Reports: Emails Had Nothing to Do With Clinton

originally posted by: Masterjaden
Umm yes, she did... She broke several laws relating to not securing classified data, she broke laws by destroying sepoena'd evidence, and I'm sure she probably broke laws that were in the emails she destroyed that weren't related, otherwise, why destroy sapoena'd evidence???

Jaden

p.s. I know for a fact that she broke laws because they already stated that she had sent emails with removed classified markings and having had a TS/SCI clearance, I know that that IS a crime.

That's why intent is a factor here and why Comey specifically mentioned it. If you're working on a military base and dealing with secure information, or even a contractor you can always do the work in a secure facility or just not do it. That's why they come down hard on people who break classification by removing information, even on accident. In a higher level position though where you're always on call, and especially when you're traveling like most SOS's do, it becomes impossible to follow classification laws. That's why they look at intent.

Hillary has no doubt sent information to unsecure devices, but as a consequence of her job at the time such a thing was unavoidable. The classification system is something of a joke for top level members, and why they had to give the President to classify/declassify anything at will. Doing the job otherwise would be impossible. All this email case has shown is that we probably need to apply the same standard to SOS and likely a few other positions.

a reply to: jimmyx

Wrong, Comey cannot indict ANYONE...only the DOJ can. After the tarmac meeting, it was obvious to anyone that that wouldn't be happening.

Jaden

originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: jimmyx

Wrong, Comey cannot indict ANYONE...only the DOJ can. After the tarmac meeting, it was obvious to anyone that that wouldn't be happening.

Jaden

After the tarmac meeting, Lynch said she wouldn't make the decision and instead said the DoJ would follow the FBI's recommendation. This in effect placed the decision in Comey's hands, and he chose to not indict.

a reply to: AboveBoard

Wrong, they've seen emails.

Here let me describe to you how this would've went down.

They confiscate the devices and start to forensically scrub them first for open emails and then with deleted file recovery software.

They start going through and reading these emails, texts, etc... to see how and in what way they pertain to the case that they are investigating.

As they are doing so, they start to come across other unrelated emails and they DO read them, because they have to, in order to rule them out as being germain to the original investigation.

As they do so, these techs start to realize that they are related to the alternate case (This means there is something in them that is related to it.) They bring this to THEIR superiors and the superiors review them to see if they are indeed pertinent. After determining that they WERE in fact pertinent, they then take them to THEIR supervisor and they eventually get to Comey who after reviewing it decides that (even though it isn't necessary) they should get a warrant to review for specific communications related to Clinton and Huma.

There ABSOLUTELY is going to be more than just emails sent between Huma and Hillary on the devices. There had to be justifiable cause to get the warrant approved.

Jaden

a reply to: Aazadan

If you believe that they would've indicted had Comey recommended it, you are living in a fantasy world.

Jaden

a reply to: Aazadan

Are you insane? Bull#, it doesn't become impossible and the laws don't change for people that are higher up. Laws regarding safeguarding material are the same for everyone read into a program.

LOL... Try learning something before spouting off nonsense.

Jaden

originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: Aazadan

If you believe that they would've indicted had Comey recommended it, you are living in a fantasy world.

Jaden

Do you have any proof they wouldn't?

originally posted by: Masterjaden
Are you insane? Bull#, it doesn't become impossible and the laws don't change for people that are higher up. Laws regarding safeguarding material are the same for everyone read into a program.

The laws do change. Intent becomes a factor because keeping information secure and doing your job become mutually exclusive concepts. I would go a step further and say this is by design, because the government wants somewhat easily accessible security holes to facilitate spying, since spying is crucial for global stability.

a reply to: Aazadan

I would go a step further and say this is by design, because the government wants somewhat easily accessible security holes to facilitate spying, since spying is crucial for global stability.

WOW
treason is no longer treason when hill is involved?

WOW

a reply to: Willtell

You people have poor listening skills...Comey did NOT say he found no crime had been committed. Those of us who have held clearances KNOW that multiple crimes had been committed.

What he had said was that he found no evidence of intent, which wasn't even required for those crimes to have been committed and to be prosecutable.

Jaden

a reply to: AboveBoard

Do you know what a header that says confidential IS???? It WAS classified when that email was sent or it wouldn't have had the classification header...lol..

Jaden

a reply to: Willtell

No, the media made Trump's words a scandal. If he wasn't running against Democrat's right now his comments would have been just another day on the golf course or at the casino; no better yet just another Hip-Hop song. Beyoncé has sung worse. Give me a break. As far as the women that "came forward....." How can anyone actually believe that these women were SO offended and distraught by a multi-millionaire/billionaire/public figure's actions but only saw fit to surface one month before Democrats are threatened by losing power AND being exposed??? Good Lord, Gloria Allred would have taken their cases pro bono - all of them.

This all goes to the character of Hillary's minions and Hillary's judgement itself. She hires someone that keeps over 650,000 emails on a personal laptop and that person turns it over to a known deviant predator who could be blackmailed or worse, sell State Department information to a hostile nation just to get back at Huma.

No matter which way you spin it, Hillary is an irresponsible hack at best.

a reply to: Aazadan

WRONG!!!!!!

That's NOT how it works... To do MY job, I had to regularly scrub data to lower it's classification to brief non-cleared or lesse cleared personnel.

