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originally posted by: AndyMayhew
originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: thesungod
These forces could be equipped for going to actual war this time. Didn't Russia initiate a recall of certain citizens residing outside of the country last week? I remember reading this someplace.
And they did a 40 million person nuke drill Oct 4 - 7th. Here, we did, nothing. We talked about "grab that p****y"
3 years ago their annual nuke drill involved 60 million people ..... Make of that what you will
However 300 marines? Against the entire Russian army? Someone has been reading too many comics
(Seriously, if they had said 300 Spartans then I could have believed it)
Representatives for the Russian Emergency Situations Ministry (EMERCOM) said that all bomb shelters and underground shelters in Moscow meant for the evacuation of people in case of a nuclear attack or other emergencies, “were prepared and will be able to accommodate the entire population of the capital.” “As a result of the introduction of new approaches to civil defense, an inventory of underground facilities of the city was conducted. The Moscow underground facilities will be able to protect 100% of the population of the city,” deputy head of EMERCOM of Russia in Moscow, Andrei Mishchenko said.
Two years ago, Russia conducted drills to repulse a nuclear attack on Moscow and strike a massive retaliatory blow. Reportedly, President Putin used the “nuclear suitcase” during the drills. In 2015, both Russian and American generals said for the first time that a nuclear war between the United States and Russia was close like never before.
originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: TheFlyOnTheWall
Do you seriously think Russia / China are going to start a nuclear war? Russia seems to be the one fixated on nuclear weapons and using them.
Absolutely not. America will, that's why Putin is getting ready. Sorry, Hillary will.
originally posted by: Xcathdra
originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: TheFlyOnTheWall
Do you seriously think Russia / China are going to start a nuclear war? Russia seems to be the one fixated on nuclear weapons and using them.
Absolutely not. America will, that's why Putin is getting ready. Sorry, Hillary will.
Then you have no clue about our nuclear weapon command and control. While the President is the only person who can authorize a nuclear release they cant do it by themselves. We employ a 2 man system, including the Presidential level.
Clinton nor Trump can authorize a release on their own.
and again Russia is the one lipping off about nukes and war, not the US.
originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: TheFlyOnTheWall
Syria belongs to the Syrian people and not Russia.
The US led coalition has Syrias permission to strike ISIS in their country.
Putin's actions are the reason for whats occurring and they arent defending themselves from the West nor NATO since they have done nothing to do with Putin's choices.
America has not started anything with Russia. Russia's invasion of Ukraine / occupation of Ukraine territory is what started us all down this road. Ironic Russia keeps blaming the West / NATO considering Russia was a NATO partner for peace member (among other NATO programs they were involved in).
Russia comparing Aleppo to Grozny is very much a problem.
First, they continue their policy of expanding NATO. What for? If the Warsaw Bloc stopped its existence, the Soviet Union have collapsed and, nevertheless, the NATO continues expanding as well as its military infrastructure. Then they offered the poor Soviet countries a false choice: either to be with the West or with the East. Sooner or later, this logic of confrontation was bound to spark off a grave geopolitical crisis. This is exactly what happened in Ukraine, where the discontent of population with the current authorities was used and the military coup was orchestrated from outside — that triggered a civil war as a result.
www.washingtonpost.com...
The origins go back 60 years of US agression side by provoking or ignoring illegal oil, weapons, money laundering etc...East vs West - you're wither with us or against us attitudes.
Russia is by no means innocent - but there's good reason why the US has started more wars in the past 60 years than all other nations combined.edit on 27-10-2016 by bastion because: (no reason given)
Assuming Clinton is going to war with Russia is based on speculation thats not supported by fact
The US led coalition has Syrias permission to strike ISIS in their country.
Putin's actions are the reason for whats occurring
originally posted by: bastion
Both US and Russia have permission, Russia has been calling for all UN nations to unite incombaitting ISIS since 2015 - for the past 60 years the US has been directly threatening Russia and surrounding it by arming opposition and impossing western puppet leaders/ While illegally arming their allies with nukes.
