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The Unjustified Hatred of Donald Trump

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posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 07:17 PM
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a reply to: daskakik




It is an undeniable fact about this communication medium. You just said "That's wrong again, because as I just said, I was using principles."

Yeah right, you are such a neutral participant that we just have to accept that because you say so.


You could use the same principles and we'd be on an even playing field. But solipsisum, feelings, and a denial of principles seems to be your modus operandi




posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 07:27 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

You misunderstand, I never said I don't use them , I said you are using them wrong.

You disagree and think I am using them wrong or not using them at all.

All just opinions and even if it was a debate there is nothing to keep either of us, or both of us, from saying "no, you are using them wrong".

What validates your claim that "That's wrong again, because as I just said, I was using principles." ?

The answer is, nothing. That is what I'm taking away from this thread.



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posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 07:29 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: TzarChasm




Have you seen the john oliver breakdown of trump's sterling character and impeccable business practices?


I have, yes. He tends to leave out information proving the contrary.


What information would this be? I imagine it would be a great relief to the forum if something substantial came to light proving trump to be as upstanding and honorable as he claims. More to the point, every unsavory detail in those videos can be confirmed. That is to say, even if he didn't share all of the relevant facts, what he has shared is factual. I'm curious how you find yourself able to shrug such information off so easily.
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posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 07:46 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

There is a theory, argued by Jonathan Haidt, that people form opinions very quickly, that they do so based on emotions/intuition, and that most often and for most people logic/reason/critical thinking are used primarily to fortify/defend those initial; emotionally/intuitively arrived at opinions, rather than to objectively evaluate them. The reason being, (for reaching strong initial opinions through emotion/intuition), is that we're genetically prone to do so. In brief, Haidt believes that intuition/emotion come first and most strongly in the decision making process because, in the past the sort of judgements, the most important ones, that needed to be made needed to be made quickly and logic/reason/critical thinking were just too slow, while intuition/emotion are much faster.

I think Hume also wrote that, ". . . reason is a slave to the passions"

So when you write:



. . . but it hardly applies when the emotions overrides reason


I think you're describing the norm; "that emotion overrides reason", not the ideal, but the default for most people most of the time, a situation only overcome rarely and that with great and thoughtful effort.

Overcoming this propensity, I would imagine, requires first acknowledging that it exists and that it exists in the "self" trying to over come it. But most people, for reasons I can only guess at, are loath to admit that their opinions/choices/positions are reached by any means other than sound logic and critical thinking. Hence, again I imagine, the propensity for people to remain a slave to this phenomenon.

So, when you ask:



Don’t you wonder why they are doing this, or worse, why you are inured to it?


I'd say its because they haven't managed to overcome their baser natures. And in fairness, I see this failure on both sides of the political divide, and I don't see it as limited to this election cycle.




















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posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 07:48 PM
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posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 07:49 PM
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originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: TzarChasm




Have you seen the john oliver breakdown of trump's sterling character and impeccable business practices?


I have, yes. He tends to leave out information proving the contrary.


What information would this be? I imagine it would be a great relief to the forum if something substantial came to light proving trump to be as upstanding and honorable as he claims. More to the point, every unsavory detail in those videos can be confirmed. That is to say, even if he didn't share all of the relevant facts, what he has shared is factual. I'm curious how you find yourself able to shrug such information off so easily.


Love you!!!




posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: TzarChasm




Have you seen the john oliver breakdown of trump's sterling character and impeccable business practices?


I have, yes. He tends to leave out information proving the contrary.


What information would this be? I imagine it would be a great relief to the forum if something substantial came to light proving trump to be as upstanding and honorable as he claims. More to the point, every unsavory detail in those videos can be confirmed. That is to say, even if he didn't share all of the relevant facts, what he has shared is factual. I'm curious how you find yourself able to shrug such information off so easily.


Love you!!!





Back at you, buzzy.



posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 08:23 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope


But solipsisum,


focus on oneself (except you spelled it wrong: SOLIPSISM )


feelings,
emotions one feels inside of oneself


and a denial of principles

has nothing to do with it


seems to be your modus operandi



You really aren't a very good 'guesser.' "Seems to be." LOL!!!!!


edit on 11/1/2016 by BuzzyWigs because: snorty giggles......



posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 08:30 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

NOT any guessing...BY THEIR ACTS shall you know them remember?
en.alalam.ir...
"Several US-made missiles were found in al-Shoura region to the South of Mosul," a local source said on Monday.
The Iraqi army and popular forces had found US-made missiles in Anbar province several times before.
Provincial officials confirmed that the US-made weapons were sent by the US-led anti-ISIL coalition airplane for the ISIL terrorists in Anbar province.
Meantime, Iraqi security officials announced that the ISIL has sent US-made military equipment to Tal Afar region in the last two days to stand strong against Iraqi popular forces' impending attack to capture the region.
"The ISIL terrorists have sent US-made TOW anti-tank missiles to Tal Afar and it is quite evident that they are preparing for a long-term war," the Arabic-language media quoted an Iraqi security official as saying on Monday.
In late August 2015, a senior Iraqi intelligence official revealed that the US helicopters drop weapons and other aids for the ISIL terrorists in the Western province of al-Anbar.
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posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 08:30 PM
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a reply to: daskakik


That is what I'm taking away from this thread.