A common classification is NOFORN, which means that no foreign persons are allowed to view it. You don't get to just go ahead tell them because you want them to know. You have to reword the intelligence in a way that lessens its classification.

You can NEVER just remove a classification header and footer (they're required on ALL classified correspondence) and give it to them because you need to...lol

If you have a piece of a document that is shown as thus:

(SECRET/NOFORN) the following data is ..... blah blah blah and relates to this. blah blah blah and was obtained with BLAH BLAH satellite(SECRET/NOFORN).

If the NOFORN portion of that is the satellite type and name you would have to do this...

(SECRET) the following data is ..... blah blah blah and relates to this. blah blah blah and was obtained with unspecified means(SECRET)

Before you could allow ANYONE that is a foreign national to see it. If you just remove the NOFORN part and send it, it IS a crime. I don't care WHO you are, it is STILL A CRIME...

Only the classification authority can lower the information's classification and or deem it to be viewable by foreign nationals.

So I'm sorry but what you're saying here is just COMPLETELY and UTTERLY WRONG!!!!

Jaden

p.s. The classification authority for any classified material is typically the author that deemed its' classification in the first place.

It was fairly common for intel source information to make a confidential or secret document TS or higher...especially when dealing with IMINT or SIGINT or HUMINT....

a reply to: Masterjaden

I think you misunderstood me, and intent is a factor for high level positions. Intent isn't a factor for your job, but it is for some others.

a reply to: Aazadan

For intent to be a factor, it has to be listed as a factor under the statute. I had to memorize and was constantly tested on the classified information rules and regulations and believe me, it is the exact same for EVERYONE. Even the DCI cannot just haphazardly remove classifications and give it to people.

He has to document that it was lowered and or read the people he deems to have a need to know into the program that has access to it.

There are levels of classification that have one line of text per page because the footers and headers have so many prerequisite programs in order to have access to it and they ALL have to be listed in the headers and footers of every page.

Jaden

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: SgtHamsandwich

It's the daily beast.

I understand not wanting to source that.

Perhaps Fox News will help you then?

Anonymous sources report that there is no evidence that the newly discovered emails on the computer involve Clinton.

www.foxnews.com...

BREAKNG NEWS! THIS IS YUGE! TRUMP CAMPAIGN IN PANIC! INCREDIBLE HYPOCRISY REVEALED! TRUMP IS FINISHED!

Forgive me for using above the hyperbolic conventions of the Alt-right. I couldn't resist.

DONALD TRUMP’S COMPANIES DESTROYED EMAILS IN DEFIANCE OF COURT ORDERS

Over the course of decades, Donald Trump’s companies have systematically destroyed or hidden thousands of emails, digital records and paper documents demanded in official proceedings, often in defiance of court orders. These tactics—exposed by a Newsweek review of thousands of pages of court filings, judicial orders and affidavits from an array of court cases—have enraged judges, prosecutors, opposing lawyers and the many ordinary citizens entangled in litigation with Trump. In each instance, Trump and entities he controlled also erected numerous hurdles that made lawsuits drag on for years, forcing courtroom opponents to spend huge sums of money in legal fees as they struggled—sometimes in vain—to obtain records.

Please, explain this away merry Trumpsters. It seems to me that what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

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And then there is this:

Memo to the Press: What Comey's Letter Does and Doesn't Mean

Benjamin Wittes is editor in chief of Lawfare and a Senior Fellow in Governance Studies at the Brookings Institution. He is the author of several books and is co-chair of the Hoover Institution's Working Group on National Security, Technology, and Law. He makes the following point:

When the FBI wants to say it is reopening an investigation, it knows perfectly well how to say that. In this case, the investigation was actually never formally closed, so it doesn't need to be reopened. The relevance of this letter is thus likely not that some explosive new evidence of Clinton criminality has suddenly emerged. It is, rather, that Comey made a set of representations to Congress that have been complicated by new information, apparently from the Anthony Weiner sexting case. So he's informing Congress of that fact before the election.

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And now this:

A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump

Mother Jones has reviewed that report and other memos this former spy wrote. The first memo, based on the former intelligence officer's conversations with Russian sources, noted, "Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting and assisting TRUMP for at least 5 years. Aim, endorsed by PUTIN, has been to encourage splits and divisions in western alliance." It maintained that Trump "and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his Democratic and other political rivals." It claimed that Russian intelligence had "compromised" Trump during his visits to Moscow and could "blackmail him." It also reported that Russian intelligence had compiled a dossier on Hillary Clinton based on "bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia and intercepted phone calls."

I'm sure it's all just a conspiracy amongst the lamestream media and their, you know, credentialed journalists to help Shillary.

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One HAS to ask. "How much did Trump have to pay Comey to get him to dredge up this dead and buried horse."

a reply to: Willtell

How about he was just doing his job!! What if what the FBI discovered is bigger than this election??? What if what they discovered is going to have a GLOBAL impact!!! Maybe he is trying to protect you and me and every damn American here!!!

Think about that.....Comey was forced Not to press charges!!! Hillary Clinton sold, or gave away CLASSIFIED and TOP SECRET INFORMATION!!!!! She knew what she was doing and even if she didn't she broke the law! There does not have to be INTENT!!!

Pax

a reply to: Masterjaden

I find it odd that you would give this much detail about how classified information is structured, adhered to and traced if you are indeed giving us information about how you did your job.