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From ObamaCARE in 2010 -to- ObamaSCARE in 2013 -to- ObamaSCREW for 2017.

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posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 12:24 AM
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As usual, Donald Trump is in-touch, and on top of the day's news. His response to today's unveiling of the 2017 Obamacare Premiums, Deductibles, and insufficiencies in Medical Networks.

Trump: "It's over for Obamacare" - abcnews.go.com...




posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 12:32 AM
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I've never once signed up for Obama scare and never will. I have never paid any IRS fine either. And never will. If and when they try to say I owe any fine, I'll not file any tax return ever again, since it's optional. Perhaps if Obama hadn't lied through his teeth about what people were going to get by buying into his plan, then maybe, but since everything about Obama care was falsely advertised, it renders it all invalid. No contract. Of course those who tow the Obama line, they just pretend that anything falsely represented just doesn't exist, and they try to enforce the lied about things. I really hate that POS SOB



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 12:35 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

I'm patiently waiting for all the people who condescended to me and were straight up rude when I explained this would happen years ago to apologize. I won't hold my breath. If they weren't smart enough to see through the sham of obama"care" they probably aren't the kind of people who apologize for bad behavior.



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 01:15 AM
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Well, the truth of the matter is the Republicans signed into law when the government was about to shutdown that the government would not underwrite the insurance companies. This is the result.

I was speaking to a Dem today about this and told him the Democrats failed by allowing that to be put into law, but the fact itnwas necessary in the first place shows the law was flawed at inception. There should have been a public option and none of this would be happening. Both sides screwed the pooch.



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: IsntLifeFunny

But it was Democrats that killed off the Public Option.

Remember?




posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 11:52 AM
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Nobody is going to pass the kind of tax increases that would be needed to fund a public option. They only just barely got Obamacare passed, and that was with the Democrats in full control of government.

It's like Bernie Sanders' idea of free college tuition: a hollow promise that sounds good to the rubes. The second you stop to think about it, you realize "Wait a minute! That's going to cost an effin' fortune!"



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 01:57 PM
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originally posted by: Ameilia
a reply to: carewemust

I'm patiently waiting for all the people who condescended to me and were straight up rude when I explained this would happen years ago to apologize. I won't hold my breath. If they weren't smart enough to see through the sham of obama"care" they probably aren't the kind of people who apologize for bad behavior.


You won't receive apologies from Obama supporters, Ameilia. You won't receive any from Hillary supporters either, if she's elected and the U.S.A. suffers because of it.



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 09:00 PM
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originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
Nobody is going to pass the kind of tax increases that would be needed to fund a public option. They only just barely got Obamacare passed, and that was with the Democrats in full control of government.

It's like Bernie Sanders' idea of free college tuition: a hollow promise that sounds good to the rubes. The second you stop to think about it, you realize "Wait a minute! That's going to cost an effin' fortune!"


Hello Andy from my state of birth! Hillary said that she's going to TAX THE RICH an additional $1.4 Trillion dollars, in order to pay for her "Healthcare Reforms", among other things. Don't you believe her?



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 11:32 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
October 24, 2016

For someone who is age 50, Non-Smoker, in the Chicago area for 2017.
Blue Cross - Silver PPO - $7,100 Out-of-Pocket Medical Liability. Premium = $696.00 PER MONTH. ($523.00 This Year. A 25% Increase!)

-CareWeMust


Oops. I made an error in my O.P.. The 2016 Premium is $423 for the 50 year old. NOT $523. Therefore, the percentage increase from 2016 to 2017 is 40% for Chicago area residents. Not 25%.



posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 02:29 PM
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October 27, 2016

Hillary Clinton says "Obamacare is working for consumers" on Friday. On Tuesday in Florida she says, "Trust Me! I'm going to fix Obamacare."

Story: townhall.com...