Fact: This claim ignores the facts of geography. Russia's land border is just over 20,000 kilometres long. Of that, 1,215 kilometres, or less than one-sixteenth, face current NATO members.
Russia shares land borders with 14 countries (Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, China, North Korea). Only five of them are NATO members.
Claims that NATO is building bases around Russia are similarly groundless. Outside the territory of NATO nations, NATO only maintains a significant military presence in three places: Kosovo, Afghanistan, and at sea off the Horn of Africa. All three operations are carried out under United Nations mandate, and thus carry the approval of Russia, along with all other Security Council members. Before Russia's aggressive actions in Ukraine began, Russia provided logistical support to the Afghan mission, and cooperated directly with the counter-piracy operation, showing clearly that Russia viewed them as a benefit, not a threat.
With respect to the permanent stationing of U.S. and other Allied forces on the territory of other Allies in Europe, NATO has full abided by the commitments made in the NATO-Russia Founding Act. There has been no permanent stationing of additional combat forces on the territory of other allies; and total force levels have, in fact, been substantially reduced since the end of the Cold War
NATO has partnership relationships with many countries in Europe and Asia, as can be seen from this interactive map. Such partnerships, which are requested by the partners in question, focus exclusively on issues agreed with them, such as disaster preparedness and relief, transparency, armed forces reform, and counter-terrorism. These partnerships cannot legitimately be considered a threat to Russia, or to any other country in the region, let alone an attempt at encirclement.
originally posted by: bastion
I think you're getting the Soviet Union mixed up with Russia - here;s Putin's own words for why NATO is more of a dictatorship then democracy and have to admit I agree with him.
First, they continue their policy of expanding NATO. What for? If the Warsaw Bloc stopped its existence, the Soviet Union have collapsed and, nevertheless, the NATO continues expanding as well as its military infrastructure. Then they offered the poor Soviet countries a false choice: either to be with the West or with the East. Sooner or later, this logic of confrontation was bound to spark off a grave geopolitical crisis. This is exactly what happened in Ukraine, where the discontent of population with the current authorities was used and the military coup was orchestrated from outside — that triggered a civil war as a result.
www.washingtonpost.com...
The origins go back 60 years of US agression side by provoking or ignoring illegal oil, weapons, money laundering etc...East vs West - you're wither with us or against us attitudes.
Russia is by no means innocent - but there's good reason why the US has started more wars in the past 60 years than all other nations combined.
originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
Are you living under a rock? That frothy hag is chomping at the bit. Putin has pulled out the nukes and has repeatedly stated to back the F off or we will go to war. I'm paraphrasing but a vote for hillary is a vote for world war 3. Clinton proposing a no fly zone is out of her jurisdiction. Syria is Russia's ally, to say Russia can't fly there is beyond asinine. And did you make that map to show me geography? Yes, I'm aware of where Syria is thanks. But when I said it belongs to Russia, I mean as allies.
originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
Since when? I'm going to have to call bull# on that one.
www.globalresearch.ca...
...UNITED NATIONS (AP) — Syria's foreign minister said Monday that the U.S.-led bombing campaign should be expanded to target other militant groups besides the Islamic State group, noting that the fight against terrorism has aligned the Syrian regime with its Western and Arab opponents in a fight against a common enemy.
... Last month, al-Moallem warned at a news conference in Damascus that any strike that was not coordinated with the Assad government would be considered as aggression.
