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The Unjustified Hatred of Donald Trump

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posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 02:56 PM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

No, they are things that actually happened, things his businesses do to make him rich as living hell, off the backs of those beneath him, and at the expense of solidarity with the people of the nation in which he lives.

What's his side of the story on overseas workers? You tell me how his employing people to make his clothing lines and other products, abroad, is justified by the Donald? Exceptionalism might account for it, but that is a defunct approach.

Putting his name to projects that are bound to go belly up, so investors will flock, then backing out himself before the whole thing blows up in the face of the actual property developer. Strong arming people out of their homes so that casinos which will eventually fail, can be built. Cutting off an old Scotswomans water by breaking pipes leading to her home, so that she is forced to collect water from a local stream in order to keep living in her house, which his golf course and hotel complex want to purchase.

Tell me, how are these things not bad business? How are they justified according to the Donald?

It's bull, you know it as well as I do.


Of all trump's businesses some have gone belly up (actually a small percent).
He has made a fortune and been successful.
Of course it was off the backs of others - which is literally the case in the construction business.

As for the cutting off the water to a Scottish person - I smell a media story that you are parroting. What's the full story with this and your other accusations? Have you bothered to look at both sides and the whole story, or are you just repeating tabloid gossip?

You seem to want someone to have lived a perfect life in order for them to be genuine in their aim. I doubt you will find anyone. Ever. Least of all John Smith down the road who's one of the guys.

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posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 02:58 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I knew you would just ignore or dismiss it.

Tu quoque is about personal actions and I'm talking about plain logic. If X = unjust and X = Y then Y = unjust.

At lest you stopped trying to play it off as a joke. That was sad.



posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

I get it now. You think ire and hatred mean the same or are synonymous. That is not the case. Sad indeed.



posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Not really but in these two cases they are emotions based on incomplete information which makes both unjustified.

Nice try, though.



posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I stumbled across a 17th century quote form a comedy that reminded me of Trump..

Can you place it for me?...



“You may plainly perceive the traitor through his mask; he is well known every-where in his true colors; his rolling eyes and his honeyed tones impose only on those who do not know him.

People are aware that this low-bred fellow, who deserves to be pilloried, has, by the dirtiest jobs, made his way in the world; and that the splendid position he has acquired makes merit repine and virtue blush.

Yet whatever dishonourable epithets may be launched against him everywhere, nobody defends his wretched honour.

Call him a rogue, an infamous wretch, a confounded scoundrel if you like, all the world will say “yea, ” and no one contradicts you.

But for all that, his bowing and scraping are welcome everywhere; he is received, smiled upon, and wriggles himself into all kinds of society; and, if any appointment is to be secured by intriguing, he will carry the day over a man of the greatest worth



posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Not really but in these two cases they are emotions based on incomplete information which makes both unjustified.

Nice try, though.


Hatred and ire are quite different. Yes, the unfair treatment of someone deserves anger. Does it deserve hatred? No, and I never stated otherwise.

Nice try.



posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

Look at you go. I'm sure you know the answer.



posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 03:29 PM
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posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 03:31 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Indigo5




How strange that you seek to make any conclusions about someone's character or mental fitness etc. contingent on personally meeting them.

Would that not make electing Presidents a tad difficult? The requirement we meet personally before concluding anything?

All we know of Trump is what Trump shares in interviews, speeches and print...and he has shared an unprecedented amount with us in those forms...and for the express purpose so that we could reach conclusions.

This kind of desperate defense...don't judge him by what he says or does..don't judge him by his words, speeches or interviews...don't judge him at all unless you have met him???

That is what being a Trump supporter has left you with in your arsenal?

You haven't met him...so all conclusions are invalid?


Speaking in questions again? Of course, another straw-man.


The quote was from Les Misanthrope....the play..by Les Misanthrope..the character..

A poor attempt at interjecting amusement into an otherwise base display in defense of the angry oompa loompa.
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posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 03:35 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Oh really? The pipe was fixed was it? So it is not broken, four years later after several flat refusals on the part of Trumps people to repair it? Ok... I suppose you think I might have gotten contrary information from some left wing rag, some hippy loving liberal media source eh?

Hmmm, well around here, we call them the Daily Hate..

www.dailymail.co.uk...

The most right wing news media organisation you can read, without falling all the way off into jackboots and the smell of burning flesh.

And as for Mr Trump not being able to afford to make ties in the US...that is the most utterly ridiculous statement I have ever heard. Frankly speaking, I think you need to do your homework better sir, because it is perfectly possible for a billionaire to get a tie made in the US, either for himself, or for a long list of clients. It just costs some more money, and each item has a higher dollar value, which covers the cost entirely. But that is basic economics for you, something I do not expect a fan of capitalism to really pay that much attention to.

Put another way, if he could bankrupt himself with a tie business using all American workers, then he is not much of a businessman.



posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 03:39 PM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Oh really? The pipe was fixed was it? So it is not broken, four years later after several flat refusals on the part of Trumps people to repair it? Ok... I suppose you think I might have gotten contrary information from some left wing rag, some hippy loving liberal media source eh?

