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Forget Wikileaks...this is the real October Surprise that is going to stop Hillary

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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 10:14 PM
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originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: kruphix

You couldn't be more wrong. I get my insurance through my company and my premiums have gone up 300% since ACA took effect and my open enrollment for next year starts Monday. We will see how much it goes up again.

The majority of employers only PARTIALLY pay premiums.

Premiums aren't the only issue. I can't get a 1500 family deductible anymore. It got killed last year. This past year it was 3000 family deductible. I went from 5k maximum out of pocket to 12.5k maximum out of pocket.

You seem very ignorant of how insurance works in the country. I'm guessing you are either young and on your parents plan, you don't have insurance at all, or you have a very cheap single plan with a high deductible and never use it.


I'm not saying it isn't happening, I'm saying it is your employer that is screwing you over. If you don't like it, you and your fellow employees should get together and speak out against that. If only there were organizations around that gave a voice to the workers???

I don't care what you think of me or what insurance I have. But if you want to know, I'm self employed and have a very good family coverage health insurance policy. I don't buy it on the exchange, I buy it directly to from the health insurance company.

If you don't like your situation, change it...don't cry about it online.


You are not correct about employer's plans. I happen to be in a position where I know how much my employer pays. Their rates have been going up astronomically since Obamacare. They still cover the major portion of the cost, and yet our copays go up drastically as well.

The rising costs are enough to drive companies out of business. Premiums cut into our wages not only with the copays and higher deductibles, but because employers can not pay as much because so much goes towards insurance costs.

Employers count the cost of an employee as wages + benefits. When benefits go up, wages go down. It also makes them think twice before hiring new people and expanding the work force. This hurts our entire economy.




posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 10:26 PM
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originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: kruphix

My company isn't screwing me, in fact they offer me the best deal I can get.

I think you are lying about your plan and your first post in this thread shows you know nothing about the insurance problems the US is having right now. Even Hilary disagrees with you.


Yes, your company is screwing you, you can deny it...but it's the truth.

I never denied there is a problem in the exchanges. In fact, in many threads I have stated that this was completely expected...even by Obama and the democrats. This is all being caused by the Republicans blocking the Public Option in the ACA. Eventually, the public option will have to be put in or just go straight to single payer. But since the Republicans wanted to block it, we had to pass the ACA as it is now and let it do exactly what it is doing know without the Public Option.

You see, sometimes people are too stubborn/ignorant to know what is good for them...so you have to let them suffer through their own decisions...even if you know it will be bad for them.



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 10:27 PM
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a reply to: Greggers

So you don't understand how taxes work. Noted. Trumps 95 tax return does not indicate he does not pay taxes.

Trump had also never claimed bankruptcy. Do you have any other baseless statements you want to make?



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 10:28 PM
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a reply to: kruphix

So you are definitely lying about your plan. Which is it? You can't claim that the republicans ruined insurance by blocking the public option and then also claim you have an amazing cheap plan..
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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 10:28 PM
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originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: mobiusmale

Most people get their insurance through their work, the next largest segment has Medicare/Medicaid. Those that get their insurance through the exchanges, not all of them are experiencing a large premium hike.

Actually, medicare premiums are going up for new recipients of Medicare for 2017.

And just as premiums go up...the cost of actual health care also rises.....from appointments, to tests, to drugs.
All the result of ACA...and the inability of government to rein in healthcare costs and torts.



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 10:29 PM
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a reply to: BlueAjah




This hurts our entire economy.


And yet...corporate profits are up...CEO salary and bonuses are up...the stock market is up (directly related to corporate profits).

Hmmmm...if this is hurting corporations so badly...how are they making record profits???



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 10:33 PM
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originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: kruphix

So you are definitely lying about your plan. Which is it? You can't claim that the republicans ruined insurance by blocking the public option and then also claim you have an amazing cheap plan..


I didn't say my plan was cheap.