Me, too. And I just got here!



posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 08:35 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

NOT any guessing...BY THEIR ACTS shall you know them remember?
en.alalam.ir...
"Several US-made missiles were found in al-Shoura region to the South of Mosul," a local source said on Monday.
The Iraqi army and popular forces had found US-made missiles in Anbar province several times before.
Provincial officials confirmed that the US-made weapons were sent by the US-led anti-ISIL coalition airplane for the ISIL terrorists in Anbar province.
Meantime, Iraqi security officials announced that the ISIL has sent US-made military equipment to Tal Afar region in the last two days to stand strong against Iraqi popular forces' impending attack to capture the region.
"The ISIL terrorists have sent US-made TOW anti-tank missiles to Tal Afar and it is quite evident that they are preparing for a long-term war," the Arabic-language media quoted an Iraqi security official as saying on Monday.
In late August 2015, a senior Iraqi intelligence official revealed that the US helicopters drop weapons and other aids for the ISIL terrorists in the Western province of al-Anbar.


Yes, I remember. Lots of acts. Lots of violence and hatred and aggression and combative confrontation. Lots of ugliness and name-calling and flame-throwing and insulting.

Lots of crying and running away and desperation. Lots of little kids with no way to process all of this, who will be screwed up for life.




I just don't think this is okay. In fact, I'm sure it IS NOT OKAY.

These pictures....real life. NOT OKAY.

If anyone else thinks this is okay, please say so now, OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE.



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posted on Nov, 1 2016 @ 09:03 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

ODD you should SAY that .
IT IS an ESTABLISHMENT effort in it's ENTIRETY isn't it?
Divide and conquer since Vietnam?



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 07:27 PM
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What information would this be? I imagine it would be a great relief to the forum if something substantial came to light proving trump to be as upstanding and honorable as he claims. More to the point, every unsavory detail in those videos can be confirmed. That is to say, even if he didn't share all of the relevant facts, what he has shared is factual. I'm curious how you find yourself able to shrug such information off so easily.


Anything that puts Trump in a favorable light tends to be missing, while the unsavory details are over-emphasized, even if they are not criminal nor morally reprehensible.



posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 08:11 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: TzarChasm




What information would this be? I imagine it would be a great relief to the forum if something substantial came to light proving trump to be as upstanding and honorable as he claims. More to the point, every unsavory detail in those videos can be confirmed. That is to say, even if he didn't share all of the relevant facts, what he has shared is factual. I'm curious how you find yourself able to shrug such information off so easily.


Anything that puts Trump in a favorable light tends to be missing, while the unsavory details are over-emphasized, even if they are not criminal nor morally reprehensible.


Some specifics would be appreciated. I'm at a bit of a loss where his charming qualities are concerned, to be honest. Maybe you see something I don't, other than his skill in tricking gullible people out of their money and the ease with which he keeps questionable company and his friendly disposition toward minorities and the fairer sex. I'm willing to be educated in these matters.
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posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 09:14 PM
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I refuse to educate, but I'll give some examples.

I don't find Trump charming either. I find him hilarious, however, and a good sense of humor is important in my opinion.

But for instance in regards to his treatment of women, he employed women, one of which was the first woman to oversee the building of a skyscraper, in top executive positions back when there was a glass ceiling. He just happens to like the female form as well.

As for the company he keeps, who would that be? Martha Stewart? Regis Philbman? Mike Tyson?

Admittedly he is a business shark, but his success at it is a reflection of his skill, not his failures.

Trump doesn't care about one's minority status. He cares about merit. He has friends in all shapes and colours. The problem is, the media and intelligentsia has framed the discussion by defining the terms of it, and Trump must speak in their terms, using the language of racialism and ethnocentrism that is a common property of the discourse. He's not good at using those terms, simply because he doesn't think in those terms, unlike the racialists who dwell upon such matters. He is the epitome of the New York style—he wouldn't be where he was today if he held racial opinions. He was awarded by the Rainbow coalition, and has won the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.

Either way, I suggest you hear his side of the story as well. Breaking contracts is a civil wrong, and subject to suing. Maybe the "gullible" didn't hold up their end of the bargain.
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posted on Nov, 2 2016 @ 10:49 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: TzarChasm

I refuse to educate, but I'll give some examples.