Hmmm, well around here, we call them the Daily Hate..

www.dailymail.co.uk...

The most right wing news media organisation you can read, without falling all the way off into jackboots and the smell of burning flesh.

And as for Mr Trump not being able to afford to make ties in the US...that is the most utterly ridiculous statement I have ever heard. Frankly speaking, I think you need to do your homework better sir, because it is perfectly possible for a billionaire to get a tie made in the US, either for himself, or for a long list of clients. It just costs some more money, and each item has a higher dollar value, which covers the cost entirely. But that is basic economics for you, something I do not expect a fan of capitalism to really pay that much attention to.

Put another way, if he could bankrupt himself with a tie business using all American workers, then he is not much of a businessman.



Mrs Forbes says she has been subjected to an appalling campaign of intimidation, which allegedly includes cutting off the water supply to her property, floodlighting her bedroom window at night so she cannot sleep and building a massive wall against her property.

She also claims security guards have tried to intimidate her by appearing at all hours of the day and night. Despite all this, she is determined not to be driven out.


Sounds like a lot of claims without any substance. Sounds like this woman is actually seeing things that are not really happening, like complaining about lights from a golf course and blaming someone for doing on purpose. Do you have any actual evidence of wrong doing ordered by Trump or are you just repeating a story without doing any research?



posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Indigo5




How strange that you seek to make any conclusions about someone's character or mental fitness etc. contingent on personally meeting them.

Would that not make electing Presidents a tad difficult? The requirement we meet personally before concluding anything?

All we know of Trump is what Trump shares in interviews, speeches and print...and he has shared an unprecedented amount with us in those forms...and for the express purpose so that we could reach conclusions.

This kind of desperate defense...don't judge him by what he says or does..don't judge him by his words, speeches or interviews...don't judge him at all unless you have met him???

That is what being a Trump supporter has left you with in your arsenal?

You haven't met him...so all conclusions are invalid?


Speaking in questions again? Of course, another straw-man.


The quote was from Les Misanthrope....the play..by Les Misanthrope..the character..

A poor attempt at interjecting amusement into an otherwise base display in defense of the angry oompa loompa.


It was pretty poor.



posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Well I am sorry for having standards friend, but these are people who are supposed to lead a country. You lead with the best person, not the most successful, not the most deadly, not the most foolhardy, but the best person you have.

Dedication to the people, to the principle behind the law, to the justice it serves, to the compassion that informs all noble actions, dedication to righteous intent winning out over evil machination, these are qualities leaders of nations ought to possess, because it is these that are held by the innocent and the decent amongst a population, who quietly outnumber the rest by millions.



posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Different in definition but equally unjustified in both of these cases.

Unfair treatment in your opinion. Sorry but you are not that objective .
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posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

No, they are things that actually happened, things his businesses do to make him rich as living hell, off the backs of those beneath him, and at the expense of solidarity with the people of the nation in which he lives.

What's his side of the story on overseas workers? You tell me how his employing people to make his clothing lines and other products, abroad, is justified by the Donald? Exceptionalism might account for it, but that is a defunct approach.

Putting his name to projects that are bound to go belly up, so investors will flock, then backing out himself before the whole thing blows up in the face of the actual property developer. Strong arming people out of their homes so that casinos which will eventually fail, can be built. Cutting off an old Scotswomans water by breaking pipes leading to her home, so that she is forced to collect water from a local stream in order to keep living in her house, which his golf course and hotel complex want to purchase.

Tell me, how are these things not bad business? How are they justified according to the Donald?

It's bull, you know it as well as I do.


Of all trump's businesses some have gone belly up (actually a small percent).


All...apart from real estate where he could not liquidate it quickly enough and survived through that inconvenience, not intent.



He has made a fortune and been successful.



His current fortune is one part debt and loans and one part spoils from exploiting bankruptcy laws.


Granted...he has done it on a larger scale than the average fraud, so I give him credit for the magnitude of his thievery, the same way Bernie Madoff earned respect before exposed.




As for the cutting off the water to a Scottish person - I smell a media story that you are parroting.



The Scots hate Trump and rightly so.


Why Some People in Scotland Really Hate Donald Trump



posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 03:45 PM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

There are two sides to every story, Truebrit. If someone accused you of something, and no one listened to your side of the story, is that justice or injustice?

You've found one or two out of the thousands to support your conclusions, all of it derived from the media, zero benefit of the doubt, zero presumption of innocence, while the rest is suspiciously missing.



posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 03:45 PM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: UKTruth

Well I am sorry for having standards friend, but these are people who are supposed to lead a country. You lead with the best person, not the most successful, not the most deadly, not the most foolhardy, but the best person you have.

Dedication to the people, to the principle behind the law, to the justice it serves, to the compassion that informs all noble actions, dedication to righteous intent winning out over evil machination, these are qualities leaders of nations ought to possess, because it is these that are held by the innocent and the decent amongst a population, who quietly outnumber the rest by millions.


