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Apparently there are many that do not understand the meaning of Revolution

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posted on Oct, 30 2016 @ 07:11 PM
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I have seen many here on ATS call for armed revolution, even some of our politicians. There seem to be many that do not understand the concept.

Purely hypothetical concept.

1. Donald Trump is elected President
2. I decide to start a revolution, damn I need some armed followers. First thing we are going to do is break some laws, and then they will send LE after us, now I need more followers.
3. If we are successful, and defeat LE, we have broken more laws, now they will send the military after us. Part of the military might be with us in idea, but they have to follow orders. Now we need more followers that are not keyboard warriors, in this day and age, don't see that happening.

Can a revolt happen, maybe, but there is no one worth a snap that is a leader.

Just a conversation starter, to see if there are any actual leaders out there, none of our current politicians seem to have that ability. I am tired of hearing these calls for armed conflict, those calling for it have no f'n idea.
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posted on Oct, 30 2016 @ 07:22 PM
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a reply to: BubbaJoe

A rag tag army of SJWs revolting over Trump getting elected.

I think I would actually pay to see that. Oh man, that would be hilarious.



posted on Oct, 30 2016 @ 07:23 PM
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Who is calling for "armed" revolution here at ATS?

I certainly have not seen many as you claim.

The new media revolution is proving to be sufficent enough to attain a peaceful political revolution so far.

Now if the establishment cracks down on free speech on the internet and make peaceful revolution impossible....



posted on Oct, 30 2016 @ 07:25 PM
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a reply to: BubbaJoe

The American revolution started with about 15% of people supporting it.

The initial phase was as you describe. Once world powers at odds with the standing government realize the game is afoot, weapons and training are supplied. Is the case for most revolutions.

The weapons and expertise comes if the revolting party can hold out long enough to get the attention of international arms suppliers or states not strong enough to wage war with the opposing government but strong enough to supply logistical and armed support.

A revolution would be terrible, but make no mistake that option is NEVER off the table.

Not even in heaven.

Trying to silence, subvert and otherwise make opposition impossible is BUILDING a case for armed revolution.

There such a thing as Too much control.

Push, and eventually you reach an opposing force that pushes back. It doesnt have to be stronger to knock you back, you only need lose your balance.

So government would be wise to RESPECT their people out of love and fear.


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posted on Oct, 30 2016 @ 07:27 PM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: BubbaJoe

A rag tag army of SJWs revolting over Trump getting elected.

I think I would actually pay to see that. Oh man, that would be hilarious.


And a ragtag Army revolting over Hillary getting elected wouldn't be funny either. I am a veteran, and Americans dying for any reason, I do not find to be hilarious.



posted on Oct, 30 2016 @ 07:30 PM
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originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
Who is calling for "armed" revolution here at ATS?

I certainly have not seen many as you claim.

The new media revolution is proving to be sufficent enough to attain a peaceful political revolution so far.

Now if the establishment cracks down on free speech on the internet and make peaceful revolution impossible....


Will not name names, but you have seen it as well. The only one threatening to crack down on free speech is Trump, imagine that.


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posted on Oct, 30 2016 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: BubbaJoe

The problem with revolution is always what comes after.

Who's to say that the revolution will bring a positive change?
Who's to say what happens after a side, "loses".
Kill 'em? Camps? Jail?


Revolution is a fun idea to some, but an ugly reality to anyone else.



posted on Oct, 30 2016 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: BubbaJoe

Why isn't the populatist movement that is happening now the start of a revolution? It could eventually include arms but seems this movement could do wonders if the populace got with term limits, limits to lobbying etc. Finding their voice makes a difference could at least be the start of something larger



posted on Oct, 30 2016 @ 07:32 PM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: BubbaJoe

The American revolution started with about 15% of people supporting it.

The initial phase was as you describe. Once world powers at odds with the government realize the game is afoot, weapons and training are supplied. Is the case for most revolutions.

The weapons and expertise comes if the revolting party can hold out long enough to get the attention of international arms suppliers or states not strong enough to wage war with the opposing government but strong enough to supply logistical and armed support.

A revolution would be terrible, but make no mistake that option is NEVER off the table.

Not even in heaven.

Trying to silence, subvert and otherwise make oposition impossible is BUILDING a case for armed revolution.

There such a thing as Too much control.