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 10:34 PM
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originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: Greggers

So you don't understand how taxes work. Noted. Trumps 95 tax return does not indicate he does not pay taxes.

Trump had also never claimed bankruptcy. Do you have any other baseless statements you want to make?


You're being unnecessarily argumentative. We can discuss this like civil adults or not. Your call.

I never claimed Trump did not pay taxes. I was specifically referring to this:

From: www.nytimes.com...


Donald J. Trump explicitly acknowledged for the first time during Sunday’s debate that he used a $916 million loss that he reported on his 1995 income tax returns to avoid paying personal federal income taxes for years.

Mr. Trump’s response — “Of course I do. Of course I do” — was the fullest the wealthy developer had provided since The New York Times reported that he had declared the loss, and that the tax deduction could have been large enough to allow him to avoid federal income taxes for up to 18 years.

Previously he had declined to comment on the documents, issuing a statement that neither challenged nor confirmed the $916 million loss.


Whether Trump himself paid taxes is ancillary. My point was that you and I cannot declare bankruptcy, defaulting on our loans, and still claim those loans as a business loss. Are you claiming Trump did not default on those loans?
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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 10:34 PM
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a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

Medicare premiums go up every year...just not by a whole lot.

Medicare is probably one of the best plans you could be on right now.



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 10:36 PM
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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 10:40 PM
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a reply to: Greggers

Show me loans trump personally defaulted on. You are confusing a business bankruptcy with a personal one.



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 10:40 PM
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I never understood why the self-proclaimed American "Left" supported Obamacare.

It's corporate exploitation in it's purest form. Just it also happens to exploit other companies as well as the unwashed masses.

No wonder Mitt Romney came up with this nonsense first.



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 10:56 PM
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originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: Greggers

Show me loans trump personally defaulted on. You are confusing a business bankruptcy with a personal one.


Here's a better description of the tax loophole available to wealthy real-estate investors that is not available to me and you thinkprogress.org...

As far as Trump's bankruptcies go, he used a lot of other people's money to invest in his casinos, and his multiple business bankruptcies allowed him to walk away without paying them back what was borrowed, while at the same time claiming a loss, potentially under a doctrine called "abandonment," in which an investor walks away from a nearly worthless asset and writes off his entire capital investment in the property.

Again, whether or not Trump paid taxes isn't really the point. My point is that the tax code favors the wealthy. There are lots of other examples that might be more to your liking, if you'd like to delve into it.



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 11:05 PM
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Thank you for making this post, I know good middle class people that are struggling bc of these bills, not cool



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 11:11 PM
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a reply to: Ohanka

Easy. The "Left" generally wanted a single-payer plan and was hoping for that. Then that all went crazy and the Romneycare plan was adopted to give the insurance corporations a bone in the process and many many many cooks stirred that pot.

It wasn't what the "left" wanted, HOWEVER, it was SOME of what the Left wanted. We Compromised in order to get rid of the pre-existing conditions and were hoping, due to Medicaid expansion, to lay the groundwork for a future single-payer option as well as getting more people insured in general.

The Left, or at least some portion of the Left, is playing a long game here, pushing forward what it can, trying to work with the "other side" (which was a mistake in retrospect) and then taking a partial "win" that didn't look quite like what they were hoping for, but better than people not being able to get treatment. Sometimes compromise gets you a bit of what you want, but if you stomp your feet and refuse to bend, you can walk away with nothing at all. So you keep coming to the table, fixing problems, putting in new ideas, etc., until you DO get what you want.



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 11:22 PM
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a reply to: mobiusmale

There aren't enough people on the exchange to affect the election.



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 11:26 PM
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I'm really tired of subsidizing the failings of democrats. I would rather they suffer before their death than work an extra minute to pay for them, that's how much democrats means to me. Get a job losers.



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 11:27 PM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

It's true though.
No one said these people aren't important or that they won't be affected. Just that their numbers are small.



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 11:27 PM
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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 11:28 PM
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