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originally posted by: tigertatzen
a reply to: Caver78
That's the problem with social media...it's a constant struggle to discern what is true and what is hyperbolic bullsh!t. It speaks volumes about how willing people are to believe something just because it was shared by a friend or family member.
It's great that they do corrections, but most people are still going to roll their eyes and scroll past anything that cannot be verified with a search. Putting serious allegations like this on facebook, with not one whisper about it on any media outlet, is guaranteed to be dismissed as nonsense. Essentially, if there really is a cover-up going on, these people are actually facilitating it by taking the social media route; undermining their own credibility and weakening their position.
I am appalled at the behavior from both sides of this battle, to be honest. The footage that I've seen does not support the claim that this is a peaceful protest. Where is the honor in throwing trash and feces at law enforcement, in stooping to their level? How is that peaceful? I fully support their reasons for protesting, but behavior like that should be beneath these people. And when this thing goes completely sideways...and it will...that's the behavior that the American public will remember. That is the way the rest of the country will see all of our people; a bunch of unruly heathens who stand around and throw sh!t at people when they don't get what they want.
originally posted by: stolencar18
a reply to: TheFlyOnTheWall
I'll start with this...I have great respect for the Native Americans (and Canadians) who have been affected by the energy industry. I also know that the vast majority of these natives have profited from the energy industry,
But...having said that, I live and work in one of the most active energy areas in North America (Alberta, Canada) and definitely the most hated on energy producing area globally. We jump through hoops that other jurisdictions can't imagine, except maybe Northern BC, Canada. We get groups of these natives up here who send one brother out to protest and another brother out to collect money from the oil companies directly, and the 3rd brother to work on the pipeline or the rig to support the family. They're dishonest and they play it every way they can. They lie about things up here, all the time. They stand in the highways blocking oilfield transportation vehicles while running their own tribe-owned oil company that sits on one of the richest oil reserves in the area. They only hate on oil when the white men are taking it out of the ground. They're more than happy to sell you their oil though.
Call me a racist, but this is the world I live in. They'll say anything to make themselves look like victims.
Oh and one more thing...I challenge every single one of these anti-energy industry protesters to live a week or two on a rig or pipeline construction job. The safety regulations, especially in Canada, are second to none. You can't spill coffee on the ground without a cleanup plan and a soil analysis. When leaks happen, they'll tear down entire facilities - even gas stations in the middle of cities (I can give you street view addresses if you'd like) and the plot of land will sit fenced off, and every couple years they'll come in and aerate the soil by digging it up, moving it around in piles with a hoe, and then re-leveling it. In the forested areas its much more stringent. These brickheads should go protest industries that are true polluters.