Hillary is the queen of pandering. I hope not too many Americans still believe what Hillary promises...especially what she promises in PUBLIC.



posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 02:22 AM
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a reply to: lordcomac

You nailed it in so many ways. My family, a while back, purchase the Gold plan from a health insurer. The reason being was that we thought if we fronted a bit more money upfront then we could have comprehensive and "easy" coverage. Boy was I wrong!! It was a complete disaster. We were paying 300+ a month for coverage. When our baby arrived, our child had an issue ten days later that required emergency care. The doctors, nurses, etc.. all said that it was best that our child stayed for overnight observation until the issue subsided. It ended up being that everything was covered except for the in-room hospital stay. The cost of the hospital room for two nights was $8,000, and we were providing the food and changing the diapers! The insurance refused to pay a dime, because they found a loophole to get out of paying. I am wondering are we expected to wear a placard across our chest that states "I have 'xyz' insurance so don't touch me if not in network" if you are experiencing heart failure or having a stroke? It is ridiculous to get saddled with a $8,000 bill and to then get penalized if you drop your insurance coverage because you can't afford the $300+ a month payment to an insurer who won't pay for anything anyways.

My parents paid thousands of dollars to insurance throughout their lives. They hardly ever went to a doctor unless it was for a yearly checkup. Once they hit hard times, insurance was barely there. I would even argue that the stress caused by having to haggle with them may have further exacerbated the condition. I am so burned out by health insurance. I constantly ask myself why I am paying a middleman for doing absolutely nothing. I would rather my money go directly to my care providers each month. At least, in this way, my care providers would have an incentive in wanting to keep my loved ones alive since we would be a source of income for them. Plus, I don't like the divide health insurers cause between the patient and care provider. If the doctor says you need such and such, the patient may disregard because they don't want to have to deal with having to argue with the insurers over pre-authorizations. And honestly, why isn't the money going directly to the people actually doing the work? It is against the law for gas stations to increase prices during a gas shortage, so why is it okay for the medical industry to overcharge for services when you need it the most? It is the most profound exploitation of the vulnerable I can find in this country and that is saying something.

What about health insurance jobs? The people I talked from customer support with my health insurance weren't even American. I even had one rep from India, when I explained the situation to her, even she was like "why the hell do you even bother". Even she thought it was nuts to pay so much for so little in return.

I envision a world where the money I pay to insurance is instead split between my primary care provider and main hospital (everyone who works at the hospital accepts my coverage). If my pcm says I need to see a specialized physician (who is out of network) for a unique ailment, he/she or the office can haggle a favorable price with the specialist's office for me to get treatment. I may have to deal with student physicians observing my treatment, but I am still getting treated.

Not only that, I think it would help if the government was willing to grant a nice interest rate for a hospital (based off the income of the citizen's monthly payments) which would be dependent on the hospital's mortality rate for standard procedures and lack of malpractice suits. While it sounds like socialized medicine, I think for hospitals that it requires a bit of socialization. I think Americans should be able to choose their care providers freely and that physicians should be properly reimbursed for their efforts. But, as a whole, it should be in the government's/tax payer's best interest to keep people healthy (young and old).

A loved one of mine had a very rare melanoma. The specimen was sent off for research, but my loved one was still saddled with a $20,000 bill. There is a lot taking, but there isn't a lot of giving here. The stress of having to owe so much at so late of age is incredibly troubling. If you go on medicaid, you basically have to forfeit anything extra you have ever built in life. It is profoundly unfair. And also, I think the extravagant costs cause some people to just disregard the bills completely. They feel disenfranchised, cheated, and confronted with their own mortality (where possessions don't mean as much).

One of my thoughts has been if we might see a health industry bubble pop. I was thinking about all of that bad debt and whether it was insured or not then I started thinking about the aging baby boomer population. The gov paying for all med bills would completely dismantle and bankrupt this nation. The costs just have to be controlled, and the money just has to go to the right people, imo.




edit on 28-10-2016 by AllinThisTogether16 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 29 2016 @ 12:06 AM
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10/28/2016

In 2010, President Obama proudly proclaimed that the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) would make people healthier, because they'd be more inclined to visit the doctor for checkups, and other preventive tests.

