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Michael Moore gives pro Trump speech and nails it.

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posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 02:13 AM
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Trump will be the last anti-establishment candidate with a real shot at the WH. It's now or never.




posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 03:17 AM
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originally posted by: Annee
OK, we disagree.

Back to Michael - - - this is not the Bernie thread.




LOL.

What's good is that we can do that peacefully though!!



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 04:11 AM
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A lot of you are missing the point. Moore isn't pro trump per say, he's pro democracy. And he is giving a perfect example of how democracy should work.



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 04:51 AM
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Nice to see a die hard democrat actually take the time to understand why people might vote in a different way to him.

Much better than the lazy, slanderous practice of labelling them deplorable.



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 05:45 AM
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originally posted by: Konduit
Trump will be the last anti-establishment candidate with a real shot at the WH. It's now or never.


This is absolutely true. There is no way the establishment will risk this again. They were caught by surprise - in fact the very systems they put in place were used against them. The Republicans built their process to stop competitors beating Bush, but they never figured on Trump and we know about the Democrats and their rigged system of Super delegates which means an outsider needs to bag 65% of the vote to overcome the stacked deck.

If, and when, Trump loses, the electoral systems will be changed to forever close the door on anyone like Trump winning either nomination again.

America is sealing her fate this time around.
edit on 25/10/2016 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 05:57 AM
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Here is what Moore said about his level of support for Hillary.


And before we do, let me state, I actually like Hillary – a lot – and I think she has been given a bad rap she doesn’t deserve. But her vote for the Iraq War made me promise her that I would never vote for her again. To date, I haven’t broken that promise. For the sake of preventing a proto-fascist from becoming our commander-in-chief, I’m breaking that promise. I sadly believe Clinton will find a way to get us in some kind of military action. She’s a hawk, to the right of Obama. But Trump’s psycho finger will be on The Button, and that is that. Done and done.


So, for example, if Bush has gotten the Republican nomination, Moore would still not be voting for Hillary. That's really quite an endorsement.

But, as bat s$#%t socialist-crazy as Moore is, in general, he seems to understand why people are supporting Trump in such massive numbers, and with such passion...


this is their chance! To stick to ALL of them, all who wrecked their American Dream! And now The Outsider, Donald Trump, has arrived to clean house! You don’t have to agree with him! You don’t even have to like him! He is your personal Molotov cocktail to throw right into the center of the bastards who did this to you! SEND A MESSAGE! TRUMP IS YOUR MESSENGER!



How can the race be this close after everything Trump has said and done? Well maybe it’s because he’s said (correctly) that the Clintons’ support of NAFTA helped to destroy the industrial states of the Upper Midwest. Trump is going to hammer Clinton on this and her support of TPP and other trade policies that have royally screwed the people of these four states.


Moore's 5 Reasons Why Trump Will Win



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 08:00 AM
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WOW,,,MOORE ISNT A SHILL AFTER ALL,,,,GO MICHAEL!!!



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 08:01 AM
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a reply to: strongfp FINE WITH ME, IM JUST GLAD TO HEAR AN HONEST DEMOCRAT,,IF ALL LIBS WERE HONEST THEN I WOULD BE ONE.,,,,KINDA



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 09:37 AM
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a reply to: Bobaganoosh

Mr Moore's audio there is all accurate.

However, it is taken out of context. Yes, it will be the biggest F--- You in history, and as he said at the end of the dialogue, it will feel good.

There are a great many things that allegedly feel good, depending on who you ask. Hard drugs, risky prostitutes, ax murdering an entire family and making garments from their rapidly cooling skin, these things all feel good depending on who you ask, but they all have serious consequences which despite the initial thrill, can wind up casting the entire event under an irredeemably negative shadow.

In the same way, sticking both fingers up at ones establishment is a great thing to do, but only if the aftermath will be as positive as the thrill itself, and voting for Trump, or for that matter Hilary Clinton, is NOT the sort of F--- You that has anything like a positive outcome. These ridiculous, childish arguments for Trump, and the same for Hilary, all the "least worst option" appeasers, all the down trodden masses who just want to live their lives without interference or hardship being dropped on them from above, these people need to wake up, and understand that a deep understanding of politics is necessary before making a choice between two devils, and NO ONE SEEMS TO HAVE A PROPER UNDERSTANDING OF THE ISSUES!