Don't get me wrong, I sort of agree with you. Neither Trump or Hillary Clinton should be anywhere near becoming the leader of the free world, but we are where we are. I do think you are being too idealistic and unrealistic. There is no perfect person and anyone with the levels of integrity you demand is unlikely to ever want to be a politician.



posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
The Unjustified Hatred of Donald Trump

I get a kick out of people who display their hatred of Donald Trump—name-calling, dehumanization, body shaming, Hitler comparisons, threats of violence, the burning of effigies, and other insults—not only because it is without warrant, but also because it is a sign of the most rapacious group-think and propaganda.

I wonder if Trump has personally done anything to these people. The answer is almost certainly a “no”. They have never met the man, never talked to him, and thus, their hatred is not derived from any personal experience. One might expect that people would withhold judgement until they themselves had access to all the information, but that is asking too much for those emotionally invested in party and politics, as all the information seems to be the last of their concerns.

Margaret Hamilton, who played one of the greatest villains as the Wicked Witch of the West in The Wizard of Oz, struck fear into children even when off-screen, without costume, and in person. Hamilton’s own fear of what the famous witch might do to her reputation was realized. Instead of mirth, the children were left in fits of terror. “Why were you so mean to Dorothy?” children were prone to ask. The irony was, that in every day life, Margaret Hamilton was a warm and lovely woman, and a life-long advocate for children.

In a similar way, Donald Trump has spent his entire campaign advocating for Americans. But “Why are you so mean to Mexicans? Why are you so mean to women? Why are so mean to Muslims?” children are prone to ask. Without any mention, consideration, or even acceptance of any evidence to the contrary, we find that whatever portrayal is given on screen has filled in the blanks of even the most scrupulous among us.

According to the conservative Media Research Center, 91% of all media coverage was hostile to Donald Trump. Given the lack of experiential information in the average citizen, in combination with the coverage hitherto delivered by the media, I think it is safe to conclude that the hatred, fear and the resultant dogma (and in some cases, the nightmares of children), was derived from a one-sided screen portrayal, and not from any reasonable consideration of any real individual.

The old platitude “there are two sides to every story” is a necessary truism, but it hardly applies when the emotions overrides reason. Indeed, Trump has said some things that might offend those susceptible to their emotions, and we’ve seen these statements, as quote-mined and misrepresented as the were, repeated and recapitulated by the bleating voice of an equally offended and overly payed pundit, whom has no doubt framed them in the way of his choosing. But we were never given statements nor behaviours that express the exact opposite. This is not only the suppression of counter evidence, but is fallacious card-stacking par excellence.

Don’t you wonder why they are doing this, or worse, why you are inured to it? Because upon looking, listening, and accepting both sides of the story, every media narrative in regards to Trump is falsified given sufficient evidence.

He never pays taxes, he is a misogynist, he hates Mexicans, he hates Muslims, he hates immigrants, he is “unpresidential”, he is “literally Hitler”, he is a bad businessman, he is a nuclear threat, he is a sexual predator, he cares only about himself—none of it stands up to scrutiny, none of it beyond the standard of a reasonable doubt, and all of it generated by piss-poor journalism, and adhered to by the most obsequious followers, all of whom are the ones deserving of our ire.

Thank you for reading,

LesMis











I see the Trump victims are in full force today. 'Why don't you mean people like Trump?! You must be an idiot!'. My word, stop whining.

Oh, and have YOU ever met Clinton? No? She ever done anything to injure you? No? Then you're not only a victim, but a hypocritical one at that.



posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 03:47 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

This is entirely in keeping with prior behaviour on the part of Trumps firms.

He built one of his casinos on land he pushed some elderly people off in the states. This sort of thing... It's absolutely his style. I will grant you, I have not spent money I have not got, to get up to Scotland to examine the pipe for myself, or taste the ladies tap water. You are in the UK as well though are you not? Since you support the bigwig, why don't you spend your hard earned (I'm sure) money to go and prove me and the Daily Mail of all things, wrong about the Republican candidate!

The irony of this is intense.



posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Indigo5




How strange that you seek to make any conclusions about someone's character or mental fitness etc. contingent on personally meeting them.

Would that not make electing Presidents a tad difficult? The requirement we meet personally before concluding anything?

All we know of Trump is what Trump shares in interviews, speeches and print...and he has shared an unprecedented amount with us in those forms...and for the express purpose so that we could reach conclusions.

This kind of desperate defense...don't judge him by what he says or does..don't judge him by his words, speeches or interviews...don't judge him at all unless you have met him???

That is what being a Trump supporter has left you with in your arsenal?

You haven't met him...so all conclusions are invalid?


Speaking in questions again? Of course, another straw-man.


The quote was from Les Misanthrope....the play..by Les Misanthrope..the character..

A poor attempt at interjecting amusement into an otherwise base display in defense of the angry oompa loompa.


It was pretty poor.


Oh les...I do sympathize...It is one thing to lose a just battle...It is entirely another to battle for a cause you know to be odious by which you lose either way, but more so if you win.

Find a way to be good to yourself.



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