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originally posted by: BlackProject
originally posted by: CaptainBeno
a reply to: jon1
Jon1 Please would you take the time to watch this.
Thank you in advance.
Not seen this video in about 2 years or so but certainly one of the brightest minds of our generation showing the very clear and obvious reasons for those that do not follow religion. Stephen puts it very elegantly here and nice to see others like yourself appreciating his words.
God Is a Person
Jesus spoke about Jehovah’s dwelling place when he said to his disciples: “In the house of my father there are many abodes. . . . I am going my way to prepare a place for you.” (John 14:2) Where did Jesus go? Eventually, he “entered . . . into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us.” (Hebrews 9:24) This account teaches us two important facts about Jehovah God. First, he has a literal place of dwelling, and second, he is a person, not simply an indefinable force that resides everywhere.
originally posted by: whereislogic
a reply to: TzarChasm
Who said the universe had to be created? (I think W.L.Craig and the Kalam cosmological argument supporters and fans sometimes do this, i.e. Muslims and YEC's most of the time, but I didn't, the question was a rhetorical expression) If it has existed eternally it cannot be created any more than an eternal God otherwise it wouldn't have existed eternally if it was created (and you're back to talking about a logical contradiction: an eternal universe that supposedly came into existene by the process of creation or being created, thus it did not exist eternally).
Considering that, then the question remains whether or not the universe has existed eternally. I can see evidence and clues from the fields of physics and astronomy that that is not the case. Even Stephen Hawking isn't arguing for an eternal universe in his book "The Grand Design"; seeing that he's philosophizing and arguing that the universe has created itself (shortly after claiming "Philosophy is dead", ironically and to hide his own philosophizing and conflate philosophical naturalism with "science" some more). Which makes reasonable people who aren't as easily wooed, impressed and beguiled by impressive credentials and popularity within certain circles think about the question:
How does anything do anything when it doesn't even exist yet to do anything, let alone create itself when it doesn't even exist yet?
originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: TzarChasm
There are christians who thinks God in the bible is a person. since God created man (male and female) in his image.
There are many christians who thinks Jesus is God, (And that Jesus praid to him self when he was in flesh on Earth 2000 years ago).
Christians and non christians have been educated through different social chanels to have a specific personal image of God in their mind, just like you have. Even though the God in the Bible have stated who and what he is. And it is not even in the ball park of how you try to describe God. Even the common christian get it wrong, because they have also been groomed to have a specific view and image of God.
If the God in the Bible describes himself as infinite. That always was and always is. God can only be 1 thing.... and that is everything.
- But you would not understand why that is. Because you have aksed for proof......but dont see it.
originally posted by: LittleFire
We are taught in religion that when we pray to God,( which ever one you choose ) one of three things happen.
A. God will answer your prayer.
B. God will not answer your prayer.
C. God will answer your prayer in time.
Under these conditions anyone or anything can be God . I can pray to the chair Im sitting in right now and one of these three things are going to happen. Weather I ask my magical chair for a million dollars or for the Sun to rise in the morning it will always be correct under these circumstances.
originally posted by: Godthief
The point of the thread is to see if the people who went looking for god found him.