Those who HAVE an understanding, and still want to put two fingers up at the system, will be voting third party and the more of them, the merrier. But throwing your vote away on either of the big two marks a person out as part of the problem, not its solution, and that is the only reasonable conclusion a person can come to, unless they have allowed themselves to be programmed, and the programmed should not fool themselves into thinking that their opinions are as valid as those of the deprogrammed. They are not. They are weakness of mind made manifest, and nothing else.



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 04:54 PM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Well said, True Brit.

The whole Trump thing reminds me of the Brexit vote, with all the attendant equivocation and smokescreens and general distortions on both sides.

A fck you did feel good but once the die was cast, we ended up with the same kind of government, pursuing the same kind of policies, not giving a straight answer to straight questions, fighting among themselves while the economy drifts along towards the biggest storm in British history. The usual tabloids are announcing "The Rise of a New Britain" and the useful idiots cheer on while the financial pages of the serious newspapers are raising red flags daily and the smart money is battening down the hatches.

Even if all the indicators are wrong and Trump wins, he'll have to deal with a hostile legislature and world leaders that will eat him for breakfast. Not a recipe for prosperity or national self-respect.



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 04:56 PM
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a reply to: Bobaganoosh

Michael Moore's speech should not come as a surprise to anyone who understands there is a spectrum of opinion that goes beyond Pepsi or Coke politics.

It is possible to consider and understand a position without agreeing with it.

Watch, listen and learn.



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 05:13 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: Annee
OK, we disagree.

Back to Michael - - - this is not the Bernie thread.




LOL.

What's good is that we can do that peacefully though!!





posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 07:37 PM
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a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

I think it is important to note, that there is a significant difference between a Trump vote, and a British Exit from the EU. Voting for Brexit does not mark one out as being a racist. I know that, because I despise racism with all my heart, and yet I voted out. It does not mark one out as being anti immigration. I know that because I like most of the immigrants I have met, and understand that not only are folk about the same level of messed up no matter what language they speak, but immigration is necessary to the function of the economy here.

I voted out because I hate dealing with my own governments corruption, corporate influenced policies, and lack of respect for the less fortunate. I cannot, therefore, tolerate dealing with TWO layers of unaccountable, lazy, astoundingly non-representative representatives, who do not operate in my interest or the interest of my nations people. They are essentially dead weight, which we would be better off learning to live without. Also, with them still in the mix, we cannot begin the work of freeing our local political process from the business as usual, elect the richest and most disconnected persons we can find game, that British politics has been since God was a boy.

Why do I say that? Because the European Parliament could not deal with a government of, by, and for the people of the United Kingdom, as part of its daily routine. As a neighbour, yes, but not in their house. They would act to prevent it. Therefore, we leave, and never return, and hopefully we eventually get what we need. A massive left swing as things all go to pot, just in time to not be on fire and upside down by the time the next harvest rolls around, figuratively speaking.

Now, with Trump, it's a totally different scenario. Brexit has appeal across the board, with both left (like me) and right leaning people making the leap. Trump however does not have the same draw. His support base is fanatically right wing in the main, contains no thinkers of note, and is based entirely on emotional appeals to the lowest common denominator, as are every one of the policies involved. Whereas I found plenty of reasons to vote for Brexit, none of which had anything to do with immigration, money sent abroad, and were deeply researched on the historical aspects, the legal aspects, and so on, Trump supporters reasons for voting out boil down in nearly every case to a desire for a cleaner, less money driven government, which is outstandingly stupid considering the record of the individual in question, a dislike of immigration, a hatred of civility and respect amongst people, and a need to rage against things FOR THE SAKE OF IT AND WITH NO GREATER AIM OR PURPOSE IN MIND!

Big, massive, gigantic difference there.



posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 01:04 PM
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a reply to: Bobaganoosh

Yes, its a big part about revenge as I always said.

VOTE TRUMP.

F**K THEM ALL F**K THE ELITES.

But this is not Michael Moore



posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 01:06 PM
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a reply to: Bobaganoosh


The clip is in fact Moore, from his movie TrumpLand...

But it conveniently stops the audio EARLY..

Here is what immediately follows that clip



[Voting for Trump will feel good] for a day. Maybe a week. Possibly a month. And then. Like the Brits, who wanted to send a message, so they voted to leave Europe only to find out that if you vote to leave Europe you, actually have to leave Europe.

