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Donald Trump denounces Obamacare, while touting his golf course in Florida

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posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 01:46 PM
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a reply to: seasonal




They didn't address the COST, this is where competition is supposed to come in.


There were several Republican governors who refused to participate, in order to deliberately undermine the "COST" calculations that were in place.



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posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 01:56 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: network dude
perhaps you were living on another planet (which seems much more likely due to your lack of knowledge) but before Obama care, insurance for a single person, good health, in their early 30's was about ...........$180 a month, now that same person must pay about $400 or better.


In good health is the key phrase. Sick people need insurance too. Also, coverage caps were a very real thing. If you got cancer, you would almost certainly pass the cap and go bankrupt with medical bills despite the fact you had insurance.


Exactly, And instead of trying to find a way to help that small percentage of people with pre-exiting conditions, they screwed the entire middle class to help those few people. Think about this for a moment. An extra $200 per person, per month, every month, until next year, then rates go up another 25% minimum, and you may get a choice of 1 company. 1.


You can try to spin the rest of it anyway you like, but facts will be facts long after Obama leaves office.



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 01:59 PM
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a reply to: network dude

The Republicans also bear a huge responsibility for ACA problems. This isn't just Obama's problem.



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: windword

No they avoided this because it stinks to high heaven. Make no mistake it stunk before Ocare, but the governors had at least half a brain between them and said no. They could see it failing, the numbers didn't make scene.

Do you remember how many Americans didn't want this, do you remember you can keep your medical coverage and your doctor and you are going to save $2500 annually? There is/was medicare for the poor. But Ocare throws the baby (pre ocare medical coverage) out with the bath water.

The repubs and dems played grab a$$ for months and months and this is what they came up with. The the repubs left the dumber dems holding the bag when the dems believed their own lies and voted for it.

Oh then they said they were omitted from Ocare, ain't that peachy?
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posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 02:05 PM
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No they avoided this because it stinks to high heaven.


No.. They refused because they knew that it would hurt the working intent of the ACA, and they didn't care how it would affect their constituents or the American people in general. This "do nothing Republican Congress/hinder Obama at any cost" will go down in history as the worse for the American people, ever!

If the GOP hadn't done everything in their power to sabotage the ACA and Obama's presidency. we wouldn't be in this position.

I hope the GOP loses seats and the majority in both houses and maybe we can get these things fixed, and get some things done too!




posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 02:23 PM
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If the GOP hadn't done everything in their power to sabotage the ACA and Obama's presidency. we wouldn't be in this position.

You view is a very dangerous one. You look to another (dem) as if they give a rat's shiny rear end for you. The dems are not going to save you, just like the repubs aren't. It is about $ or power, always is.

The only way to solve this is when congress is filled with mechanics, nurses, pilot, cops and school teachers for 6 year terms for the house and the senators, that's it. And you want to know why? Because when you have people that are or become millionaires in congress they tend to loose sight of why they are really there. And guess what, dems and repubs in congress are largely lawyers and millionaires.




They refused because they knew that it would hurt the working intent of the ACA, and they didn't care how it would affect their constituents or the American people in general.


Like the new mortgage that is the monthly medical health insurance payment isn't hurting? Can you at least admit that we, the american people were lied to about cost, keeping Dr's, saving $2500 a year? Can you?
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posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 02:39 PM
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Texas exchange 2017


Allegian: 27.48 percent
AmBetter (Celtic): 15.51 percent
Blue Cross Blue Shield of Texas: 58.4 percent
CHRISTUS Health: 17 percent to 30 percent
Cigna: 23.5 percent (but possibly exiting the exchange)
Community First: 7.5 percent to 8.7 percent
Community Health Choice: 6.91 percent
FirstCare (SHA): 29.13 percent
Humana: 45.35 percent
IdealCare (Sendero): 19.68 percent
Insurance Company of Scott & White: 19.62 percent
Molina: 9.6 percent
Oscar: 11.7 percent to 22.3 percent (coverage area is being reduced; plans will not be available in the Dallas area in 2017)
Prominence Health First: 31.85 percent

As of August 2016, Humana had indicated that they would be exiting the exchange in some counties, including Harris County.

Source: www.healthinsurance.org...


Insurance companies have used this as an excuse to get a larger increase. We know the income machine pushes for as much as it can get. As long as this is the health care model (for profit companies controlling health), this is what we'll get.



