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there will be a skyrocket in stereotypes that say woman are unfit for official positions.
originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: scojak
If anything she is THE most qualified WOMAN to run for President. That doesn't mean she's the best possible Representative of Women, nor is she the best choice for President. However, currently, as in right now at this time, there isn't any other woman I can think of who has the experience of being a politician and knowing how to fight within that arena.
So I totally disagree. Although that doesn't mean I like her or want her as President, because I don't. But looking strictly at the question of "Who is the most experienced Woman right now with the Male Dominated arena of Politics??" It would have to be Hillary. If for no other reason than I can't even think of any other woman who's been as involved as her anywhere in politics.
That being said, I think Warren would get my vote before Hillary if she was running simply because I think Warren has better ethics, but she's not running so that's that. But even comparing Jill Stein and Hillary, Hillary just is more qualified in that she knows the game and how it's played better. Once again however, I think Stein is a much more ethical person and someone who actually cares personally about the people of the US more than Hillary does. But she doesn't know the political arena like Hillary and it would eat her up in a minute.
Hillary's already been fighting this battle for years. To get where she's at now has taken her more work and more sneaky double dealing, back stabbing and double crossing than any of the other Men who's she's surrounded by simply because she's a woman. I don't doubt her ability to fight just as hard and nasty as any man. In fact I worry more that she'll be too damn nasty and mean without pulling back.
Also, she doesn't represent all woman. Another thing that bothers me as well and proves the point of bias is that we are even discussing "Women" in general in this context. The fact that it's taken this long for a woman to seen as capable of holding the highest office is a disgrace actually and we should be ashamed of that kind of thinking.
originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: scojak
If anything she is THE most qualified WOMAN to run for President. That doesn't mean she's the best possible Representative of Women, nor is she the best choice for President. However, currently, as in right now at this time, there isn't any other woman I can think of who has the experience of being a politician and knowing how to fight within that arena.
So I totally disagree. Although that doesn't mean I like her or want her as President, because I don't. But looking strictly at the question of "Who is the most experienced Woman right now with the Male Dominated arena of Politics??" It would have to be Hillary. If for no other reason than I can't even think of any other woman who's been as involved as her anywhere in politics.
That being said, I think Warren would get my vote before Hillary if she was running simply because I think Warren has better ethics, but she's not running so that's that. But even comparing Jill Stein and Hillary, Hillary just is more qualified in that she knows the game and how it's played better. Once again however, I think Stein is a much more ethical person and someone who actually cares personally about the people of the US more than Hillary does. But she doesn't know the political arena like Hillary and it would eat her up in a minute.
Hillary's already been fighting this battle for years. To get where she's at now has taken her more work and more sneaky double dealing, back stabbing and double crossing than any of the other Men who's she's surrounded by simply because she's a woman. I don't doubt her ability to fight just as hard and nasty as any man. In fact I worry more that she'll be too damn nasty and mean without pulling back.
Also, she doesn't represent all woman. Another thing that bothers me as well and proves the point of bias is that we are even discussing "Women" in general in this context. The fact that it's taken this long for a woman to seen as capable of holding the highest office is a disgrace actually and we should be ashamed of that kind of thinking.
originally posted by: Advantage
How about we dont nominate or elect anyone due to their genitalia, rather if they are qualified and hold to our own personal political beliefs and/or wants/hopes. Elect the mind and heart, not the weewees or skin colors. Can we PUHLEASE get past this infantile sort of thinking?! WHo gives a damn about first woman prez or black prez or whatever prez. How about a GOOD prez... for the love of God grow up!
....and someone mentioned Warren? If I ever saw that moron Id kick her cultural appropriating lying ass.
originally posted by: scojak
originally posted by: Advantage
How about we dont nominate or elect anyone due to their genitalia, rather if they are qualified and hold to our own personal political beliefs and/or wants/hopes. Elect the mind and heart, not the weewees or skin colors. Can we PUHLEASE get past this infantile sort of thinking?! WHo gives a damn about first woman prez or black prez or whatever prez. How about a GOOD prez... for the love of God grow up!
....and someone mentioned Warren? If I ever saw that moron Id kick her cultural appropriating lying ass.
That sure would be ideal, wouldn't it? However, with political corruption and public stupidity, such a utopia will never exist.
originally posted by: scojak
I'm discussing stereotypes which obviously don't represent all people. That's why they are called stereotypes. I don't condone them, but that's the way our society works. It makes perfect sense that a woman failing as President would have an extreme effect on stereotypes of women in positions of power. I'm not trying to to discuss the morality of anything, purely the cause and effect of Hillary's presidency on women equality.
originally posted by: Advantage
Utopia??? Expecting that adults look at actual issues and make actual decisions not based on a vagina or penis is some sort of utopia?? Good lord...
originally posted by: scojak
originally posted by: Advantage
Utopia??? Expecting that adults look at actual issues and make actual decisions not based on a vagina or penis is some sort of utopia?? Good lord...
You're cherry-picking your own quote to try and bash me. Cherry-picking BTW is a major problem with the media and is a huge reason why the public are misinformed, so please refrain from that and don't get emotional about this.
Anyway, you basically said we should not base nominations on gender or skin color, but instead on, "...if they are qualified and hold to our own personal political beliefs and/or wants/hopes. Elect the mind and heart..."
I somewhat sarcastically described that situation as a utopia. That must be lost on some people though...
originally posted by: scojak
originally posted by: Advantage
Utopia??? Expecting that adults look at actual issues and make actual decisions not based on a vagina or penis is some sort of utopia?? Good lord...
You're cherry-picking your own quote to try and bash me. Cherry-picking BTW is a major problem with the media and is a huge reason why the public are misinformed, so please refrain from that and don't get emotional about this.
Anyway, you basically said we should not base nominations on gender or skin color, but instead on, "...if they are qualified and hold to our own personal political beliefs and/or wants/hopes. Elect the mind and heart..."
I somewhat sarcastically described that situation as a utopia. That must be lost on some people though...
originally posted by: mOjOm
What sucks though is that there are plenty of failures of Men Presidents but it doesn't effect them the same way. It's a bias which is simply grown within the culture itself. It shouldn't be that way.