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Forget Wikileaks...this is the real October Surprise that is going to stop Hillary

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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 01:28 PM
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People have a hard time wading through all of the twists and turns, and convoluted political intrigue, that are the devastating stream of revelations about just how corrupt the Democratic Party...and its supreme leader Hillary Clinton...is.

Most people don't have the time, or the attention span, to pour over the tens of thousands of documents being released by Wikileaks - and the MSM is trying their hardest to ignore the subject.

Having said that, my father once told me that, "There are two things you don't mess with. A man's wife, or a man's paycheque...and not necessarily in that order." Substitute "woman" and "husband" if you like, but the message is very clear.

And now...even CNN cannot ignore it...we have the issue that directly affects people's pocketbooks. Plain and simple. The pain and the impacts are very real and very personal.

Obamacare Premiums...





Just watch the Polls swing on this issue leading up to November 8...and watch as State after State goes from Blue to Red - just like the American peoples' bank accounts, due to the astonishing increases in Obamacare Premiums!
edit on 27-10-2016 by mobiusmale because: link not working

edit on 27-10-2016 by mobiusmale because: typo



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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 01:34 PM
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a reply to: mobiusmale

Most people get their insurance through their work, the next largest segment has Medicare/Medicaid. Those that get their insurance through the exchanges, not all of them are experiencing a large premium hike.

The people you are talking about that are effected by these premium hikes are a small minority that won't tilt the election one way or another.

But go ahead and think this will change blue states to red.


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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 01:39 PM
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a reply to: kruphix
Kinda going to spin off that, but isn't it funny that that is the argument being made by the left now? The poor and disaffected who don't get the insurance through their work (basically the people who were invoked to pass the bill) are going to, now, take the brunt of the hikes.


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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 01:41 PM
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People will vote with their wallets.
Looks like the people least likely to afford it get hit the hardest.

time.com...




Yet it’s also true that for Americans who don’t get insurance through work, and who make too much money to qualify for federal subsidies, the cost of health coverage is about to soar dramatically, with premiums sometimes rising $1,000, even over $2,000 for the year.


If one were making 45k per year and the cost of a service increased 1k-2k for THAT year one would find other service providers or not use the service at all.
But if you did not pay for health insurance you would owe the irs a penalty of 2k.
Damned if you do Damned if you do not.

5% of someones income is alot, enough to make them think about who to vote for.


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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 01:42 PM
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a reply to: kruphix

I am 27, never get ill, have low blood pressure, and am in good shape.

My premiums doubled since this mess. So I ditched it. This was a redistribution of health care.



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 01:42 PM
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I don't understand why Trump hasn't been all over this opportunity. He should stop with the nonsense shooting himself in the foot crap and focus on this news to sway more voters to his side.

Instead he has been babbling about his awesome golf course. It is times like these that make me think he must be taking a dive on purpose.



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: Mr Headshot
a reply to: kruphix
Kinda going to spin off that, but isn't it funny that that is the argument being made by the left now? The poor and disaffected who don't get the insurance through their work (basically the people who were invoked to pass the bill) are going to, now, take the brunt of the hikes.


Of course they will because they're the ones on the exchanges.

One thing Hillary would like to do is provide more federal funding to get younger people signed up, to lower the risk pool and in turn lower premiums.

Of course, the Republicans won't work with her on it because "OBAMACARE," so who knows.

I guess everyone is holding out for single payer, which is the inevitable result once the insurance industry collapses under the high cost of medical treatment.


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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 01:45 PM
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The people you are talking about that are effected by these premium hikes are a small minority that won't tilt the election one way or another.

Yeah the people in the "basket of deplorables" are a small minority as well. Perhaps in your opinion they are all in the same basket.
Nice to be told "you're a amall minority" your fate won't effect an election.


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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 01:47 PM
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originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: mobiusmale

Most people get their insurance through their work, the next largest segment has Medicare/Medicaid. Those that get their insurance through the exchanges, not all of them are experiencing a large premium hike.

The people you are talking about that are effected by these premium hikes are a small minority that won't tilt the election one way or another.

But go ahead and think this will change blue states to red.


cool, then abolishing the abortion that is "Obamacare" should be quick and easy. Then we can get insurance companies back to competing for our business and maybe get insurance back to where most people can afford it and not just those making less than $23k a year.

You do realize that Obamacare is the single biggest failure in the history of the US last 8 years right? Much like a monkey #ing a football.



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: mobiusmale

It's going to cost Hilary some votes but is NOT going turn a blue state red. Might sway a poorer purple one toward red, but I'm unsure of what state fits that bill exactly. Fl maybe?


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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 01:48 PM
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Of course, the Republicans won't work with her on it because "OBAMACARE," so who knows.


"Work with her"? really kind of like the dems worked with the gop to pass the ACA to begin with? Pass it before you read it?
Like your plan keep your plan? That kind of cooperation?


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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 01:48 PM
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originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: mobiusmale

Most people get their insurance through their work, the next largest segment has Medicare/Medicaid. Those that get their insurance through the exchanges, not all of them are experiencing a large premium hike.

