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The Demonic Laws of the Christian God

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posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 05:23 PM
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a reply to: coomba98

It just amazes me that people who don't believe the Bible to be true will often quote the Bible which they don't believe to support something they want to be true.

But if it is not true and you don't believe the Bible to be true, then why are you quoting the Bible?

It seems a bit hypocritical don't you think?

I don't see any demonic laws in the Preserved word of God the Holy Bible.

I do see demonic beings being spoken of and rebukes and exorcised but not one law of the Holy Bible is demonic. My bible actually calls these beings devils and escorts of evil, they are the only ones with bird wings.
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posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: DISRAELI

It is called the law of Liberty

James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Faith is simple it is not a big thing. Even Jesus said if you had faith of a mustard seed you could move a mountain. My salvation was by faith in Jesus Christ, his death on the cross in my place that paid the price I owed for sin because God declaired

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
My faith is in his resurrection which gave me a new life in Christ and I became a new man, a new creation and I was justified

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Ga 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Ro 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Ro 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Ro 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

And by his work I was imputed Christs righteousness, forgiven of all my sin, and by Grace I have the power no longer to sin.

Ro 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


No law needed as a Christian and our life is a life of faith.
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posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 06:01 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
It is called the law of Liberty

Quite so. The OP is trying to criticise something that doesn't exist (Moses-obeying Christianity), so he's got to force it into existence before he can criticise it. An elaborate contrivance without any real purpose.


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posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 06:11 PM
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Hay Chester,

Like i said it matters not what i believe its what others believe. If its true to some then lets talk.

When i use the word demonic i dont mean demons, just that its really really wrong.

Regarding the laws.

John 7:19
Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keeps the law?

Yeshi himself said this!

Now Christians dont follow these demonic laws because of the evolution of human morality.

Humans not god, knows these things are wrong, and that is why Christians cherry pick what fits within their own personal moral code.

And throw out or make excuses for the evil laws.

Coomba98
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posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 06:18 PM
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You can't make truth out of that which you don't believe is true.

But let me remind who that law is for

Mal 4:4 ¶ Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
It was for the Jews in their land and the stranger that wanted to live in their land.

The law was not just the ten commandments.
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posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 06:58 PM
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Chester,

It matters not what I think is true its what others think is true. How many theists give their theist opinion on science stuff and throw away the actual science?

Regarding jewish laws for jews.... this is wrong within the context of Christianity.

Christians hold high the genesis book and the ten commandments. As well as a plethora of OT material.

The NT is an extension of the OT, laws and all.

If not where does Yeshi say that daddy and he got it wrong?

Coomba98
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posted on Oct, 26 2016 @ 08:55 PM
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Hay Chester,

Jesus is the Messiah that the Jews had been anticipating for centuries (see Luke 2:25; 3:15).

As such, He was born into a Jewish family and was reared according to Jewish law in a Jewish town (see Luke 2:27; Galatians 4:4). Jesus selected Jewish disciples, spoke in Jewish synagogues and the Jewish temple, and traveled mostly in Jewish areas.

His mission, in fulfillment of the Jewish prophets, was to the Jewish people. However, none of this means that Jesus’ ministry was limited exclusively to the Jews.

Another confirmation he followed the laws and ways of the OT.

Coomba98



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 01:31 AM
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Jesus is the Messiah that the Jews had been anticipating for centuries


No actually he wasn't... he was fully rejected by the jews, and not just the two ruling classes

Some actually had an idea of what he was teaching but most didn't have a clue... which actually included his direct followers in many situations


The NT is an extension of the OT, laws and all.

If not where does Yeshi say that daddy and he got it wrong?


Take a look at the "laws" you've given... IF any of said "laws" do not involve love/kindness/respect... they were not part of his mission... pretty simple really

The "law" VS The way...


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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 01:54 AM
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Hay digger,

Were talking Christianity here not Judaism. So to the Christians he is.

Love??? Only to thoughs who loved him. Didnt he say turn the other cheek???

Luke 19:27
27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Matthew 10:34
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

What a loving bloke.

He abided by jewish law which was the OT law.

Coomba98



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 02:02 AM
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Hay digger,


lol... whadup


Were talking Christianity here not Judaism. So to the Christians he is.


