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The "we are all in this together" argument is illogical: if other people cannot feel the very real internal, continuous and potent pain felt by the person contemplating taking their own life, they have no right to judge that person for taking their life.
originally posted by: MaxTamesSiva
a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness
That's precisely the point Camus made in his book The Rebel, after tackling the idea of suicide in his previous book The Myth of Sisyphus. The Myth of Sisyphus as the Old Testament and the Rebel as the New Testament.
"Man is the only creature who refuses to be what he is."
The Rebel (Introduction)
And as Dostoevsky pointed out in Memoirs From the House of the Dead:
"Man is a creature who can get used to anything, and I believe that is the very best way of defining him."
It seems to me life is inherently absurd, and any thought to end one’s own life is inherently rational. I imagine that most people would not consider suicide a rational thought. But then again, most people live reactively, continuing to live purely out of habit, and any idea that threatens to break this habit is viewed as false.
It seems to me life is inherently absurd, and any thought to end one’s own life is inherently rational
originally posted by: nightbringr
originally posted by: violet
I sincerely doubt a person that close to taking their life is thinking about what comes after it. It's an " ending" about ending pain, ending the suffering. Everything else they tried to do about it failed to take away the feelings of wanting it all to end. It's a last straw. It's not about beginning a new journey. There's no desire to begin anything.
I guarantee many a Catholic has wanted to do the deed, but in Catholicism, the punishment for suicide is hell.
You don't think that would change people's minds, or would weigh very heavily indeed on them? I can't think of any pain beyond constant, agonizing torture that would make me want to risk hell.
originally posted by: Astrocyte
And what about the psychoneurosocial conditions underlying the appearance of the condition i.e. a desire to commit suicide?
Pointing out the effects of a suicide ultimately seeks to hack at the core of the delusion: that you feel this way now and it wont "ever go away".
What greater compassion can there be than to assure a person that their experience - belief, or desire for suicide - is an emergent, congintently dependent phenomenon i.e. requiring a fundamental social malaise?
You are vastly and catastrophically misunderstanding the nature of the Human condition i.e. its essential and inherent socialness.
The fact is, we evolved around one another: if you believe and understand what evolution is (which you appear to not undrstand) you will understand the irreducible dynamism of being and - being Human.
Ergo, "we are in this together" is not just as addage of cliche, by a dynamical metaphor for our actual existence as 'sub-components' in a larger, determinative system of feeling relaitons.
Other's make us feel happy - and also depressed and suicidal. No one has ever contemplated suicide without having as its source a fundamental depression with being with Other Humans - i.e. consider the (relative) truth of Sartes statement: hell is other people. Hell can only be other people if other people are the source of our heaven.
Fact is - suicide is an aft of control and power: the person wants to assert their egohood - to which they do by denying any relation to the other, and, as you are doing, even denying any structural or energetic relationship between what one person does vs. another person.
A world in which your morality prevails (a completely impossible thing, btw) is a world where suicide triggers suicide after suicide because the people committing suicide are self-righteously convinced in the idea that "we are all in this alone" i.e. not together.
originally posted by: LittleByLittle
I think I will choose Yeshua this time:
Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. "Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.
Sometimes the reason for wanting to leave this place, is the need to be in a place where souls are more logical and aware, since humanity as a whole do not measure up and have not evolved enough.
When a soul pushes suffering and need out it creates a telepathic distress call. I get that a large majority of humans do not have a body calibrated to hear this calls including me. But there are souls that have calibrated their bodies and mind and have this ability that can both be a curse and a blessing.
If humanity evolved to a higher level of awareness there would be more people handling distress calls on this level, so every suicide is humanity collectively failing to evolve humanity to a social and technological level that makes the soul want to stick around on this level and not suffer.
originally posted by: Itisnowagain
It is known deep down that life would be much lighter/ easier if there was an absence of the separate self. It is the separate (false) self that must die.