The people you are talking about that are effected by these premium hikes are a small minority that won't tilt the election one way or another.

But go ahead and think this will change blue states to red.


Considering you're talking about small and medium business owners who the current administration (and HRC) says they want to support, I am fairly certain the OP is accurate.

The price hikes are a direct slap in the face to those of us that own our own small businesses and pay for insurance on our own.

Shows how out of touch the top is with the middle.


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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 01:50 PM
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Employer sponsored rates are high too.

It's cutting into employees' pay.

Wake up voters !!!

2016 Employer Health Benefits Survey


edit on Oct-27-2016 by xuenchen because: payorelse


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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 01:51 PM
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originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: Mr Headshot
a reply to: kruphix
Kinda going to spin off that, but isn't it funny that that is the argument being made by the left now? The poor and disaffected who don't get the insurance through their work (basically the people who were invoked to pass the bill) are going to, now, take the brunt of the hikes.


Of course they will because they're the ones on the exchanges.

One thing Hillary would like to do is provide more federal funding to get younger people signed up, to lower the risk pool and in turn lower premiums.

Of course, the Republicans won't work with her on it because "OBAMACARE," so who knows.

I guess everyone is holding out for single payer, which is the inevitable result once the insurance industry collapses under the high cost of medical treatment.


yes, the young ones who are also making minimum wage or close. If they make any money at all, they will miss the subsidies and be paying the $500 to $800 a month the rest of us have to pay.

The way it was before Obamacare was much much better for everyone except the one's with pre-existing conditions.

It's a shame we couldn't have someone who was smart enough to grasp that. Then they could have just tried to fix that tiny slice of the population instead of jamming a broomstick up the rest of us.


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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: Mr Headshot
a reply to: kruphix
Kinda going to spin off that, but isn't it funny that that is the argument being made by the left now? The poor and disaffected who don't get the insurance through their work (basically the people who were invoked to pass the bill) are going to, now, take the brunt of the hikes.


Of course they will because they're the ones on the exchanges.

One thing Hillary would like to do is provide more federal funding to get younger people signed up, to lower the risk pool and in turn lower premiums.

Of course, the Republicans won't work with her on it because "OBAMACARE," so who knows.

I guess everyone is holding out for single payer, which is the inevitable result once the insurance industry collapses under the high cost of medical treatment.


"More Federal Funding" is just code for, "we are going to increase taxes"...so Hillary's solution for high Health insurance Premiums, is to move the taxpayer drain a little farther to left and call it something else.

I mean what choice would she have, if she wants to keep some semblance of this disaster intact? The Obama/Clinton regime doubled the National Debt to over $20 trillion dollars in 8 yearts...how much deeper can that go before the whole bubble bursts?



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe




The price hikes are a direct slap in the face to those of us that own our own small businesses and pay for insurance on our own.

That's right they forgot if you have less than 50 people employed you do not have to provide insurance to your employees.


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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 01:53 PM
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originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: Mr Headshot
a reply to: kruphix
Kinda going to spin off that, but isn't it funny that that is the argument being made by the left now? The poor and disaffected who don't get the insurance through their work (basically the people who were invoked to pass the bill) are going to, now, take the brunt of the hikes.


Of course they will because they're the ones on the exchanges.

One thing Hillary would like to do is provide more federal funding to get younger people signed up, to lower the risk pool and in turn lower premiums.

Of course, the Republicans won't work with her on it because "OBAMACARE," so who knows.

I guess everyone is holding out for single payer, which is the inevitable result once the insurance industry collapses under the high cost of medical treatment.


And where exactly does federal funding come from? *looks at wallet*

No such thing as a free lunch.

My healthcare costs have gone up almost 50% while benefits have gone down, and I'm on an employer provided plan. I'm 33yo and healthy as a horse.

Healthcare is not a right, quit treating it as such. Get some actual competition in the system as well as some tort reform and maybe you'll see some improvement. Start jailing cronies and letting unprofitable companies fail you'll see some improvement.

I feel sorry for anyone who believes that Democrats/Republicans are one dimes worth of different from each other...
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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: cynicalheathen

And where exactly does federal funding come from? *looks at wallet*


Where it should come from is the tax dollars of the wealthiest 1%, who have managed to consolidate power and money to an extent never before seen in the course of human history.


edit on 27-10-2016 by Greggers because: (no reason given)


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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: mobiusmale

Most people get their insurance through their work, the next largest segment has Medicare/Medicaid. Those that get their insurance through the exchanges, not all of them are experiencing a large premium hike.

The people you are talking about that are effected by these premium hikes are a small minority that won't tilt the election one way or another.

But go ahead and think this will change blue states to red.


This will swing many votes to Trump as even the Dems are denouncing the ACA now that it's no longer affordable for many.

ACA Unaffordable

Your ship is sinking, and you need a bigger bailing bucket.




posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: Greggers

You advocate raising taxes on those making over 700k a year only?
And that will cover obamacare?

Yeah math and stuff........



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