I don't find Trump charming either. I find him hilarious, however, and a good sense of humor is important in my opinion.

But for instance in regards to his treatment of women, he employed women, one of which was the first woman to oversee the building of a skyscraper, in top executive positions back when there was a glass ceiling. He just happens to like the female form as well.

As for the company he keeps, who would that be? Martha Stewart? Regis Philbman? Mike Tyson?

Admittedly he is a business shark, but his success at it is a reflection of his skill, not his failures.

Trump doesn't care about one's minority status. He cares about merit. He has friends in all shapes and colours. The problem is, the media and intelligentsia has framed the discussion by defining the terms of it, and Trump must speak in their terms, using the language of racialism and ethnocentrism that is a common property of the discourse. He's not good at using those terms, simply because he doesn't think in those terms, unlike the racialists who dwell upon such matters. He is the epitome of the New York style—he wouldn't be where he was today if he held racial opinions. He was awarded by the Rainbow coalition, and has won the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.

Either way, I suggest you hear his side of the story as well. Breaking contracts is a civil wrong, and subject to suing. Maybe the "gullible" didn't hold up their end of the bargain.


I've more than heard his side of the story. Can't get away from it, in fact. He and she are everywhere, which has the effect of dulling my interest in either of them. However, I'm less impressed with the orange lord than I am with the former first lady. The problem, as you have pointed out, is how he thinks. It scares me because he is accustomed to dealing almost exclusively with money and those whose values are firmly entrenched in it. Americans are not dollar bills, so I have trouble believing he can relate to anyone on a level deeper than their bank accounts. He may be a savvy businessman, but I don't think that's the most important facet of being commander in chief. Just my opinion. I do find it unfortunate that you are unwilling to educate the willing in this subject, as there are a few who seem to be in need of your eloquence and acuity. Its becoming ever more rare to have a reasoned exchange while discussing the candidates.



posted on Nov, 3 2016 @ 12:47 AM
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People who can't see when they are wrong...narcissistic that is with a dash of delusional grandeur I think.



posted on Nov, 3 2016 @ 08:14 AM
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originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: TzarChasm

I refuse to educate, but I'll give some examples.

I don't find Trump charming either. I find him hilarious, however, and a good sense of humor is important in my opinion.

But for instance in regards to his treatment of women, he employed women, one of which was the first woman to oversee the building of a skyscraper, in top executive positions back when there was a glass ceiling. He just happens to like the female form as well.

As for the company he keeps, who would that be? Martha Stewart? Regis Philbman? Mike Tyson?

Admittedly he is a business shark, but his success at it is a reflection of his skill, not his failures.

Trump doesn't care about one's minority status. He cares about merit. He has friends in all shapes and colours. The problem is, the media and intelligentsia has framed the discussion by defining the terms of it, and Trump must speak in their terms, using the language of racialism and ethnocentrism that is a common property of the discourse. He's not good at using those terms, simply because he doesn't think in those terms, unlike the racialists who dwell upon such matters. He is the epitome of the New York style—he wouldn't be where he was today if he held racial opinions. He was awarded by the Rainbow coalition, and has won the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.

Either way, I suggest you hear his side of the story as well. Breaking contracts is a civil wrong, and subject to suing. Maybe the "gullible" didn't hold up their end of the bargain.


I've more than heard his side of the story. Can't get away from it, in fact. He and she are everywhere, which has the effect of dulling my interest in either of them. However, I'm less impressed with the orange lord than I am with the former first lady. The problem, as you have pointed out, is how he thinks. It scares me because he is accustomed to dealing almost exclusively with money and those whose values are firmly entrenched in it. Americans are not dollar bills, so I have trouble believing he can relate to anyone on a level deeper than their bank accounts. He may be a savvy businessman, but I don't think that's the most important facet of being commander in chief. Just my opinion. I do find it unfortunate that you are unwilling to educate the willing in this subject, as there are a few who seem to be in need of your eloquence and acuity. Its becoming ever more rare to have a reasoned exchange while discussing the candidates.



Now get a load of this. It will help educate the willing:







FF Von Clownstick, The Tangerine Generalissimo. Great great grandson of Don Quixote.

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posted on Nov, 3 2016 @ 08:21 AM
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posted on Nov, 3 2016 @ 09:05 AM
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The problem is, as I have stated, is others telling us what to think, to the point where we are no more than the vectors of someone else's propaganda. I will defend Trump and any heretic from the unscrupulous mob, but I will not campaign for him.

If you've heard his side of the story from a media that offers 90% of his coverage as negative, I might have a good idea why you're less impressed. Imagine if someone like John Oliver, who uses a staff of researchers and writers, wrote a balanced piece. I wager you'd be singing a different tune.



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