Well "Christianity" wasn't a thing while he was around... so


Love??? Only to thoughs who loved him. Didnt he say turn the other cheek???


Of course...


Luke 19:27
27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.


This verse is part of a parable...


Matthew 10:34
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.


Right... no issue there


]What a loving bloke.

He abided by jewish law which was the OT law.


Except IF one law is changed or broken... whats the point of "the law"?

And he did both... lol




posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 02:19 AM
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Hay Akragon.

Wish i had my new pc so i can quote individual parts of your post. Feels primative not being able to. Meh ohh well.

It matters not whether Christianity was around then or not. Were talking within the context of Christianity and the laws Yeshi followed.

How do you know Luke 19:27 is a parable?

On the next part of your post.. where did he change the laws (with an s ) of the OT?

Coomba98

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Ok just read Luke 19:27. And agree its a parable.
I cross that out of my argument
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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 02:31 AM
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It matters not whether Christianity was around then or not. Were talking within the context of Christianity and the laws Yeshi followed.


those are two separate issues my friend...


How do you know Luke 19:27 is a parable?


Luke 19
11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

etc etc...

it helps to read the chapter...



On the next part of your post.. where did he change the laws (with an s ) of the OT?


Sabbath law.. Dietary law... punishment of adultry... theres quite a few...




posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 02:32 AM
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Hay Akragon

Ahhgh just edited my post and saw yours. Beat me to it.

What about the demonic laws?

Coomba98

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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 02:35 AM
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Ok on my way home from work now which is reading time. Gotta get through this book and the next as Blood Mirror came out today woot woot

Coomba98



posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 02:36 AM
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originally posted by: coomba98
a reply to: Akragon

Hay Akragon

Ahhgh just edited my post and saw yours. Beat me to it.

What about the demonic laws?

Coomba98


Truly uncalled for and wrong... but again, this isn't Gods writing... written by men in a time we barely understand...

Jesus was a revolutionary... and probably the coolest guy that ever walked this planet




posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 04:58 AM
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Akragon,

Whats uncalled for?

If its the demonic laws part thats the point of this thread. Mainly towards Christians, but happy for half believers like yourself to join the discussion.
(Dont take that the wrong way as it is not ment be. Your a cool bloke Akragon.)

Two questions for ya digger.

1. If you don't believe the OT is valid, then what about the many references Yeshi make?

2. If you believe the OT isn't Gods writing and written by men in a time we barely understand, what makes you think the NT isnt the same?

Coomba98
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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 05:01 AM
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If you don't believe the OT is valid then what about the many references Yeshi makes?


Well he was brought up a jew... what else should he reference?


If you believe the OT isn't Gods writing and written by men in a time we barely understand, what makes you think the NT isnt the same?


Nothing...

Except those 4 books... also written by men but just... different




posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 05:08 AM
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Akragon,

So in your belief is he the Messiah of the jews? The one foretold in the OT? Or someone different?

Dont you believe in that manuscript in the Nag Hammadi library? Arr what was it again... Apocryphon of John?

Bloody good read that one!

Coomba98
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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 05:15 AM
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So in your beliefs was he the Messiah of the jews? The one foretold in the OT? Or someone different?


not my beliefs... more like from the religion that spawned Christianity

Jesus actually didn't qualify as "Their messiah"...

Personally i think he was THE MAN...


Dont you believe in that book in the Nag Hammadi library? Arr what was it again... Apocryphon of John?


to some extent... in that it likely has the best description of God

Gnostic writing is nothing more then a mystery... Christianity takes it as whole sale Heretical writing... i don't buy it... mainly because most of what has been written about gnostic's is from hostile witnesses... and almost all of said writings were destroyed...


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posted on Oct, 27 2016 @ 05:29 AM
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Akragon,

Ok im on my phone and its killing me not to quote. So ill put your response in italics.

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not my beliefs... more like from the religion that spawned Christianity
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Um... Ok so what do you make of Yeshi's references to OT material?

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Jesus actually didn't qualify as "Their messiah".
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True dat!!

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Personally i think he was THE MAN..
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Lol that has been obvious since before i came to ATS, when i was trying the waters.

Ok your last part is about the gnostic stuff. Its a bit ambiguous what your saying.

You dont like it cause the Christians dont? Or because they do?

Coomba98
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