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How on Earth are you people still defending her?

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posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 06:57 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: LockNLoad

Thanks. I'm not trying to get a degree in security and this is a pretty long missive. Perhaps you can help me find where Clinton's server is deemed "illegal". From what I'm finding, it doesn't appear to be.


8-501. Single-user, Stand-alone Systems. Extensive technical protection measures are normally inappropriate and inordinately expensive for singleuser, stand-alone systems. The CSA can approve administrative and environmental protection measures for such systems, in lieu of technical ones. Systems that have one user at a time, but have a total of more than one user with no sanitization between users, are multi-user systems, and the CSA shall consider the systems as such in determining the protection level and the resulting security requirements. Systems that have one user at a time, are sanitized between users and periods of different classification/sensitivity, are periods processing systems as described below.



8-503. Pure Servers a. Certain specialized systems, when acting as pure servers in a network, do not fit the protection level criteria and may need fewer technical security countermeasures. These systems have the following characteristics:
(1) No user code is present on the system.
(2) Only system administrators and maintainers can access the system.
(3) The system provides non-interactive services to clients (e.g., packet routing or messaging services).
(4) The hardware and/or application providing network services otherwise meet the security requirements of the network. (5) The risk of attack against the Security Support Structure (SSS) using network communication paths is sufficiently low.
(6) The risk of attack against the SSS using physical access to the system itself is sufficiently low.



8-505. Systems with Group Authenticators. Many security measures specified in this section implicitly assume that the system includes an acceptable level of individual accountability. This is normally ensured by the use of unique user identifiers and authenticators. Operationally, the design of some systems necessitates more than one individual using the same identifier/ authenticator combination. Such situations are often referred to as requiring the use of group authenticators. In general, the use of group authenticators precludes the association of a particular act with the individual who initiated that act. In turn, this can preclude assignment of responsibility and can exacerbate the difficulties involved in incident investigation. Group authenticators shall be used only for broader access after the use of a unique authenticator for initial identification and authentication, and documented in SSP. Group authenticators may not be shared with anyone outside of the group.


Part of it falls under the Physical Security aspect of IS security:

"8-308. Physical Security
a. Safeguards shall be established that prevent or detect unauthorized access to the IS and unauthorized modification of the IS hardware and software. Hardware integrity of the IS, including remote equipment, shall be maintained at all times, even when all classified information has been removed from the IS.
b. Classified processing shall take place in a CSA-approved area.
c. Visual Access. Devices that display or output information in human-readable form shall be positioned to prevent unauthorized individuals from reading the information.
d. Unescorted Access. All personnel granted unescorted access to the area containing the IS shall have an appropriate security clearance"

Another part is the configuration of the system:

"8-311. Configuration Management.
Configuration management (CM) ensures that protection features are implemented and maintained in the system.
CM applies a level of discipline and control to the processes of system maintenance and modification.
CM provides system users with a measure of assurance that the implemented system represents the approved system."

And besides I was just responded to your statement that the government does not have separate computer system for classified and unclassified. I do not know if Hillary's systems were in an approved area or configured properly, but I think it can be safely 'assumed' that her computer in her basement that had the classified E-Mails did not meet the requirements.




posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 07:02 PM
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a reply to: cavtrooper7

Not all "PC" people want your guns. I know I don't. I personally like having the options I have. And in general I think people are crazy anytime they vote for less rights over more. And trust me, both sides fight for less rights all the time. Be a gun owner, or a woman, they have their sights set on you.

How does the so-called PC effort inevitably lead to something bad? What is the "line"?

Why does BLM anger so many people? Black people are targeted more than white people. When that social issue comes up, all you have to do is say , yeah, that's a problem that should be fixed. Why does it need to be a fight?

Why does any of the PC sh#t need to be a fight? There should be no fight. There is no need to fight. The people who choose to resist and show disrespect are a-holes, plain and simple. There NEVER needs to be a fight over any of the dumb PC sh#t. People who can't go from Negro to African American or Black, just to be respectful... are Fing a-holes. There is no need for them to resist. There is no need for them to get angry. All this anti-PC sh#t is such an unnessesary stupid fight.

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posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 07:04 PM
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a reply to: LockNLoad




I think it can be safely 'assumed' that her computer in her basement that had the classified E-Mails did not meet the requirements.


I don't know about that. The Clintons are private, secretive and paranoid people. I can't imagine that their server wasn't secure, and while the White House and the Pentagon were hacked, there's no evidence that their server ever was.



posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 07:12 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: LockNLoad




I think it can be safely 'assumed' that her computer in her basement that had the classified E-Mails did not meet the requirements.


I don't know about that. The Clintons are private, secretive and paranoid people. I can't imagine that their server wasn't secure, and while the White House and the Pentagon were hacked, there's no evidence that their server ever was.


