater and greater concentrations. But our true masters don't have to BREAK the LAWS, because they make them.


But you think the Mainstream press doesn't manipulate you?

One thing I do appreciate about Limbaugh is that his people are excellent about listening to all the main press outlets and finding instances where the exact same word or phrase is used across all the outlets and all the talking heads over and over.

The latest example was to refer to the feelings over Hillary's email scandal as "baked in" - those words specifially. They had nearly 20 different instances of press people using those words specifically to describe the reaction to the new allegations in the email scandal.

That's pretty specific, and while I could see one independent person using that phrase ... nearly 20? All on the same day? You want to tell me they have their own independent agendas and interpretations? Because this is just the latest example of it. They've been doing it for years.


They don't manipulate me in particular, since I generally don't watch.

However, all media outlets want the same thing -- viewers. The more they have, the more money they make. Since the popularization of the internet, there are now thousands of media outlets all clamoring for our attention. Some of them have managed to carve out a niche among political conspiracy theorists, a large percentage of whom will keep going back to the well no matter how many times it's proven poisonous.

These are media outlets that will flat-out lie. I'm not talking about nuanced deceptions, or lies of omission, or a bias in the material covered. No, I'm talking straight made-up garbage. It's worse than tabloid journalism.

And I'm not talking about people who read The Enquirer for fun. I'm talking about people who believe Podesta rigged polls --who believe it with every fiber of their being--even though the lie could be exposed with 10 seconds worth of research into the Atlas papers attached to the wikileak email thread.

This is an audience who believes anything that smears the opposition, no matter how unfounded. And it's many of these same people clamoring for revolution.

Yes, we do need a revolution in this country, but one of a different sort. We need to take our laws back from the wealthy elite, but those same elite are very good at keeping us divided while they bet on both horses and make all our laws.


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