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 02:40 PM
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Like the new mortgage that is the monthly medical health insurance payment isn't hurting? Can you at least admit that we, the american people were lied to about cost, keeping Dr's, saving $2500 a year? Can you?


Nope. We were betrayed by Republicans who refused to work with the president towards the people's will, universal health care/single payer.

You can blame the Republicans for all the ACA problems affected middle class Americans. They did this to you with foresight and glee.



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 02:45 PM
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Employers have to 'offer' healthcare it does not need to be 'provided' by them. Lots of people will go to the marketplace because they may leave that job or they could get a better rate but he is not lying.

Also, if he is picking up 70% of the premium he is as fantastic provider. It is usually the other way around. I work with this industry and it has done nothing but raise premiums and deductibles.

Also, women do not pay more. That is flat out bs. (stop reading memes) I have done benefits for 1000's of clients and NOT ONE has ever been based on sex. The new ACA requirements however did add age to some smaller companies to assist with premium costs.

As far as cost...my average per client is a 45% increase from last year.


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posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 02:50 PM
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...and they were threatened if they did not comply so they created 'state' marketplaces instead of federal. ACA did nothing but allow insurance companies to find out what employers and employees were paying. Box 12dd. Then, with that data, the government could put out prices that were similar to direct healthcare. No change and no competition. They just tell the consumer the new rate. It was a tax package to affect the consumer and the employer.

You also were able to get healthcare but that did not mean they would cover a pre-existing condition. They just gave you healthcare and said no. So, you were paying for something that you could not even use but hey the government can say they 'provided' you with it...



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 02:55 PM
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Lots of people will go to the marketplace because they may leave that job or they could get a better rate but he is not lying.


According to the executive at the property he was. They said that at least 90% of their employees are covered under their corporate health insurance.



Also, women do not pay more. That is flat out bs.


I don't believe you.


Women Pay Lower Health Care Costs. Before the law, women could be charged more for individual insurance policies simply because of their gender. For example, a 22-year-old woman could be charged 150% the premium that a 22-year-old man paid. In 2014, insurers will no longer be able to charge women higher premiums than they charge men. The law takes strong action to control health care costs, including helping states crack down on excessive premium increases and making sure most of your premium dollars go for your health care.
www.hhs.gov...




As far as cost...my average per client is a 45% increase from last year.


Blame the Republicans.



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 02:57 PM
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If Obama didn't like it he is the POTUS, it's called a VETO!!!

You do remember that the dems were the only people to vote for this? How can it be the republicans fault if they refused to vote for the crap bill the genius dems and repubs came up with?

If you talk about a crime with another person and you don't do the crime but the other idiot does, should you go to prison as well?

Your logic is deeply flawed, this is how we arrived at Ocare, are you a Dem senator?




Nope. We were betrayed by Republicans who refused to work with the president towards the people's will, universal health care/single payer.


The will of the people was to leave it alone, where are you getting your info?
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posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: Byrd


Are you talking about Trumps golf course in Florida that he caught hell for allowing Black people to join, at the despair of the wealthy elite in the area?



BS story...



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 03:00 PM
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originally posted by: windword

Blame the Republicans.



Yea, it's still #ing Bush' fault. You liberals need to learn how to accept responsibility. it's beyond pathetic.



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 03:00 PM
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This thread is NOT in the Mud Pit.

Let's please keep it civil.

Many thanks.

As usual, do NOT reply to this post.



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 03:02 PM
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This isn't about Bush. You need to read your ACA history!



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 03:03 PM
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The will of the people was to leave it alone, where are you getting your info?


Leave what alone?

Did you miss the public mandate for health care reform when Obama was elected in 2008?



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 03:16 PM
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The public’s views of the Affordable Care Act, which were evenly divided following the Supreme Court’s ruling last summer upholding a key section of the law, are again more negative than positive. Currently, 44% approve of the 2010 health care law, compared with 54% who disapprove of the law.


I can't lay my hands on pre ACA stats, but above is 2016's, this is before the low, low, 25% to 75% increase in premium costs not to mention the great and exciting increases in deductibles.

Question what good is health care insurance if you can't afford it. And it will be unaffordable with a 25% to 75% increases


www.people-press.org... ricans-disapprove-than-approve-of-health-care-law/



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