There is SOOOO much that goes into having a classified computer system that if their systems were following the law her possible mishandling of classified e-mails would not be even questioned.



posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 07:18 PM
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a reply to: spiritualzombie

Not really no .
It's an attempt to alter language to passivity,at it's archevil we have Cloward and Piven and It intrudes on traditional religion pathologically.
history ,and culture are redefined for the latest flavor and the people should be that way too?
I think not,it really happened EVERYONE should know it.
I think I'll just keep things as American nationalist as I need to and make sure this activism is maintained at the state level.
MEANWHILE we have to change sensitivity training to take a lower grade to marksmanship in the military and halt females in combat MOSs asap, ONLY support elements, RANK will have to be figured out when the brass gets THINNED out.
I like meat ,I don't like militant dietary assisstance.
I can SPEAK for my self NOT a projected demographic THAT sh#t is RAMPANT.
I have So many and Chow is up...



posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 07:21 PM
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The emails thing... She got the idea from Colin Powell. Clearly it went against protocol which is why he warned her to be careful. It was not the right thing to do which is why she has apologized for it. So far there is nothing crazy bad in these emails... Especially for Republicans who had no problem with Bush, 9/11, the outing of CIA officer Valerie Plame, the invasion of Iraq under false pretenses--- When ALL that was deemed A-Okay by Republicans--- Where do they get off having any issue with Fing emails??? Fing emails is the line for them?? 3000 dead on 9/11 despite advance warning is OKAY? Lying to Congress and the American people to get us in an unending WAR is OKAY, But Fing emails and 4 dead in Benghazi is where they draw the line?? Give me Fing break.



posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 07:28 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
this is way, way past partisan politics. This is even way past the idea that something criminal has occurred. Hillary has been caught mishandling classified documents. Which in and of itself, should be enough to send her to jail for the crime that it is. But now we have proof that she was fed questions prior to the debate. (we all suspected it, but were assured by the SJW's that it was just a "vast right wing conspiracy" that was churning up those rumors.)

Then we get into the foundation. We see that "pay to play" is indeed the way that was operated. We see that favors were granted for HUGE (YUUUGE) sums of money from foreign governments and diplomats. We have Chelsea crying about her fair share of laundered money. (apparently didn't think about the big picture or just be happy with what you have been given already)

This is not even approaching Bill Clinton and his multitudes of problems. This is just Hillary at the moment.

So it comes down to this, how can anyone think this is OK? If your argument is the "lesser of 2 evils" I can almost respect that, or at least I could have, if none of the "vast right wing conspiracy" information was factual. But it is. So far, everything seems to be true. And I don't think we have even scratched the surface of what Huma's e-mails may have in them. An indictment and a conviction is the only thing that can restore any integrity back to the US at this point. We look like an entire country of idiots. And then we have Hillary supporters STILL BEATING THE DRUMS!!!!

I am ashamed of what our system of Government has become. But if anything positive can come from this, I would hope that a massive house cleaning takes place, and plenty of bleach is used to eradicate the infestation of slime.

I don't have to defend her to know she at least wouldn't make us a laughing stock like Trump. There are plenty of corrupt politicians who are successful. Hell, most politicians are corrupt. People really aren't even defending her anymore in the real world, which ATS certainly is not; they're merely pointing out the unequivocal truth that she isn't Trump, and is therefore better for the position.

I won't vote for her. I finally made my mind up on that. You can thank the idiots who voted in Trump as the reason one of the most corrupt politicians of our age is going to be the next president.
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posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 07:32 PM
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originally posted by: Tardacus
a reply to: kaylaluv

so, basically what you said is that you aren`t voting for Hillary you`re voting against trump.
if you were voting for someone you would have mentioned the things that they want to do instead of only mentioning the things they said they won`t do.


That is the way this system works. We aren't a Parliament.



posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 07:35 PM
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originally posted by: Bone75
You guys really don't understand Hillary supporters do you?

They WANT a criminal in the White House who is going to bend and break the rules.

Their agenda is criminal, therefore their leader needs to be as well.

Riiiiight. Or, their other option was a socialist who isn't a Democrat. And now their other choice is a self-admitted sexual predator who wants to bring us into a trade war with the rest of the world, who doesn't understand history, and who embodies at least 6 of the 7 deadly sins.

Once again, we aren't a parliamentary system. If we were then a third party could arise, but it simply doesn't work that way in a winner take all situation.



posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 07:41 PM
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a reply to: network dude

At this stage, I see only two possibilities, for people who still support her. One, they have serious problems comprehending reality, or two, they are as evil and corrupt as she is, and want someone like the in office.



posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 07:43 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: kaylaluv
If you could promise me that Trump won't put an uber conservative on the Supreme Court, and if you could promise me he won't try to build a stupid wall, and if you could promise me that he won't ban all Muslims from coming to this country, and if you could promise me that he won't put a muzzle on the press to keep them from saying anything uncomplimentary about him, if you could promise me that he wouldn't promote more tax loopholes for the very rich, if you could promise me he won't help to enact a stop and frisk procedure in African American and Hispanic communities...