But on Monday he denied saying that coordination was necessary, adding that Damascus was satisfied with simply being informed of any U.S.-led action, which he said the Obama administration did before the start last week of the aerial campaign in Syria.
originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
?? This is just absolutely false. It would seem at this point there's no more need to keep discussing this with you because your reality of the situation is backwards. If you haven't been paying attention to what's going on and what the Syrian war is really all about then you don't have a clue about the complications involved. Yeah, the Syrian war is ALL Russia's fault. What a sad state of affairs the world has become. The only 'fault' of Russia was to tell Prince Bandar to piss off in 2011 and you likely have no idea what I'm talking about.
originally posted by: crazyewok
The USA and UK stormed into Iraq on a trumped up bull# reason and #ed up the entire country and trashed it into ground and doomed it to decades of civil strife. If you cant see that is WRONG then thats on you.
originally posted by: crazyewok
UK , France and USA bombed Libya back to the stone age, Like Russia in Syria.
originally posted by: crazyewok
USA and UK are no moral angels and should not be pointing fingers.
Russia are no moral angels either.
originally posted by: crazyewok
Both sides are full of #ing #!
made the map because you lied to everyone by stating Syria belongs to Russia. I was pointing out, as Canada did with Ukraine and Russia, that you along with Russia need to learn geography because what you claim is a flat out lie.
“We did not seek the regime's permission, we didn't coordinate our actions with the Syrian government, and Secretary [of State John] Kerry did not send a letter to the Syrian regime,” a State Department spokesperson told the Associated Press, perhaps trying to stave off the already festering chorus of Twitter users and analysts who recalled earlier statements by General Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Last year, Dempsey warned, “the Syrian air defense system is sophisticated and it’s dense.”
Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al Moualem on Friday cast doubt on the importance of political negotiations and argued that aerial bombardment of armed militant groups in Syria is no use if this is not coordinated with President Bashar Assad’s government, referring to the one year long US-led campaign of air strikes on ISIS in both Iraq and Syria.
So you failed to understand my entire post and instead concentrated on Syria...
originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
Only a village idiot argues semantics. If you're too daft to figure out I was referring to a bilateral relationship between Russia and Syria, and THEN try to pigeonhole me into a straw man argument on geography, I've got a bridge to nowhere to sell you. I'll say it again, Syria belongs to Russia.
originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
Do you work for CNN or something? You're going on and on about something you've taken out of context and are trying to spin it into something else. Take a pill brah. You're looking unbalanced here, I know where Syria is and most people here do as well. Not fooling anyone except yourself. Moving forward...
originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
That's from Sept 23. Your article from the associated press is one week later where it does appear consent was given but only provided US attacks all those jihad mofos. So let's face it. US was never given permission leading up to sept 30 and it has always been an illegal war. You won't acknowledge this because it is you who prefers to peddle bs.
originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
So I'm still trying to find that associated press story which claims Syria's foreign minister has given consent but I can't find squat. I keep finding info to the contrary of your lies.
Oct 3
Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al Moualem on Friday cast doubt on the importance of political negotiations and argued that aerial bombardment of armed militant groups in Syria is no use if this is not coordinated with President Bashar Assad’s government, referring to the one year long US-led campaign of air strikes on ISIS in both Iraq and Syria.
www.trtworld.com...
So you see, if you want to call me a liar so you can burn down your straw man, I'll just come out and call you a liar that you suggested Walid Moallem has given the US his blessings to be there. All international efforts MUST be coordinated with the Assad regime. Period. US has not done that therefore negates your pathetic twist of the truth.
UNITED NATIONS (AP) — Syria's foreign minister said Monday that the U.S.-led bombing campaign should be expanded to target other militant groups besides the Islamic State group, noting that the fight against terrorism has aligned the Syrian regime with its Western and Arab opponents in a fight against a common enemy.
Last month, al-Moallem warned at a news conference in Damascus that any strike that was not coordinated with the Assad government would be considered as aggression.
But on Monday he denied saying that coordination was necessary, adding that Damascus was satisfied with simply being informed of any U.S.-led action, which he said the Obama administration did before the start last week of the aerial campaign in Syria.
originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
Because we're talking about the geopolitics of Syria. You would rather focus on maps.