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posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 10:54 AM
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originally posted by: Ohanka
a reply to: Mitmein

Why do you keep using "white" as an insult?

That is genuinely racist you know.


I just noticed that too.

What say you Mitmein?




posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 11:47 AM
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originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Bone75

I never said that it was.


Well good, now could you explain that to spiritualzombie and any other Democrat here who thinks a vote for Hillary is a vote for universal healthcare? I wouldn't want folks to get confused. In fact, Obamacare would have to be repealed in order to implement universal healthcare, not "built upon".



That's right, Single Payer healthcare is the truest form of Universal Healthcare. For that, Obamacare would need to be replaced entirely, which is what Bernie Sanders was fighting for. Republicans are NOT fighting for that -- they are fighting for a complete retreat of healthcare reform to put the power back entirely into the hands of Private Insurers.

Hillary's position is instead of undoing the gains made by Obamacare, keep it, and just add upon it. Bernie and Hillary make a solid debate on this issue, whereas Republicans simply side with greed.

If there was a public option, it would be a universally affordable option, dramatically more affordable to everyone, where everyone gets a subsidized price and private insurers would be forced to lower their prices to compete. It is a step behind Single Payer, but a huge leap beyond what we have now.

As you pointed out greed is the obstacle. Can it be done? Absolutely. Is it criminal? Not in the slightest.

If you are a person who agrees with the idea of Universal (meaning EVERYONE qualifies for) Affordable Healthcare, Hillary is the only choice right now.
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posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 12:28 PM
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originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Bone75

Utter garbage.

Just because a doctor is not being paid enough to maintain a millionaire lifestyle, does not mean that they are underpaid, and that would be the only real difference between a doctor under private, and a doctor under public provision. What utter tosh.

As with most people who have a problem with a truly socialised medical provision plan, you are simply arguing that the saving of lives is less important than whether money can be made in the doing of it, and THAT is the most criminally minded concept that one could ever hope to come up with!


Obamacare with a public option is NOT universal healthcare. Not even close.


It's disingenuous to say "not even close". Private insurers themselves have complained that a public option could make it impossible to compete, therefore leading to an inevitable "single payer"-like system.

It's like if the government created gas stations where gas was just 25 cents a gallon. They say you can still go to Shell or 76 and pay those prices... or go to Govt Gas and pay 25 cents. The other companies would be forced to take a dramatic hit to even compete. So what might their cry be? They'd try to complain the government gas is bad for your engine, or bad in some other way... it's Hitler-gas... ALL because it would hit their massive profit margin. Greed drives this.

It's important for people to understand this, because whether you're Republican or Democrat, we ALL age, we ALL get sick, and healthcare costs are going to effect us all. We ALL pay taxes, so why not fight for a better deal? Why not get affordable healthcare out of it? It's literally a fight between greed and people's health.



posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 03:59 PM
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originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: dlbott

I'm glad someone finally responded to that post-- because those are the actual issues, and we vote based on which candidate we agree with on these issues.

Climate Change
This is a showstopper. Republicans are still in denial. They want to deregulate. They have no priority at all on environment issues or clean energy. Clean renewable energy is a must. Climate Change is a reality. I can't vote for a candidate or party that continues to ignore this.

Ok, this one we can partially agree on... first, you are blinded if you think this is a Political fight. It is not. The Dems put up just enough fight on this to stay on that side of the line but in reality the majority of them vote in line with Republicans in favor of the Petrol dollar, no matter what it is... they are just as much bought by the cabal as the Repubs, so don't kid yourself there. If you don't believe that then I can honestly say that you have not researched the subject and are very uninformed. Now, climate changing, you betcha... is it caused by us, partly yes partly no. The overwhelming numbers of gases, the largest percentage, is coming from natural sources. When ice and permafrost melts or earthquakes, volcano's, on and on, they release far more gases in just one hour than all the man made gases on the planet in a day. Yea, we helped some of it along but it can be argued to what point. It is also true this very same thing has happened multiple times on the planet and had nothing to do with man, but was a natural cycle or an asteroid strike or super volcano etc etc. But, the biggest point here is this is not a political fight, this is a world problem. It matters not what we do here while India and China and others pollute without limits as we once did. Little known fact, large corridor of China, thousands of miles wide and thousands of miles long you can't see the sun for the pollution. hmmm, you see what I am saying.

