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Texas Swapping Equipment - Voting Fraud?

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posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 06:21 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: imitator
It's "spelled out" here:
"Bring one of the following. The ID must be current, or be expired for less than 4 years:

Texas driver license issued by the Department of Public Safety
Texas election ID certificate
Texas personal ID card
Texas license to carry a handgun
US military ID card with your photograph
US citizenship certificate containing your photograph (doesn’t need to be current)
US passport

If you don’t have any of these, you’ll need to (1) sign a sworn statement that there is a reason why you don’t have any of the IDs listed above, and (2) bring one of the following:

Valid voter registration certificate
Certified birth certificate
Current utility bill
Government check
Paystub or bank statement that includes your name and address
Copy of or original government document with your name and an address (original required if it contains a photograph)."

And you have to be a registered voter!


Wait...this end part should also be included:


By mail ID requirements:
ID isn't required to vote by mail




posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 06:30 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: djz3ro

There are states where no ID is required at a polling place, however ID is required in order to register in all states.


This isn't true. You can register in some states, by mail, without showing any ID.

I know for a fact that people in Michigan and Florida can register to vote WITHOUT ID if they claim to be over 65 and/or disabled.

Not that the forms ask a registrant if they are disabled or even verify if they are.

Florida Voter Registration Form: Link

Michigan Voter Registration Form: Link

Both states use the HAVV system to verify voter registrations. And in both states you do not have provide either a driver's license number or the last four digits of a SS#. As long as you check the box that says you don't have either number...you are good to go. And there is no method, in place, to verify the registrant is eligible to vote.


edit on 25-10-2016 by MotherMayEye because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 25 2016 @ 11:57 PM
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And More machines being swapped out in Texas......

It seems it's always several machines being swapped out at these voting locations.

Another large county: Hays County, Texas
South of Austin,

I'm starting to see a pattern here.... looks like they are targeting Trump support locations.

www.youtube.com...




“We came out, we troubleshooted for a little while and it appeared to be a faulty cable connection. We went ahead and checked all the cables, then we changed out the equipment and got it up and running,” said Jennifer Anderson with the Hays County Elections office.


You can tell this lady with the "County Elections office" is lying.... I can see it all over her face.


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posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 12:02 AM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye
A means of verification is required.

New applicants must provide a current and valid Florida driver’s license number (FL DL#) or Florida identification card number (FL ID#). If you do not have a FL DL# or FL ID#, then you must provide the last four digits of your Social Security number (SSN). If you do not have any of these numbers, check “None.” If you leave the field and box blank, your new registration may be denied.

dos.myflorida.com...

If the numbers don't add up, no registration.



posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 07:50 AM
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Heading to the courthouse to vote. This is my first time voting in this county and my father in law claims that we have only ever had paper ballots in this small community. It makes sense considering when I went to witness in a murder trial last year there were not even metal detectors heading into the courthouse.

Any advice on what to watch for this morning?




posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 07:58 AM
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originally posted by: Phage

"New applicants must provide a current and valid Florida driver’s license number (FL DL#) or Florida identification card number (FL ID#). If you do not have a FL DL# or FL ID#, then you must provide the last four digits of your Social Security number (SSN). If you do not have any of these numbers, check “None.” If you leave the field and box blank, your new registration may be denied."



Reread that.

You do NOT have to provide either number. If you don't provide either number, then you can just check the box 'None.'

ONLY if you leave both the field for the numbers AND the check box blank, could your registration be denied.

Check, "None," and you are good to go.

I know. It's hard to believe. But the HAVA makes this provision for people to register to vote.....who do not have either a DL or a SS#.


Here is a screen shot of that portion of the application:



Here are the instructions, again:



From the HAVA:



(ii) SPECIAL RULE FOR APPLICANTS WITHOUT DRIVER’S LICENSE OR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.—If an applicant for voter registration for an election for Federal office has not been issued a current and valid driver’s license or a social security number, the State shall assign the applicant a number which will serve to identify the applicant for voter registration purposes. To the extent that the State has a computerized list in effect under this subsection and the list assigns unique identifying numbers to registrants, the number assigned under this clause shall be the unique identifying number assigned under the list. (iii)

DETERMINATION OF VALIDITY OF NUMBERS PROVIDED.—The State shall determine whether the information provided by an individual is sufficient to meet the requirements of this subparagraph, in accordance with State law.


It's up to Florida to decide if providing NONE of the numbers is sufficient. They decided it's just fine as long as you check the box that says 'None."

Florida uses the HAVV system to verify voters. In other words, if you don't provide a DL# or the last four digits of a SS#, then Florida takes no other action to verify eligibility.