If you could promise me all that, I might vote for him. I know Hillary won't do any of those things, so that's why I'm likely to vote for her.


you know nobody can do that. What we can do is explain that Trump, while he is a windbag, and easily provoked to say stupid things, he actually is a smart person. If you read his book, you would understand a bit about why he makes "over the top statements". He is asking for thing that are so amazingly out of reach (see giant wall) that when a much more sensible plan is promoted, it would actually be what he wanted in the first place. It's a trick to get what you want. Can't say I'd do it, or that I even could, but it seems to work for him.

Now, he might be the worst president we have ever seen. Or..... he might be something great. (likely, he will just be someone we breath a sigh of relief over in 2020.)

So I doubt very much that he really wants a giant wall, and if you look at what he ACTUALLY said about Muslims is that we need a better vetting process on the immigrants coming form the middle east. Most of us agree with that. He acted within the law regarding his taxes, or he would be in prison right now.

So you can't have a promise that he will be all you want him to be, but the one thing he isn't right now is Hillary.

So, your argument is essentially the same as people who oppose Trump. He isn't Hillary, and Hilllary isn't him. Do you not see the circular logic?



posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: spiritualzombie

Not really no .
It's an attempt to alter language to passivity,at it's archevil we have Cloward and Piven and It intrudes on traditional religion pathologically.


How is the Cloward and Piven strategy evil? I know a lot of paranoid conservatives fantasize about it like it's the worst imagineable horror--- apparently worse than war or nuclear holocaust... so explain to me how the idea of a guaranteed income is the "archevil" of PC? That sounds so paranoid. Not to mention to jump from PC to Cloward and Piven is just ridiculous.

And how does using the word black instead of n****r alter language in a negative way? And how does any of it intrude on religion?

Asking these questions only solidifies for me why I am not voting for Trump.

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posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 07:49 PM
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originally posted by: YouSir
a reply to: network dude


Ummm...it's because they don't care...They're so steeped in the progressive narrative....that it simply doesn't matter...

They're focused like a laser beam on one thing and one thing only...Antonin Scalia's seat on the Supreme court...

They will gut this country and anyone that stands in their way...






YouSir

If the country is gutted wouldn't anyone that could stand in thier way already be gutted?



posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: network dude

At this stage, I see only two possibilities, for people who still support her. One, they have serious problems comprehending reality, or two, they are as evil and corrupt as she is, and want someone like the in office.


What about "not a fan of racists, homophobes, bigots, and misogynists"? Or maybe "they always disagree with white supremacists"? Or how about "they don't like authoritarians with Narcissistic Personality Disorder"? Might these also be reasons they vote Hillary?



posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: spiritualzombie

Not really no .
It's an attempt to alter language to passivity,at it's archevil we have Cloward and Piven and It intrudes on traditional religion pathologically.


How is the Cloward and Piven strategy evil? I know a lot of paranoid conservatives fantasize about it like it's the worst imagineable horror--- apparently worse than war or nuclear holocaust... so explain to me how the idea of a guaranteed income is the "archevil" of PC? That sounds so paranoid. Not to mention to jump from PC to Cloward and Piven is just ridiculous.

And how does using the word black instead of n****r alter language in a negative way? And how does any of it intrude on religion?

Asking these questions only solidifies for me why I am not voting for Trump.

That's why you won't vote trump? Did you read any of the ball of crap hillary has been rolling along for years. How does what she has done compare to any candidate who has run for office.



posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 08:04 PM
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And for the Rest of Us:

If all this is giving you agita [making you agitated], you’re not alone.

Fifty-two percent of Americans say the election is a significant source of stress, with high stakes, unpredictable outcomes, and a constant barrage of ugly attacks and revelations combining to create a national climate of anxiety.

The longest-running No. 1 song of 2016 is the Chainsmokers’ “Closer,”a wistful duet that captures the weariness of America.


God I'm so tired. So very tired.
Sad, and tired. Sick and tired.




please.....



next!



posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 08:05 PM
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a reply to: jlafleur02

What she has done? How about what Trump has done? The damage Trump has done to this country... The division he has carved. His campaign has been one of intense anger, aggression, division, and violence. He is the worst candidate ever to run in my lifetime. He has embraced such nastiness, such awfulness that the damage may be irreversible. If there is one man who could start a Civil War, it is Donald Trump. He's the worst Fing thing to ever happen to this country.

And of course the dumb racists don't see it. Just like the dumb racists blamed the north for the Civil War. The dumb racists never f-ing get it. They're the first ones to scream race war and they never f-ing see who they are.

Donald Trump is a hero to all the dumb racists of the country. If he's your hero too...
Well, birds of a feather...



posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 08:15 PM
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[double post]


edit on 1-11-2016 by MasterPepe because: can you hear the deplorables sing, singing the song of drunken men



posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 08:20 PM
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a reply to: spiritualzombie

NOT my issue, it's all your's to learn.



posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 08:20 PM
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Hillary is a career criminal. She needs to answer for her crimes the same as general Patreous. The fact that this women is on the ballot or up for the POTUS tells all of you just how deep and how vile the corruption goes.

Hillary being a candidate speaks perfectly to the level of utter corruption we have sunk too. What the more pathetic of us are willing to accept and just how ignorant most Americans are. Don't worry, no matter what, the smarter Americans will educate you.
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