Push, and eventually you reach an opposing force that pushes back. It doesnt have to be stronger to knock you back, you only need lose your balance.

So government would be wise to RESPECT their people out of love and fear.



You are 100% correct, I am a student of history. The problem is there is so many alt news sources right now, both right and left, nobody is listening to the middle.



posted on Oct, 30 2016 @ 07:33 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: BubbaJoe

The problem with revolution is always what comes after.

Who's to say that the revolution will bring a positive change?
Who's to say what happens after a side, "loses".
Kill 'em? Camps? Jail?


Revolution is a fun idea to some, but an ugly reality to anyone else.


Agree 100%



posted on Oct, 30 2016 @ 07:34 PM
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that`s always the way with a revolution, you have to have a better plan in place before you even start a revolution other wise you end up with a power vacuum and you have no control over who might fill it.



posted on Oct, 30 2016 @ 07:35 PM
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originally posted by: liveandlearn
a reply to: BubbaJoe

Why isn't the populatist movement that is happening now the start of a revolution? It could eventually include arms but seems this movement could do wonders if the populace got with term limits, limits to lobbying etc. Finding their voice makes a difference could at least be the start of something larger


Bernie was a populist movement too, and one that I agreed with somewhat. The populist movement surrounding Trump wants to set the USA back 100 years.



posted on Oct, 30 2016 @ 07:36 PM
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Every week we get someone who says, "Wake Up! What does it take to get you people to take back our country!" posts. So yeah, the sentiment is there. What usually happens when some group doesn't like the establishment is they go out and set fire to their own neighborhoods and burn down businesses started by immigrants who got here six months ago and don't even speak English, but, you know, America is unfair to the rioters.

The only thing that would have a snowball's chance in hell of working, and probably would not, is if a group of states decided to secede. Imagine, for example, the scenario when Obama pardons Hillary and the flyover states go wild. Now that didn't go over too well last time, IIRC, but times are different. one of the issues that "impeded progress" last time was firing on Ft. Sumter, a tactical victory, but a strategic mistake. If someone were politically astute, ell, it certainly could be exciting times.

But that's just wishful fantasy. Realistically speaking, it's not going to happen.



posted on Oct, 30 2016 @ 07:38 PM
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a reply to: BubbaJoe

Maybe according to you. My thinking is just get control of the gov. back as well as enforcing the laws we have.



posted on Oct, 30 2016 @ 07:39 PM
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a reply to: BubbaJoe

I Will Only Join the Revolution if I run out of Beer .


Signed , Joe Blow .



posted on Oct, 30 2016 @ 07:42 PM
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They might call it a revolution but in reality it will be a race war. It may start out as a movement to restore an ideal but to be soon
coopted by those with more evil intentions.
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posted on Oct, 30 2016 @ 07:42 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler
Every week we get someone who says, "Wake Up! What does it take to get you people to take back our country!" posts. So yeah, the sentiment is there. What usually happens when some group doesn't like the establishment is they go out and set fire to their own neighborhoods and burn down businesses started by immigrants who got here six months ago and don't even speak English, but, you know, America is unfair to the rioters.

The only thing that would have a snowball's chance in hell of working, and probably would not, is if a group of states decided to secede. Imagine, for example, the scenario when Obama pardons Hillary and the flyover states go wild. Now that didn't go over too well last time, IIRC, but times are different. one of the issues that "impeded progress" last time was firing on Ft. Sumter, a tactical victory, but a strategic mistake. If someone were politically astute, ell, it certainly could be exciting times.

But that's just wishful fantasy. Realistically speaking, it's not going to happen.


I don't know if they would be exciting or scary. For the most part I agree with you assessment, is there a real leader out there among our current politicians?



posted on Oct, 30 2016 @ 07:44 PM
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Bob Owens...."What you'll see in a rebellion...Perhaps 50-100 million firearms currently owned by law-abiding citizens will become contraband with the stroke of a pen. Citizens will either register their firearms, or turn them in to agents of the federal government, or risk becoming criminals themselves. Faced with this choice, millions will indeed register their arms. Perhaps as many will claim they’ve sold their arms, or had them stolen. Suppose that as many as 200-250 million weapons of other types will go unregistered.