Women's Rights
Republicans have been relentless in their pursuit to reduce women's rights. For anyone who values those rights, Hillary Clinton is the only way to go.

Here again you sound like a person just believing what HITLERy or MSM is feeding you and has not actually done any research. This statement simply is NOT true and you can actually go back and see every single vote on any legislation if you would like. Unless, you are simply talking abortion, which it sounds like. In that case you do see a definite split on party lines. I would simply suggest you look at some of the videos of an egg after insiminization and see for yourself that it does become alive and a person very quickly. The very moment the two combine a life is formed, a life that you are killing, that has no voice, no chance, no one to argue here on their behalf.... You see, this is very simple and I find it amazing that women especially don't know that it is a child, a life, or maybe that is the problem all along, they do and just don't want it. This, you should know in your spirit... it is a simple one... take a look at a living baby in cell form and watch it grow, it should change your mind... now, if you want to separate women's issues and health from abortion you will find a completely different story on your legislation. But, no they won't support things like planned parenthood who slaughters not just the cells, but fully formed babies and cuts them up and sells them. What part of that can't you understand and do you really think that is right, do you...

Universal Health Care
Republicans love to say "Repeal and Replace" but they never take the discussion further than that. Universal Healthcare is the way forward. That's what Obamacare should have been all along. Healthcare for everyone. THAT'S the way forward. Hillary doesn't want to undo Obamacare. She wants to improve on it.

This from someone I assume has healthcare and can afford it. We trusted Obummer in the lies he told and wife got his insurance. It blew up from the affordable care he promised, $19 a month, to ridiculous $199 a month, after the 700 plus the govt. put in. This maybe a number you can easily afford but not people on fixed incomes barely scraping by for every dollar and for two weeks a month there is no money or food in the house... so no, we don't think we can trust anyone on this.. you see, before at least there were free clinics, now Obummer care has made it so difficult on them that they are gone and there is no care accept to go to the hospital and they don't give you care, just a pill for that visit that day, not a script for a month or 90 days and then you still have to have the money to buy it.

I am an independent who vote's his spirit and I do believe there should be a universal healthcare available to everyone. I have been many places in the world thanks to military and I have seen so many countries that provide healthcare for their citizen's, yes they may have problems, but people still have care.... it can be done, but not here. too much greed here... you see, the cabal and greed run medical, not the govt... lol

Criminal Justice Reform
So many issues here. It's not just black vs white. Yes, a black person and white person arrested for the same crime-- the black person is more likely to get a stronger sentence. Black people are more likely to get stopped. More likely to get fine. That needs to change. But also we need to end Private For-Profit Prisons. Hillary Clinton has expressed strong support for these issues.

Again, you have no idea what you are really talking about. Yes, if you are in Chicago, where the overwhelming majority of the crime on the blotters is from young black men in gangs and the drug trade then yes you will see young black men stopped more and receive harsher punishments. But, this is not wrong. It is simply the truth. If you live in a city that is clustered with this problem and these crimes then yes, the people who are doing the crimes, in this case, mostly blacks, get harsher penalties and get stopped more. If you don't think that is only a natural response to the problem and issues you need to go get out on the street and ride with the cops and firefighters. Now in other cities, Phoenix, Albq., it is both blacks and Hispanics with Hispanics equally likely to be stopped or receiving harsh judgements because they have a large gang population and drug related crimes. If you actually research the subject and look at nation wide numbers you find that there is no difference across the board, it actually equals out unless you live in one of those cities and clusters.