And now they regret it. All the Ohioans, Pennsylvanians, Michiganders and Wisconsinites of Middle England, right, they all voted to leave and now they regret it.

And over 4 million of them signed a petition to have a do-over, they want another election, but It's not going to happen. Because you used the ballot as an anger management tool. And now you're f**ked. And the rest of Europe. They're like, Bye Felicia.

So when the rightfully angry people of Ohio and Michigan and Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin find out after a few months in office that President Trump wasn't going to do a damn thing for them, it will be too late to do anything about it.

But I get it. You wanted to send a message. You had righteous anger. And justifiable anger. Well, message sent.

Goodnight America. You've just elected the last president of the United States.

www.snopes.com...



posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 01:16 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

If Trump wins and do what he says, the US will be an example for many countries to follow. It will be a SPEAR in the heart of the globalists and the globalization. In 10 years or less globalization is over and countries will trade with eachother directly as they always did.

If Trump wins and does not does what he says then the US will have a bad president like all in the past 50 or 60 years.

Voting for Trump is a chance to change, voting grandma is more globalization, coprporations over States, more refugees, more immigrants. MORE OF THE SAME

VOTE TRUMP
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posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 01:32 PM
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originally posted by: CrapAsUsual
a reply to: Indigo5

If Trump wins and do what he says,


All evidence points to both of those things being highly improbable. Combined probabilities of him both winning and following through on the virtually impossible pandering promises he has made to the disenfranchised are one in a hundred.

Which is fine if you literally have nothing left to lose, but the other 99 outcomes in 100 of a Trump Presidency involve America rapidly descending to 3rd world status.


the US will be an example for many countries to follow.


It will be the end of America as a guiding light..or at least it will take us 50 years to recover legitimacy in the world and economic power.

The Chinese government has already launched a very successful propaganda campaign amongst it's own population, touting their form of government and elections by showing a tonnage of clips of Donald Trump to demonstrate how vile and corrupt America is.



posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 01:48 PM
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All evidence points to both of those things being highly improbable. Combined probabilities of him both winning and following through on the virtually impossible pandering promises he has made to the disenfranchised are one in a hundred.


The disenfranchised are what? about 50% of the electorate? 100 million people?

The GLOBALIST ROUTE led us here. Are you expecting those same crooks to lead us to the top again?




Which is fine if you literally have nothing left to lose, but the other 99 outcomes in 100 of a Trump Presidency involve America rapidly descending to 3rd world status.


Have you ever been in a third world country or only saw one on TV?




It will be the end of America as a guiding light..or at least it will take us 50 years to recover legitimacy in the world and economic power.


America (The US) a guiding light? What are you talking about?




The Chinese government has already launched a very successful propaganda campaign amongst it's own population, touting their form of government and elections by showing a tonnage of clips of Donald Trump to demonstrate how vile and corrupt America is.


Oh.. the chinese. The "The one country two systems country" They say it about HK but its in fact about themselves. Communism for the poor, capitalism for the rich (if they belong to the party)

VOTE TRUMP!



posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: Bobaganoosh


Have I just crossed into an alternate universe?

Here we have none other than Michael Moore giving a speech (audio only) and he gets it. I'll be damned, he freaking gets it.


Not sure why people have a problem with Michael Moore because this guy knows his stuff regardless of whether anyone likes or does not like him. As you said and others, he did nail this here and it is nice to see someone else with brains opening up about the situation. Not everyone may like Trump but the biggest part is, he is the ONLY option to see anything change.

America got its Black president, now we are over that fun moment for black Americans its now time to see something actually done.

Thats in the small chance voting does something.....
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posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 03:08 PM
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originally posted by: CrapAsUsual
a reply to: Indigo5


Have you ever been in a third world country or only saw one on TV?



And then some. Places where simply having a cell phone or driving a beat-up car made you a target and you plan routes dependent on distance to US Embassy in case the day goes south. Places where the "police" are equally as dangerous, if not more so, as local criminals who would kill you for a $40.

Those countries are usually led by different versions of Donald Trumps. Sociopathic narcissists. Admittedly our system of government would hobble him some, but he would still damage our form of government and economy in ways that would take a generation or two to recover from.



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