Is it safe to assume that this is a surprise to you?
edit on 26-10-2016 by MotherMayEye because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 08:30 AM
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a reply to: Phage

ALSO, if you list a birthdate that shows you are older than 65...then you don't even need ID to register to vote, by mail, in Florida:



So, without offering any ID and without offering any means to verify a voter even exists or is eligible...a person can register successfully to vote, in Florida.

And....AND...a registrant can provide a totally bogus RESIDENTIAL address -- along with a genuine P.O. Box MAILING address -- and election offices will not get returned mail raising a red flag that the registration is fraudulent:



And, lastly, a person over 65 does not need to provide an ID to vote for the first time (by mail) -- not even if they didn't offer an ID to register:


Link to Florida Voter Guide

Voila! That is how massive voter registration fraud and voter fraud could take place in Florida -- WITHOUT RAISING ANY RED FLAGS, at all.



edit on 26-10-2016 by MotherMayEye because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 08:54 AM
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a reply to: liveandlearn

This is the breaker..... the new software is not specifically changing rep votes to dem votes, its doubling the dem votes, which would also be harder to detect.

I would consider it pretty unrealistic that the numbers would go up that much. Doesnt make any sense.
edit on 26/10/16 by flice because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 09:02 AM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

Omg lol.... what a joke system!! I cant believe this. How the hell can you as citizens allow this to be so #ed up??

Here in Denmark we have paper ballots. We have registration system that causes ballot invitations to be send out to our specific adress. This adress must be updated at all times and is where we live. When election day comes, we bring the invition which has our name, and social sec. written on it along with our matching social sec card so the election offcials can confirm our validity. It takes a mere second, then we are hand the paper ballot and send into the booth where we X down with a non erasable pen our choice and its put into the box.

After closing time members of several parties are present during the count to ensure no fraud is commited.



posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 09:08 AM
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a reply to: flice

I know. The system is so exploitable. It's incredible that so many people don't understand how weak the system is.

Well-designed paper ballots are the only way to go. But the media convinced voters that paper ballots were a mockery because of flaws in punchcard ballots and butterfly ballots, back in 2000.

We were scammed out of secure elections by the two parties and the media.



posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 09:21 AM
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9. Are there any special requirements when voting
for the first time in Florida? (Section 97.0535, Fla. Stat.)
Yes, special identification requirements apply only if you are a first-time voter in the
state and you registered by mail and have not been issued a Florida driver
license number, Florida identification number, or a Social Security number, .
You must provide one of the following forms of identification at the time of
registering or at any time before voting for the first time:
Form containing your name and photo Or, a copy of a current and valid:
 United States passport,
 Debit or credit card,
 Military identification,
 Student identification,
 Retirement center identification,
 Neighborhood association
identification,
 Public assistance Identification,
 Veteran health identification card
issued by the United States
Department of Veteran Affairs,
 Florida license to carry a
concealed weapon or firearm, or
 Employee identification card
issued by any branch,
department, agency, or entity of
the Federal Government, the
state, a county, or a municipality.
 Utility bill
 Bank statement
 Government check or paycheck,
or
 Other government document
containing your name and current
residence address.
Do not send original identification documents to the Supervisor of Elections.
To avoid any potential problems when you go to vote, it is best to submit a copy of
the required identification with the voter registration application form. If you
intend to vote-by-mail and do not provide the required identification beforehand,
you must include a copy of your identification with the returned vote-by-mail ballot
or your ballot will not count.
However, if you fall into one of the following categories, the identification is not
required, but you must swear or affirm under penalty of perjury on your ballot
certificate that you are exempt because you:
 Are 65 years of age or older.
 Have a temporary or permanent physical disability.
 Are a member of the uniformed services on active duty or a spouse ordependent, thereof, who, by reason of such active duty, is absent from the
county on Election Day.
 Are a member of the Merchant Marine or a spouse or dependent thereof,
who, by reason of service in the Merchant Marine, is absent from the county
on Election Day.
 Are residing outside the United States but are eligible to vote in Florida.
If you go to the polls to vote, you must provide a photo and signature ID
before you can vote a regular ballot. This is required of all voters at the polls.



This is the rest of section 9

First, why is 65 the magic number.

And does this mean that it is local election officials ( your neighbor ) committing the fraud? Just going to register you to vote cause you look honest?



posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 09:36 AM
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originally posted by: Homeles

This is the rest of section 9

First, why is 65 the magic number.

And does this mean that it is local election officials ( your neighbor ) committing the fraud? Just going to register you to vote cause you look honest?



You don't have to look like anything. You don't have to even look 65 or older. You can register to vote by mail AND vote by mail, without ID, as long as you swear/affirm that you are over 65. Election workers aren't committing fraud -- the laws are just wide open.

Why 65? I don't know. The magic number is 60 in Michigan.

If I had to venture a guess, someone argued to a court that voter ID laws unfairly disenfranchise the elderly because they *for some reason* can't acquire ID documents as easily.