So what is the answer, that is simple, black lives matter was started by a white man for a purpose and it had nothing to do with blacks, get it... the answer is to clean up your own hood and monitor ur own kids, no brainer.
I am at my limit so could not finish. but u seem like good person who is lost by false lies, SHE LIES. I may not vote for Trump, but will never vote for LYING HITLERy. Vote The Bot




posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 04:01 PM
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a reply to: spiritualzombie

The truest form of healthcare is when you decide to be treated and you secure your treatment. Not endless testing to justify a procedure to be rationed by the government. Or a bureaucrat saying you cannot get a procedure even if you can pay out of pocket.

Think politicians control too much now and manipulate the system to put themselves ahead in everyway? Just wait when only the government can pay for treatments.

It will end up like social security disability. Have to sue two or three times just to get what you need. While lawyers tap another revenue to skim money out of the system.



posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 04:43 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

That's just fear and paranoia. It's not like Universal Healthcare is a mythical beast that's never been seen. It can work just fine. Greed has a stranglehold on healthcare in the U.S. People go bankrupt on medical bills. People die because they can't afford it. It's not a partisan thing-- I would support any candidate making a strong push for universal healthcare. We should all support that effort. It's about making our country stronger and better.

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posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 04:46 PM
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originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Bone75

Utter garbage.

Just because a doctor is not being paid enough to maintain a millionaire lifestyle, does not mean that they are underpaid, and that would be the only real difference between a doctor under private, and a doctor under public provision. What utter tosh.

As with most people who have a problem with a truly socialised medical provision plan, you are simply arguing that the saving of lives is less important than whether money can be made in the doing of it, and THAT is the most criminally minded concept that one could ever hope to come up with!


Obamacare with a public option is NOT universal healthcare. Not even close.


It's disingenuous to say "not even close". Private insurers themselves have complained that a public option could make it impossible to compete, therefore leading to an inevitable "single payer"-like system.

It's like if the government created gas stations where gas was just 25 cents a gallon. They say you can still go to Shell or 76 and pay those prices... or go to Govt Gas and pay 25 cents. The other companies would be forced to take a dramatic hit to even compete. So what might their cry be? They'd try to complain the government gas is bad for your engine, or bad in some other way... it's Hitler-gas... ALL because it would hit their massive profit margin. Greed drives this.

It's important for people to understand this, because whether you're Republican or Democrat, we ALL age, we ALL get sick, and healthcare costs are going to effect us all. We ALL pay taxes, so why not fight for a better deal? Why not get affordable healthcare out of it? It's literally a fight between greed and people's health.


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Govt. option, really is not an issue... why, well that is a no brainer too... money... look at the govt. they can't run anything. They took our money, social security, which would have been solvent had they not touched it, and spent it. Now they can't pay us. You see, the govt is too big, too bloated, already does too much. Does anyone not know why the fed was formed in the first place... they only really had one job, to protect the nation... in other words, defense....

Now if they were just doing that and not regulating our lives, yea that is right, the states were meant to regulate themselves, not the Fed running roughshod over them... that means that the states could say man and woman marriage, or no abortion, you see, that is the way it was meant... the states were meant to govern themselves... so like minded people would live together.

The civil war itself was not started over slaves but over the right of the Fed to tell the state what to do...

They don't even teach history anymore... not true history lol... It literally had nothing to do with the black man but now it is taught it was all about slavery, lol.... it is simply not true lol

Our govt. could not handle universal healthcare, not unless you want everyone treated like us veterans who die while waiting for care... yea, they can do that... they are really good at that... and corruption and spending money lol

the bot

much as i would like it, it will never happen, we will have economic meltdown first... boomers are coming due.....



posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 04:46 PM
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originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Bone75

Utter garbage.