Tens of millions of Americans will refuse to comply with an order that is clearly a violation of the explicit intent of the Second Amendment. Among the most ardent opposing these measures will be military veterans, active duty servicemen, and local law enforcement officers. Many of these individuals will refuse to carry out what they view as Constitutionally illegal orders. Perhaps 40-50 million citizens will view such a law as treason. Perhaps ten percent of those, 4-5 million, would support a rebellion in some way, and maybe 40,000-100,000 Americans will form small independently-functioning active resistance cells, or become lone-wolves.

They will be leaderless, stateless, difficult to track, and considering the number of military veterans that would likely be among their number, extremely skilled at sabotage, assassination, and ambush.

After a number of carefully-planned, highly-publicized, and successful raids by the government, one or more will invariably end “badly.” Whether innocents are gunned down, a city block is burned to ash, or especially fierce resistance leads to a disastrously failed raid doesn’t particularly matter. What matters is that when illusion of the government’s invincibility and infallibility is broken, the hunters will become the hunted.

Unnamed citizens and federal agents will be the first to die, and they will die by the dozens and maybe hundreds, but famous politicians will soon join them in a spate of revenge killings, many of which will go unsolved.

Ironically, while the gun grab was intended to keep citizens from preserving their liberties with medium-powered weapons, it completely ignored the longer-ranged rifles perfect for shooting at ranges far beyond what a security detail can protect, and suppressed .22LR weapons proven deadly in urban sniping in Europe and Asia.

While the Secret Service will be able to protect the President in the White House, he will not dare leave his gilded cage except in carefully controlled circumstances. Even then he will be forced to move like a criminal. He will never be seen outdoors in public again. Not in this country.

The 535 members of the House and Senate in both parties that allowed such a law to pass would largely be on their own; the Secret Service is too small to protect all of them and their families, the Capitol Police too unskilled, and competent private security not particularly interested in working against their own best interests at any price. The elites will be steadily whittled down, and if they can not be reached directly, the targets will become their staffers, spouses, children, and grandchildren. Grandstanding media figures loyal to the regime would die in droves, executed as enemies of the Republic.

You can expect congressional staffs to disintegrate with just a few shootings, and expect elected officials themselves to resign well before a quarter of their number are eliminated, leaving us with a boxed-in executive, his cabinet loyalists trapped in the same win, die, or flee the country circumstance, military regime loyalists, and whatever State Governors who desire to risk their necks as well.

Here, the President will doubtlessly order the activation of National Guard units and the regular military to impose martial law, setting the largest and most powerful military in the world against its own people. Unfortunately, the tighter the President clinches his tyrannical fist, the more rebels he makes.

Military commands and federal agencies will be whittled down as servicemen and agents will desert or defect. Some may leave as individuals, others may join the Rebellion in squad and larger-sized units with all their weapons, tactics, skills, and insider intelligence. The regime will be unable to trust its own people, and because they cannot trust them, they will lose more in a vicious cycle of collapse.

Some of these defectors will be true “operators,” with the skills and background to turn ragtag militia cells into the kind of forces that decimate loyalist troops, allowing them no rest and no respite, striking them when they are away from their most potent weapons. Military vehicles are formidable, but they are thirsty beasts, in terms of fuel, ammo, time, and maintenance. Tanks and bombers are formidable only when they have gas, guns, and can be maintained. In a war without a front, logistics are incredibly easy to destroy, and mechanics and supply clerks are not particularly adept at defending themselves.

Eventually, the government will turn upon itself. The President will be captured or perhaps killed by his own protectors. A dictatorship will form in the vacuum.

If we’re lucky, the United States of America, or whatever amalgam results, will again try to rebuild. If we’re very lucky, the victors will reinstate the Constitution as the law of the land. Just as likely though, we’ll face fractious civil wars fought over issues we’ve not begun to fathom, and a much diminished state or states will result, perhaps guided by foreign interests.

It will not be pretty. There will be no “winners,” and perhaps hundreds of thousands to millions of dead.



posted on Oct, 30 2016 @ 07:44 PM
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originally posted by: liveandlearn
a reply to: BubbaJoe

Maybe according to you. My thinking is just get control of the gov. back as well as enforcing the laws we have.


How are you going to do that, we have the two worst candidates for the major parties in all of history. How do you get control of government back?



posted on Oct, 30 2016 @ 07:45 PM
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It won't happen we don't need it to beat the leafy lillies,just a little conviction and the patience of a sniper.
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