And if I have to predict what this might mean in the future, someone will argue in a court that only allowing the elderly (and disabled, etc.) to not have to offer ID is discriminatory to everyone else and, one day, no one will be required to offer ID to vote.

ETA: AND, with Florida's huge retirement-age population, no red flags would be raised if masses of fraudulent voter registration applications flooded through the system showing voters who are over 65.
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posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 10:20 AM
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a reply to: MotherMayEyeYou don't have to look like anything. You don't have to even look 65 or older. You can register to vote by mail AND vote by mail, without ID, as long as you swear/affirm that you are over 65. Election workers aren't committing fraud -- the laws are just wide open.

Then why ask for this info if not to verify who this person is?

Would 65 be becasue of retirement age ? And 60 in the other state because of pensions?
Both cases have to have proof of exsistence.



posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: Homeles
a reply to: MotherMayEyeYou don't have to look like anything. You don't have to even look 65 or older. You can register to vote by mail AND vote by mail, without ID, as long as you swear/affirm that you are over 65. Election workers aren't committing fraud -- the laws are just wide open.

Then why ask for this info if not to verify who this person is?

Would 65 be becasue of retirement age ? And 60 in the other state because of pensions?
Both cases have to have proof of exsistence.



I don't know why they don't require any other means to verify or how those precise ages were determined. But, it obviously creates a hole in the system that can be exploited without raising any red flags.



posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 10:48 AM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye
13. How can I request a vote-by-mail ballot?
(Sections 101.62 and 101.69, Fla. Stat.)
You, or if directed by you, a member of your immediate family or your legal
guardian, may request a vote-by-mail ballot from your Supervisor of Elections.
If you make the request, you must disclose:
 Your name;
 Your address; and
 Your date of birth;
If your immediate family member or legal guardian requests the ballot for
you, he or she must provide the following additional information:
 The requester's name;
 The requester's address
 The requester's driver license number, if available;
 The requester's relationship to the voter; and,
 The requester's signature (written request only).
The request can be made either in person, by mail, by fax, by phone, by
email or online through the Supervisor of Elections’ website. If you do not
otherwise specify which election, one request serves as a request to receive an
vote-by-mail ballot in all elections (for which you are eligible to vote) occurring
from the date of the initial request through the end of the calendar year
following the second ensuing regularly scheduled general election.
The deadline to request that a vote-by- ballot be mailed to you is 5 p.m. on the
sixth day before the election. Vote-by-mail ballots will be mailed by non-
forwardable mail to the voter’s current mailing address on file or any other
address specified by the voter in the request. If you ask that the ballot be
mailed to an address other than one on file, you have to submit a signed written
request unless you are an absent uniformed services voter or an overseas

Vote by mail also requires you to identify who you are regardless of age.



posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 10:57 AM
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a reply to: Homeles

Well, yeah, you have to give a voter's name to request a mail in ballot -- but you do not have to provide ID:

Link to mail-in ballot request form


Also, you do NOT have to provide ID, if you are over 65, to mail in your vote, in Florida:



Link to Florida Voter Guide

ETA: And, again, I outlined how a person could invent a 'voter' and fraudulently register to vote without ID here: Link to comment
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posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 11:03 AM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

Adress and dob also. Not an official physical state id but it identifies who you are. Regardless of age.



posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 11:12 AM
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originally posted by: Homeles
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Adress and dob also. Not an official physical state id but it identifies who you are. Regardless of age.


I don't think you understand. Florida does not verify voters' RESIDENCE ADDRESSES. And they do not verify DATE OF BIRTH if the applicant does not offer either a Driver's License number or the last four digits of a Social Security number.

Florida verifies its voters through their State Driver's License number or with the HAVV system which checks the Social Security database for matches.

That's it. If a voter doesn't provide either number, and they don't have to...there is no alternate system to verify their eligibility.

The only other way that election offices could be alerted to a fraudulently registered voter (that didn't provide a DL# or SS#), is if mail were returned because a bogus RESIDENCE ADDRESS was used.

HOWEVER, voter registrant applicants may offer a MAILING ADDRESS, too, which is different from their *bogus* RESIDENCE ADDRESS -- it can even be a PO Box -- and mail would never be returned 'undeliverable' and alert election offices to fraudulently registered voters.




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posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 11:35 AM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

So if Florida doesnt verify this info;even though property taxes/records, birth records are at their disposal; then wouldnt Florida be the one comitting the fraud? And why the 45 day grace period?

And if it so rampant, voter fraud, why hasnt anything been done about it?



posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye


So, without offering any ID and without offering any means to verify a voter even exists or is eligible...a person can register successfully to vote, in Florida.
The name must be matched to the last four digits of the SSN.
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