Just because a doctor is not being paid enough to maintain a millionaire lifestyle, does not mean that they are underpaid, and that would be the only real difference between a doctor under private, and a doctor under public provision. What utter tosh.

As with most people who have a problem with a truly socialised medical provision plan, you are simply arguing that the saving of lives is less important than whether money can be made in the doing of it, and THAT is the most criminally minded concept that one could ever hope to come up with!


Obamacare with a public option is NOT universal healthcare. Not even close.


It's disingenuous to say "not even close". Private insurers themselves have complained that a public option could make it impossible to compete, therefore leading to an inevitable "single payer"-like system.

It's like if the government created gas stations where gas was just 25 cents a gallon. They say you can still go to Shell or 76 and pay those prices... or go to Govt Gas and pay 25 cents. The other companies would be forced to take a dramatic hit to even compete. So what might their cry be? They'd try to complain the government gas is bad for your engine, or bad in some other way... it's Hitler-gas... ALL because it would hit their massive profit margin. Greed drives this.

It's important for people to understand this, because whether you're Republican or Democrat, we ALL age, we ALL get sick, and healthcare costs are going to effect us all. We ALL pay taxes, so why not fight for a better deal? Why not get affordable healthcare out of it? It's literally a fight between greed and people's health.


********************************************************************************************************************************************
Govt. option, really is not an issue... why, well that is a no brainer too... money... look at the govt. they can't run anything. They took our money, social security, which would have been solvent had they not touched it, and spent it. Now they can't pay us. You see, the govt is too big, too bloated, already does too much. Does anyone not know why the fed was formed in the first place... they only really had one job, to protect the nation... in other words, defense....

Now if they were just doing that and not regulating our lives, yea that is right, the states were meant to regulate themselves, not the Fed running roughshod over them... that means that the states could say man and woman marriage, or no abortion, you see, that is the way it was meant... the states were meant to govern themselves... so like minded people would live together.

The civil war itself was not started over slaves but over the right of the Fed to tell the state what to do...

They don't even teach history anymore... not true history lol... It literally had nothing to do with the black man but now it is taught it was all about slavery, lol.... it is simply not true lol

Our govt. could not handle universal healthcare, not unless you want everyone treated like us veterans who die while waiting for care... yea, they can do that... they are really good at that... and corruption and spending money lol

the bot

much as i would like it, it will never happen, we will have economic meltdown first... boomers are coming due.....



posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 05:21 PM
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All I can say is I don't share your cynicism... and because I don't, I would vote for Hillary and progressives in general to continue the path forward... hopefully move on to a Public Option... or even better... Single Payer.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this issue.



posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 08:12 PM
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a reply to: AshFan

Thanks for that Informative LINK Man .


This one is the Most Transparent -

" Leaked private speech, Clinton: “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with
open trade and open borders”:

In Essence , she is Proposing the Destruction of the United States of America through Political and Economic Homognization if Elected President . A Treasonous Idea if I ever Heard one ..........



posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 08:34 PM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: AshFan

Thanks for that Informative LINK Man .


This one is the Most Transparent -

" Leaked private speech, Clinton: “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with
open trade and open borders”:

In Essence , she is Proposing the Destruction of the United States of America through Political and Economic Homognization if Elected President . A Treasonous Idea if I ever Heard one ..........


She is not proposing the destruction of the U.S. What she's suggesting is not even remotely treasonous. This extreme hyperbolic rhetoric needs to stop. It's so crazy how the Right will look for hidden truths between the lines; venturing into the realm of fantasy... and yet ignore the blunt and clear statements of their own candidate who has opening called for murderous war crimes.

Hillary is expressing a pro-trade position... Here is the entire statement:

My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.

I understand the lack of trust, but this extreme level of manic paranoia needs to come down to reality.



posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 08:58 PM
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originally posted by: spiritualzombie
All I can say is I don't share your cynicism... and because I don't, I would vote for Hillary and progressives in general to continue the path forward... hopefully move on to a Public Option... or even better... Single Payer.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this issue.