Fast forward to 2016. The reality is...

"Obamacare customers are acting more cost-conscious than other people with insurance — and it could be affecting their health. A new survey finds that 50 percent of people who buy health plans through government-run Obamacare marketplaces say they cut back on getting health care services as they try to manage costs."

Full Story: www.cnbc.com...

Which statements did Obama make about the benefits of the Affordable Care Act, turn out to be true? I can only thing of a couple.



posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 09:18 PM
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October 31, 2016

More government intrusion in our personal lives, in an attempt to SAVE ObamaCare.

Healthy individuals and families who make too much for ObamaCare Subsidies to lower their health insurance premiums ($47,000 Single / $64,000 Couple /$92,000 Family of 4), often times by SHORT TERM MEDICAL (STM) health policies that last for 1 year at a time. They cost 40% to 60% less than "ACA compliant" major medical plans, even with the minor IRS penalty-tax factored in.

Over 1 million individuals and families now have Short Term Medical plans, and due to the huge annual increases in ObamaCare premiums, that number is growing rapidly.

To FORCE people out of Short Term Medical plans and into OBAMACARE, The U.S. Government just decreed that STM policies must be less than 3 months in duration, starting in 2017.

Story: www.bna.com...

This new rule not only reinforces their heavy-handed intrusion in American lives. It also gives a peek at what they will do to force everyone into Government-Run Healthcare if Hillary is our President. They're just getting warmed up.
-cwm



posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 09:29 PM
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What do you call an economic SJW? None of you even have Obamacare. Do you?

Why should you care about higher premiums? This would redirect traffic to private insurance.



posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 10:57 PM
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originally posted by: imjack
What do you call an economic SJW? None of you even have Obamacare. Do you?

Why should you care about higher premiums? This would redirect traffic to private insurance.



What's an SJW? Who are you posing these questions to, ImJack? The forum?



posted on Oct, 31 2016 @ 10:59 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: imjack
What do you call an economic SJW? None of you even have Obamacare. Do you?

Why should you care about higher premiums? This would redirect traffic to private insurance.



What's an SJW? Who are you posing these questions to, ImJack? The forum?


They're mad ObamaCare exists, people could 'just as easily' get private insurance? Why don't they then? None of these people complaining about the increase in costs, ACTUALLY have Obamacare lol. They sure care a lot about the premiums though. Higher premiums would be less subsidized tax right? Is there no middle ground?
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posted on Nov, 3 2016 @ 02:29 PM
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Premiums go up and the subsidies increase to cover those increases...but only to a certain point.

Obamacare is now running into another brick wall. The number of Uninsured in America has plateaued.

Story: www.msn.com...

Those who don't want ObamaCare are not being forced into it, like the government wanted. And, due to increasing premiums and doctors dropping out, many who have Obamacare in 2016 are giving it up at the end of this year.



posted on Nov, 3 2016 @ 02:50 PM
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affordable care act?

i thought it meant that the care provided will be made affordable?

silly me.



posted on Nov, 3 2016 @ 02:59 PM
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There are 6 states that still run their own exchanges. I'm wondering if they're all going to go broke right after the election.



posted on Nov, 3 2016 @ 03:10 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: IsntLifeFunny

But it was Democrats that killed off the Public Option.

Remember?



no it was ONE senator that threatened to filibuster the entire ACA due to the public option (which affectively stops a bill cold)....joe Lieberman (d)...the most conservative democrat in the senate, is the one that killed it.....so to get all the other benefits, the rest had to leave that out.......

of course to know that, you actually have to do some research on the bill itself, and it's formulation. also know how the senate works, and how many time Lieberman has voted with republican senators....but that's too complicated and nuanced for...oh, never mind, you're 8 second attention span is over.
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