Colorado. Every voter in Colorado needs to get out there and vote.

Single-payer health care. Let's try it. We tried "Tea Party" now. For several years. It is a JYE ANT FAY UL.
omg. And we're here next door to Colorado.......Kansas is falling apart ---- and it as an experiment in "tea party" policies has failed. Not just failed, but failed spectacularly. It's still failing. And right next door!!! There's Colorado, with awesome results!!!

And Kansas, well, sucks.



posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 08:58 PM
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originally posted by: spiritualzombie

If there was a public option, it would be a universally affordable option, dramatically more affordable to everyone, where everyone gets a subsidized price and private insurers would be forced to lower their prices to compete.



The bill would set up a government-run health insurance plan with premiums 5% to 7% percent lower than private insurance.


wiki

5% - 7% is dramatically more affordable? Wouldn't erasing the red lines around the states accomplish the same thing without creating a whole new government entity?



posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 09:05 PM
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originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

If there was a public option, it would be a universally affordable option, dramatically more affordable to everyone, where everyone gets a subsidized price and private insurers would be forced to lower their prices to compete.



The bill would set up a government-run health insurance plan with premiums 5% to 7% percent lower than private insurance.


wiki

5% - 7% is dramatically more affordable? Wouldn't erasing the red lines around the states accomplish the same thing without creating a whole new government entity?


The entity is already in place to institute a single-payer plan. 5%-7% is nothing compared to the 30%-40% we could take out of the healthcare costs if we eliminate insurance company profit.
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posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 09:07 PM
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a reply to: spiritualzombie

Sorry , but you are Aware of the Implications of " Open Borders* " I assume ? How in your Opinion would that Effect the National Security of the United States ? Take your Time to answer that , it is a Very Serious Question .
edit on 4-11-2016 by Zanti Misfit because: Typo



posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 09:09 PM
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a reply to: Zanti Misfit


" Open Boarders "




Try again.



posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: neutronflux

That's just fear and paranoia. It's not like Universal Healthcare is a mythical beast that's never been seen. It can work just fine. Greed has a stranglehold on healthcare in the U.S. People go bankrupt on medical bills. People die because they can't afford it. It's not a partisan thing-- I would support any candidate making a strong push for universal healthcare. We should all support that effort. It's about making our country stronger and better.


Yep, just like communism works just fine too. Ask the USSR, er, Cuba! Yeah, ask Cuba.



posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 09:12 PM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: AshFan

Thanks for that Informative LINK Man .


This one is the Most Transparent -

" Leaked private speech, Clinton: “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with
open trade and open borders”:

In Essence , she is Proposing the Destruction of the United States of America through Political and Economic Homognization if Elected President . A Treasonous Idea if I ever Heard one ..........


What an utterly ridiculous leap of thought........

you have no idea....not the foggiest notion what it is people are talking about. Do you? No. You don't.



posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 09:12 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

If it sucks so bad, why do you keep living there? I mean, there is Colorado, the new prog promised land ... it's right there and there's open borders. Nothing stops you from moving. I assure you ... Kansas won't miss you.



posted on Nov, 4 2016 @ 09:14 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: neutronflux

That's just fear and paranoia. It's not like Universal Healthcare is a mythical beast that's never been seen. It can work just fine. Greed has a stranglehold on healthcare in the U.S. People go bankrupt on medical bills. People die because they can't afford it. It's not a partisan thing-- I would support any candidate making a strong push for universal healthcare. We should all support that effort. It's about making our country stronger and better.


Yep, just like communism works just fine too. Ask the USSR, er, Cuba! Yeah, ask Cuba.


The USSR was pivotal in defeating the Nazis in WW2, with their ability to mobilize their forces at a moments notice and move entire industrial sectors out of harms way. Also, did you know that we send many Americans to Cuba to study things like language and medicine?




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